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[quote=mooby;770831]Boy does everybody really think we don't have a 2nd this year because of the McNabb trade? We gave them our 2nd from last year, which turned into Nate Allen for Philly.[/quote]

I know LOL I just forgot all about it man..

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[quote=Ruhskins;770799]For an Arizona or Minnesota it would have made sense, not for a team like ours who was rebuilding.[/quote]

It doesn't make sense to rebuild with a veteran QB?

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[quote=theJBexperience;770830]Locker should be a safety, not a QB. I'm with you on Mallet.[/quote]

Yea but they said the same about Tebow and he's already got 2 TDs in his first start, Yes Tebow is better than Locker but some actually think Jake will be a good qb

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id rather draft a qb in the 2nd round or later to develop for a year or 2. i dont like jake locker much and im not sure mallett would be a good fit here. not too mobile.

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[quote=Big C;770835]id rather draft a qb in the 2nd round or later to develop for a year or 2. i dont like jake locker much and im not sure mallett would be a good fit here. not too mobile.[/quote]

When do these second round QB's work out? Drafting a QB in the second round is a protective projection. The last quality second round QB was Drew Brees and he was drafted 32nd overall which today would qualify as a first round pick, and before that it was Brett Favre.

These days if you're lucky you get a second round QB thats on par with Chad Henne. Basically the best QB's come from either the first round or random spots late in the draft and you don't bank on those guys because if you're dense enough to do that you end up with Troy Smith as your franchise QB

At the very least scouts are good at identifying the best QB prospects year in and year out which is usually why they're all gone by the time the second round rolls around. If we're going to draft a real QB of the future we're going to do it right and take one in the first round.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770833]It doesn't make sense to rebuild with a veteran QB?[/quote]

It doesn't make sense to trade away picks for anything short term with regards to a rebuild. You're looking for long term gems when rebuilding and you build around those guys. You make trades for vets after establishing a solid core of guys to build around, like the Jets and Baltimore did.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770833]It doesn't make sense to rebuild with a veteran QB?[/quote]

I think that at the beginning of this season, Shanahan wanted to see if he could win right away, and hoped that McNabb would hold down the QB job for a season or 2 while another long-term QB was found.

I think McNabb was too old (34 years old), to be figured into a long-term equation, and which is why i was baffled at the contract extension that they gave donovan, before i learned that Washington had an out after 1 season..

Rex Grossman was pretty damn good today. 4 TD's from a Redskins QB is pretty good this season, and if Rex keeps it up, i think the Redskins have their starter for a few years...

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[quote=Beemnseven;770833]It doesn't make sense to rebuild with a veteran QB?[/quote]

Not when you're giving up two draft picks. Yes a veteran would have been great, but we had to gamble and give up draft picks that we could have used to address other issues while rebuilding.

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Cant really be mad for the last pick. There were 13 seconds left with no timeouts and nowhere near field goal range. No chance to throw the ball down the middle of the field and clock it. Just not enough time left when they started that drive w/ no timeouts. Grossman made our offense look like it belonged in the NFL, doesnt make McNabb look very good. He will be on the Vikings or Cardinals or something next season. Know what i liked about this game? We didnt have to watch the typical 5 dirt balls thrown at the feet of open receivers by #5.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770818]Kellen Moore is a 2012 5th round pick at best. AJ Green is a top 5 pick.[/quote]

Maybe so due to his size. The kid reminds me of Drew Brees, I think he's going to be a good pro. As for Green, most of the teams who'll be drafting in front of us don't need a receiver. I can't see Det, AZ, SF, Carolina, Bengals, taking him. The only team that worries me is Buffalo. With the way they've been playing they might end up 6-10.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770839]When do these second round QB's work out? Drafting a QB in the second round is a protective projection. The last quality second round QB was Drew Brees and he was drafted 32nd overall which today would qualify as a first round pick, and before that it was Brett Favre.

These days if you're lucky you get a second round QB thats on par with Chad Henne. Basically the best QB's come from either the first round or random spots late in the draft and you don't bank on those guys because if you're dense enough to do that you end up with Troy Smith as your franchise QB

At the very least scouts are good at identifying the best QB prospects year in and year out which is usually why they're all gone by the time the second round rolls around. If we're going to draft a real QB of the future we're going to do it right and take one in the first round.[/quote]

Good post

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;770840]It doesn't make sense to trade away picks for anything short term with regards to a rebuild. You're looking for long term gems when rebuilding and you build around those guys. You make trades for vets after establishing a solid core of guys to build around, like the Jets and Baltimore did.[/quote]

[quote=Ruhskins]Not when you're giving up two draft picks. Yes a veteran would have been great, but we had to gamble and give up draft picks that we could have used to address other issues while rebuilding.[/quote]


I don't like trading away picks any more than the next guy, but I don't fault the idea of bringing in a veteran, pro bowl-type QB who a solid majority figured could play for a good three more seasons.

It's not written in stone that you rebuild with unproven rookies at all 22 positions.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770849]Good post[/quote]

Colt McCoy.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;770852]Colt McCoy.[/quote]

Lets wait on Colt, he looks decent but not yet sold on him

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[quote=Beemnseven;770850]I don't like trading away picks any more than the next guy, but I don't fault the idea of bringing in a veteran, pro bowl-type QB who a solid majority figured could play for a good three more seasons.

It's not written in stone that you rebuild with unproven rookies at all 22 positions.[/quote]

Still, our team is up the sh*t creek because and our coach gambled two picks on a QB that has gotten benched twice this season.

O line looked good the second half. That's your difference, always is with the skins. If they play like that next year with Trent Williams being a year older, draft another stud lineman in the early rounds and you can stick Danny Wuerful back there and win.

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[quote=Ruhskins;770855]Still, our team is up the sh*t creek because and our coach gambled two picks on a QB that has gotten benched twice this season.[/quote]

But was it a gamble worth taking? That's the question. Only now, with the benefit of hindsight do we know the answer.

If McNabb lights it up, plays in Hawaii for a year or two, and guides an infusion of young guys through the rebuilding process on the way to a playoff appearance here and there, the two draft picks you expended don't look so bad. Hell, if he turns in a performance a knotch or two below that it would have been worth the price.

Needless to say, McNabb didn't have anything close to that left in the tank, and Shanahan overestimated him, like many, many others.

I don't like the end result by any means but I'm not going to put Shanahan in front of the firing squad for it either.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770857]But was it a gamble worth taking? That's the question. Only now, with the benefit of hindsight do we know the answer.

If McNabb lights it up, plays in Hawaii for a year or two, and guides an infusion of young guys through the rebuilding process on the way to a playoff appearance here and there, the two draft picks you expended don't look so bad. Hell, if he turns in a performance a knotch or two below that it would have been worth the price.

Needless to say, McNabb didn't have anything close to that left in the tank, and Shanahan overestimated him, like many, many others.

I don't like the end result by any means but I'm not going to put Shanahan in front of the firing squad for it either.[/quote]

Great, glad you think it was worth the gamble. When MS brought McNabb, my first thoughts were, great he wants to win right away, I'm sure some people thought the same way.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770853]Lets wait on Colt, he looks decent but not yet sold on him[/quote]

While I'm not 100% sold on Colt, I'm about 99.9%:) He finished with a 132 QB rating today. He's performing really well under the circumstances. He's only going to get better once he's complimented with some playmakers. Hillis and Cribbs is a very good start though.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770857]But was it a gamble worth taking? That's the question. Only now, with the benefit of hindsight do we know the answer.

If McNabb lights it up, plays in Hawaii for a year or two, and guides an infusion of young guys through the rebuilding process on the way to a playoff appearance here and there, the two draft picks you expended don't look so bad. Hell, if he turns in a performance a knotch or two below that it would have been worth the price.

Needless to say, McNabb didn't have anything close to that left in the tank, and Shanahan overestimated him, like many, many others.

I don't like the end result by any means but I'm not going to put Shanahan in front of the firing squad for it either.[/quote]
Horrid short and intermediate game, mobility on the decline, inflated stats thanks to DeSean Jackson, the signs were there. Hell, my optimism for him was only because I thought we were going to have the ZBS working right away, not because he was a Brady. Tripp saw it coming.

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shanny seemed to be really pleased with Rex today

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Listening to the post game interviews...Moss, Cooley, Fletcher, etc
It does not sound like a locker room.......divided.

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[quote=Hog1;770865]Listening to the post game interviews...Moss, Cooley, Fletcher, etc
It does not sound like a locker room.......divided.[/quote]

Thats always Bullshit going around, Shanny apparently likes Rex alot

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Eagles were trying to move DM5 for a top 15 pick and a 3rd so...we stole him?

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Moss sounded like he was happy to play with Grossman

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[quote=SmootSmack;770868]Eagles were trying to move DM5 for a top 15 pick and a 3rd so...we stole him?[/quote]

I'd say yes if thats what they really asked for

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FOUR for FOUR in the RED zone....WTF

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In other news, according to NFL.com Ryan Torain leads in fantasy football ownership trends -- up 24%.

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Okay, let's start playing the what if game. I'll go first...

WHAT IF, Cam Newton somehow falls to the Redskins who will probably have a top 10 pick. Do you take him??

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770839]When do these second round QB's work out? Drafting a QB in the second round is a protective projection. The last quality second round QB was Drew Brees and he was drafted 32nd overall which today would qualify as a first round pick, and before that it was Brett Favre.

These days if you're lucky you get a second round QB thats on par with Chad Henne. Basically the best QB's come from either the first round or random spots late in the draft and you don't bank on those guys because if you're dense enough to do that you end up with Troy Smith as your franchise QB

At the very least scouts are good at identifying the best QB prospects year in and year out which is usually why they're all gone by the time the second round rolls around. If we're going to draft a real QB of the future we're going to do it right and take one in the first round.[/quote]

i could counter and say who was the last 1st round qb that we drafted to make it? jason campbell? patrick ramsey? heath schuler? we havent done a good job at all at drafting qbs high the few times we have.

my basic point is that id rather draft a different position in the first round and get a guy to develop behind whoever our starter is, whether it be in the second round or later. im really not sold on anyone but luck as an elite qb this year, and hes only a redshirt sophomore this year.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770873]In other news, according to NFL.com Ryan Torain leads in fantasy football ownership trends -- up 24%.[/quote]

That's because he helped me get to the championship game this week!!!! ATV!!

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It's going to be an interesting dilemma with the draft next year.

According to Ourlads Scouting Director Dan Shonka, who was on our local sports radio show last week, he says there aren't ANY quality offensive linemen coming up in the top ten of the draft next year. Not a good year for the guys up front, apparently.

Apart from O-line, out next biggest needs would be D-line and QB.

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[quote=SkinzWin;770874]Okay, let's start playing the what if game. I'll go first...

WHAT IF, Cam Newton somehow falls to the Redskins who will probably have a top 10 pick. Do you take him??[/quote]


One thing that Shannahan said on Friday struck me. He said "If there was a young DM5 out there that would be great" or something to that effect. To me it sounded like he was alluding to Cam Newton. However I'm positive Jake Locker will be available too. This is going to be an interesting draft. Now what if AJ Green is available? Do we take him or no?

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[quote=Shadowbyte;770892]One thing that Shannahan said on Friday struck me. He said "If there was a young DM5 out there that would be great" or something to that effect. To me it sounded like he was alluding to Cam Newton. However I'm positive Jake Locker will be available too. This is going to be an interesting draft. [B]Now what if AJ Green is available? Do we take him or no?[/B][/quote]

I would hope we have learned from that as we should be drafting very high Top 10, NO to AJ Green!

Here is what Shanny said:

"I've got to find where Rex Grossman is, where John Beck is. I want a chance to evaluate these guys," Shanahan said. "I told Donovan that there's nothing he could do in the three games that would influence me over what he's done over the last 13 games. I said, 'I'm not sure what I'm going to do in the college draft, if we're able to get the top quarterback in the draft, if there was a young Donovan McNabb or maybe a Sam Bradford, someone like that.' There's a lot of possibilities."

With our situation or lack there of at the QB position.....that is the foundation of any team address that need with the very best QB available. Something we have not had under Dans watch a franchise QB. Not a used up has been like dmac another failure, experiment.

Today was a job well done in the second half by Rex and the offense. The D and special teams were horrible. As we have several holes on all three phases of football on this current club, IMO you have to go after a QB at this point. Fill some holes and hope to be competitive for the next few years while the rebuilding is underway.

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[quote=Beemnseven;770878]It's going to be an interesting dilemma with the draft next year.

According to Ourlads Scouting Director Dan Shonka, who was on our local sports radio show last week, he says there aren't ANY quality offensive linemen coming up in the top ten of the draft next year. Not a good year for the guys up front, apparently.

Apart from O-line, out next biggest needs would be D-line and QB.[/quote]

wide receiver is up there with o-line and d-line. we also need another rush outside linebacker to help take pressure off of orakpo. justin blackmon would be a great pick in the first round depending on where we end up. maybe ricky stanzi in the 4th or 5th round.

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Keep Grossman and sign him to a 1 year extension for next season to see how he plays in a full year. Would use either the 1st or 2nd round pick to get a solid offensive lineman. Then all the other picks take the best players available regardless of position. There isnt a position where we dont need help. Might even be good to trade back in the 1st round and try to collect more picks. We need players.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;770898]Keep Grossman and sign him to a 1 year extension for next season to see how he plays in a full year.[B] Would use either the 1st or 2nd round pick to get a solid offensive lineman[/B]. Then all the other picks take the best players available regardless of position. There isnt a position where we dont need help. Might even be good to trade back in the 1st round and try to collect more picks. We need players.[/quote]

What 2nd round pick...? Eagles/dmac

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;770901]What 2nd round pick...? Eagles/dmac[/quote]

We have the 2nd rounder for 2011. What we lost was the pick that was eventually used on Nate Allen.

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I talked to a former scout the other day who said "Locker's a great fit for a west coast offense. Reminds me a lot of McNabb" I kinda had to laugh

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;770898]Keep Grossman and sign him to a 1 year extension for next season to see how he plays in a full year. Would use either the 1st or 2nd round pick to get a solid offensive lineman. Then all the other picks take the best players available regardless of position. There isnt a position where we dont need help. Might even be good to trade back in the 1st round and try to collect more picks. We need players.[/quote]

trade back would definitely be the best option, but easier said than done, as usual.