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I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is[B] scared a real black man will run against Obama[/B].
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.
exactly what does this mean? as opposed to a fake black man?

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[quote=12thMan;852508]I generally don't obsess over polls this far out, but one released today shows President Obama leading all GOP candidates in Arizona. The last time a Dem won the state was in 1952.

If that trend holds for another month or two, Republicans will be in full blown panic mode.[/quote]No worries until after the GOP settles on a nominee.

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[quote=dmek25;852539]I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is[B] scared a real black man will run against Obama[/B].
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.
exactly what does this mean? as opposed to a fake black man?[/quote]Cain and Obama can debate their "realness" if Cain wins the nomination.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;852547]Cain and Obama can debate their "realness" if Cain wins the nomination.[/quote]

For what it's worth, Cain is blacker.

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if reps want to win, they've got to dial down the crazy and stop saying stupid things.

Cain and Perry and Bachman are all jokes. They don't know what they're doing and are completely unqualified.

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[quote=12thMan;852557]For what it's worth, Cain is blacker.[/quote]

There are white people blacker than Herman Cain. He can claim to be whatever he wants but when it come time to nut-up he soiled himself. I will take the half-black inner city community organizer who's lacking authentic black experience upbring thank you.

[URL="http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/morehouse-man-cain-divides-1210462.html"]Morehouse man Cain divides alums, students *| ajc.com[/URL]


Disgraceful.

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And Cain's authentically black conservative closet is filled skeletons. Perfect timing for halloween. This is going to be fun to see unfold...to deny or to no comment, that is the question.

[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html]Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com[/url]

Lady Karma comes through once again.

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[quote=saden1;853181]There are white people blacker than Herman Cain. He can claim to be whatever he wants but when it come time to nut-up he soiled himself. I will take the half-black inner city community organizer who's lacking authentic black experience upbring thank you.

[URL="http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/morehouse-man-cain-divides-1210462.html"]Morehouse man Cain divides alums, students *| ajc.com[/URL]


Disgraceful.[/quote]

Wow, it almost sounds like when it comes to who you would “take” (or I guess vote for), if between Cain and Obama, you would base it off of the person’s political ideology, and not just based off of how black they are…. What a novel idea, voting for someone [I]not [/I]based off of the color of their skin.

I read the Morehouse atile and didn’t see anything disgraceful in it, can you calirfiy? Also what do you mean when you say there are white people blacker than Cain? Do you not consider black conservitives, black?

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[quote=saden1;854110]And Cain's authentically black conservative closet is filled skeletons. Perfect timing for halloween. This is going to be fun to see unfold...to deny or to no comment, that is the question.

[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html"]Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com[/URL]

Lady Karma comes through once again.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Whats interesting to me is that so much credence is already being giving to a third party unnamed source. Its weird that when the stories broke of Obama being gay and connected to Larry Sinclair, the reports were largely dismissed by major media outlets, even though the sources were named and firsthand accounts.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]
Perhaps Cain was involved in a sexual harassment allegation suit, who knows. I bet any settlement for alleged harassment would be with the agreement to remain silent. So like Obama’s gay sex and drug allegations we should take Cain’s harrasement allegations with a grain of salt. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;854167]Wow, it almost sounds like when it comes to who you would “take” (or I guess vote for), if between Cain and Obama, you would base it off of the person’s political ideology, and not just based off of how black they are…. What a novel idea, voting for someone [I]not [/I]based off of the color of their skin.

I read the Morehouse atile and didn’t see anything disgraceful in it, can you calirfiy? Also what do you mean when you say there are white people blacker than Cain? Do you not consider black conservitives, black?[/quote]




Did you read the article, especially the end? You really don't get what's disgraceful? Well, it's claiming Obama is not authentically black and fawning over Dr. Martin Luther King admirably in speech after speech but when it came time to participate in the marches, protests, and civil disobedience with MLK and 99% of your peers for your civil rights you chose to stay home and obey Jim Crow laws.

Yeah, if we are going to talk who is blacker there's something to be said for Jewish and White civil rights advocates who marched and helped get us to where we are today being blacker.

Herman Cain, a successful conservative "black" business man, civil rights free rider, and apparently a sexual harasser.

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[quote=saden1;854110]And Cain's authentically black conservative closet is filled skeletons. Perfect timing for halloween. This is going to be fun to see unfold...to deny or to no comment, that is the question.

[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html"]Exclusive: 2 women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior - Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman and Anna Palmer and Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com[/URL]

Lady Karma comes through once again.[/quote]

Funny the left seems to accuse all conservative blak men of this. Bunch of raciest.

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[quote=firstdown;854197]Funny the left seems to accuse all conservative blak men of this. Bunch of raciest.[/quote]


I don't remember J. C. Watts being accused. It's not racist when it isn't a black or white thing, believing it to be is racist. Then again, there aren't many black conservatives to have a sizable statistics pool to make a fair assessment of the left's racism towards black conservatives.

Sexual deviance knows know color.

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[quote=saden1;854217]I don't remember J. C. Watts being accused. It's not racist when it isn't a black or white thing, believing it to be is racist. Then again, there aren't many black conservatives to have a sizable statistics pool to make a fair assessment of the left's racism towards black conservatives.

Sexual deviance knows know color.[/quote]

The left set the standard for calling someone Racist so I'm just going by their standards.

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[quote=firstdown;854222]The left set the standard for calling someone Racist so I'm just going by their standards.[/quote]

If two black conservatives being accused by women of sexual misconduct is enough for you to form a standard be my guest. Perhaps you can also share the standard you have set for Mark Stanford and David Vitter.

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I'm just having fun watching the left attack Cain after they called everyone racist for saying anything negative about Obama.

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Have as much fun as you want but last I checked the primary authors of the article [URL="http://www.politico.com/reporters/JonathanMartin.html"]Jonathan Martin[/URL] and [URL="http://www.politico.com/reporters/MaggieHaberman.html"]Maggie Haberman[/URL] hardly qualify as the left.

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[quote=saden1;854190]Did you read the article, especially the end? You really don't get what's disgraceful? Well, it's claiming Obama is not authentically black and fawning over Dr. Martin Luther King admirably in speech after speech but when it came time to participate in the marches, protests, and civil disobedience with MLK and 99% of your peers for your civil rights you chose to stay home and obey Jim Crow laws.

Yeah, if we are going to talk who is blacker there's something to be said for Jewish and White civil rights advocates who marched and helped get us to where we are today being blacker.

Herman Cain, a successful conservative "black" business man, civil rights free rider, and apparently a sexual harasser.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So a short part of the article says that he wasn’t involved in the civil rights movement makes him disgraceful in your eyes? Both people that talk about him say he was respected, and although not part of student affairs that he was well liked. Cain has himself alluded to dealing with a family illness during that time. And the 99% is a quote from a former student that seems more like a generalized statement that most Morehouse students participated, not that 99% literally did based off of anything besides his generalization. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We are both too young to have been able to make decision to know if we would have participated in the Civil Rights movement had it happened during our day and time. I would like to think that I would have been involved, as im sure you do too. But it’s a lot easier to say that in retrospect then to have actually been there see some of the horrible things happening in real time and still get up to act. So as much as you or I can call someone out for not participating I don’t think either of have a right to. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I look at it for what it is. Cain was involved with a family illness, which we can do nothing but speculate the circumstances of. Maybe it was his mom’s dying wish that he not be involved, maybe his 3rd cousin had a cold and Herman needed to bring him soup. Either way neither of us know enough to call his actions during that time disgraceful, by any means. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A couple thoughts now that this Herman Cain alleged sexual harassment is full blown news.….[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is a 3rd party account with no named sources[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The details of what Cain is accused of doing wont even be released [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It seems very coincidental that this story comes out the day before hes supposed to address the National Press Club [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]4) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yesterday a Iowa poll showed Cain in 1st. This particular poll was viewed as a true barometer for the legitimacy of Cain nomination chances[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So Politico comes out with a story that is unsourced and without details but is sure to smear Cain ‘s name at a important time for him. Lets just say Cain was accused of “sexually suggestive behavior”, not name our sources or reveal any of the alleged details no matter how horrible or how innocent they may be, and lead it up to the public to imagine whatever they want…… That’s just great journalism right there. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;854297][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A couple thoughts now that this Herman Cain alleged sexual harassment is full blown news.….[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is a 3rd party account with no named sources[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The details of what Cain is accused of doing wont even be released [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It seems very coincidental that this story comes out the day before hes supposed to address the National Press Club [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]4) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yesterday a Iowa poll showed Cain in 1st. This particular poll was viewed as a true barometer for the legitimacy of Cain nomination chances[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So Politico comes out with a story that is unsourced and without details but is sure to smear Cain ‘s name at a important time for him. Lets just say Cain was accused of “sexually suggestive behavior”, not name our sources or reveal any of the details no matter how horrible or how innocent they may be, and lead it up to the public to imagine whatever they want…… That’s just great journalism right there. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Looks like Cain is getting swift-boated there.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854302]Looks like Cain is getting swift-boated there.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That what it seems like. I guess Cain should be proud since its kind of a political milestone. I guess hes now a legitimate contender. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Nothing more than internal Republican politicos (no pun intended) trying to throw Cain off message and knock him down a notch. Dems have nothing to gain by leaking this story before the GOP has chosen it's nominee, so I think it was someone within conservative circles. Rove, Kristol, Perry camp. Take your pick.

These scandals usually gain traction when there's a name or face attached to said scandal. In this case you have neither, so to the extent that Cain can make the media appear to be more interested in tabloid stories rather than the economy, I think he survives and keeps on trucking.

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[quote=mlmpetert;854295][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So a short part of the article says that he wasn’t involved in the civil rights movement makes him disgraceful in your eyes? Both people that talk about him say he was respected, and although not part of student affairs that he was well liked. Cain has himself alluded to dealing with a family illness during that time. And the 99% is a quote from a former student that seems more like a generalized statement that most Morehouse students participated, not that 99% literally did based off of anything besides his generalization. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We are both too young to have been able to make decision to know if we would have participated in the Civil Rights movement had it happened during our day and time. I would like to think that I would have been involved, as im sure you do too. But it’s a lot easier to say that in retrospect then to have actually been there see some of the horrible things happening in real time and still get up to act. So as much as you or I can call someone out for not participating I don’t think either of have a right to. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I look at it for what it is. Cain was involved with a family illness, which we can do nothing but speculate the circumstances of. Maybe it was his mom’s dying wish that he not be involved, maybe his 3rd cousin had a cold and Herman needed to bring him soup. Either way neither of us know enough to call his actions during that time disgraceful, by any means. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

From his interview with Lawrence the family illness was a hypothetical answer. Given that he is basically calling out the president for not being black enough whilst saying I obeyed jim crow laws and didn't march says a lot about the man. I mean, even if he had a family illness he managed to attended school and not once did he march during the civil rights movment. Family illness is a very poor excuse given the gravity of the times and the almost daily marches/protest and you know it.

There is no valid rational that could explain away a black man in eye of the storm would willingly obey laws that infringe on his personal freed while others are marching. Let's be honest here, the truth behind why Cain didn't march was to avoided "trouble" and his desire to not risk a future with any sort of stains. I understand that, I don't blame him for that and I can respect his decision to keep a squeaky clean record.

I think my use of the word disgraceful is appropriate given how often he has managed to open his mouth about blackness and the triumph of the civil right movements.

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[quote=mlmpetert;854297][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A couple thoughts now that this Herman Cain alleged sexual harassment is full blown news.….[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This is a 3rd party account with no named sources[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The details of what Cain is accused of doing wont even be released [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3) [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It seems very coincidental that this story comes out the day before hes supposed to address the National Press Club [/FONT][/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]4) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yesterday a Iowa poll showed Cain in 1st. This particular poll was viewed as a true barometer for the legitimacy of Cain nomination chances[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So Politico comes out with a story that is unsourced and without details but is sure to smear Cain ‘s name at a important time for him. Lets just say Cain was accused of “sexually suggestive behavior”, not name our sources or reveal any of the alleged details no matter how horrible or how innocent they may be, and lead it up to the public to imagine whatever they want…… That’s just great journalism right there. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

LOOL...are you serious, the man is running for president. Would it be preferable to release it days before the primary election? General election? A campaign trail speech? A republican debate? During his book tour? Right after a Sunday interview? When would you find it appropriate this information about a man constantly in the limeliete to be released?

More info will trickle out, that I am sure of. He is innocent until proven guilty but he is acting very suspect. His story is shaky. I mean, how can you be in charge of an org and not know that the women that accused you of misconduct were paid off and left the org?

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[quote=12thMan;854332]Nothing more than internal Republican politicos (no pun intended) trying to throw Cain off message and knock him down a notch. [B]Dems have nothing to gain by leaking this story before the GOP has chosen it's nominee, so I think it was someone within conservative circles. Rove, Kristol, Perry camp. Take your pick. [/B]

These scandals usually gain traction when there's a name or face attached to said scandal. In this case you have neither, so to the extent that Cain can make the media appear to be more interested in tabloid stories rather than the economy, I think he survives and keeps on trucking.[/quote]

You're wrong...clearly Martin and team Obama are scared of a real black candidate and have conspired to let a real white guy like Romney win the primary so he doesn't get the black vote so he is more easily defeated by Obama.

Perfect!

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Now that Cain has pretty much self-mutilated campaign you got to figure Mitt Romney is going to get the nomination...if he can overcome the "friendly fire."

Huntsman:
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George Will:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-pretzel-candidate/2011/10/28/gIQAPEQ8PM_story.html]Mitt Romney, the pretzel candidate - The Washington Post[/url]


I can't wait for Obama et al to sink their teeth into him.

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Problem is that Obama has to run on his record and a very poor record he has. His only real thing he can say he did well was killing a few terrorist leaders.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/01/living/cain-sexual-harassment-settlements/index.html?hpt=hp_c1]Sexual harassment settlements: 'cost of doing business' - CNN.com[/url]

oh shit did someone lie about there not being a settlement?

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[quote=Chico23231;854676][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/01/living/cain-sexual-harassment-settlements/index.html?hpt=hp_c1"]Sexual harassment settlements: 'cost of doing business' - CNN.com[/URL]

oh shit did someone lie about there not being a settlement?[/quote]


Good read. I am hopeful that this will largely blow over for Cain. Im with 12thman in that I think that this story more likely came from the GOP side then the Democrat’s side.

[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana]Regardless of what Cain did this whole thing stinks of a smear or “swiftboating” attack and I think most American’s are quickly feeling that way. Politico comes out with a story from about unnamed 3rd part sources that say Cain did something inappropriate and that they received 5 figure payouts. No names. No details on what he did. And no details on the payout which could be just a cost of doing business or indicative of an actual offense. Seriously sad journalism.[/FONT][/FONT]

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Well it sounds to me like a smear campaign, but you gotta be a complete and utter dumbass to lie about it and about the settlement. avoiding and lying about it further ignites the flames. Not to bright

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[quote=firstdown;854651]Problem is that Obama has to run on his record and a very poor record he has. His only real thing he can say he did well was killing a few terrorist leaders.[/quote]

Yeah, just a few terrorists. No biggie, anybody could have done that. al-Qaeda has been crippled in the past three years. Libya? I'm sure that was pretty easy,too. Getting Arab, African, European countries, and the UN together on the same page, limited US involvement and costs. No biggie. Saving GM, yep, another so what. Just a million or so jobs saved.

You're right, he has nothing to run on, I think Cain or Romney would do a much better job.

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To smear is to slander, to slander is to falsely accuse someone of something. Politico has every right to ascertain the truth and to ask questions. Clearly there is something that took place and there was a settlement of some kind. Cain and his team were given a chance to clarify the story 10 days prior to publication and they have managed to change their story several times within 24 hours of publication.

This is a legit story and we are all welcomed to think whatever we want.

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[quote=12thMan;854697]Yeah, just a few terrorists. No biggie, anybody could have done that. al-Qaeda has been crippled in the past three years. Libya? I'm sure that was pretty easy,too. Getting Arab, African, European countries, and the UN together on the same page, limited US involvement and costs. No biggie. Saving GM, yep, another so what. Just a million or so jobs saved.

You're right, he has nothing to run on, I think Cain or Romney would do a much better job.[/quote]

So now that Obama is in office al-Qaeda is finally been crippled. Sorry but tell that to the parents of the 13 that just died or the special forces that we lost a few months back. You do know the death toll is rising not going down? While I agree al-qaeda has been crippled it was not done in just 3 years it has been done in 9. I will not knock Obama for his fight there but don't act like its all because of him.

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You're missing the point. In your previous post you said Obama had a poor record to run on. In your second you diminished some of the successes in our effort to fight terrorism under this Administration.

Basically you're falling into the same trap Republican candidates will find themselves in come next Fall when they debate the President. On one hand Obama deserves no credit for progress, but on the other hand where results are obvious it's in spite of Obama.

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Yeah, this Cain story isn't going to go away.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/lawyer-cain-accuser-wants-to-talk-but-is-barred-by-agreement/2011/11/01/gIQA0bOIdM_story.html?wpisrc=al_politics]Lawyer: Cain accuser wants to talk but is barred by agreement - The Washington Post[/url]

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Funny thing bout this Cain story, its not the Dems who cooked this up. This is Karl Rove-like "McCain's fathered a black child" smear campaign in South Carolina. Gotta love that Karl Rove, class act.

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[quote=12thMan;854747]You're missing the point. In your previous post you said Obama had a poor record to run on. In your second you diminished some of the successes in our effort to fight terrorism under this Administration.

Basically you're falling into the same trap Republican candidates will find themselves in come next Fall when they debate the President. On one hand Obama deserves no credit for progress, but on the other hand where results are obvious it's in spite of Obama.[/quote]

Yeah. For all his failings (and I believe them to be numerous), and despite my philosophical difference with his method of gov., I just don't see anyone being discussed by the Republicans as someone who will garner enough support to beat him.

I see a second trap for non-incumbents created by the "Apathy of the Center" - On one hand the majority of people are moderate (slightly left and right of center and philosophically tied to traditional liberal democracy - little "l", little "d") but are tired of the same old, same old. As a result, they don't want candidates representing the more extreme elements of the Reps or Dems (think Tea Party/OWS; Libertarian/Socialist) but view other centerist candidates as just "Obama in Red". As a result, any candidate from the right differentiating themselves from Obama is faced with the risk of differentiating too much and being seen as representative of the fringe OR not differentiating enough and being seen as just more of the same but in Red.

Obama's approval rating may be low, but I don't see anyone from the Rep. Party stepping out as someone who won't be viewed by the center as "same sh**, just in Red instead of Blue". Ultimately, I see it as an election of "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't".

For better or (more likely) for worse, I see four more years of Mr. Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;854651]Problem is that Obama has to run on his record and a very poor record he has. His only real thing he can say he did well was killing a few terrorist leaders.[/quote]


It's sad the US can't muster up a candidate worthy enough to be a half ass shitty President. Then again, the people that would be great candidates would never see the light of day due to political black balling and media favoritism.

It's simple as this. If you want to play ball on the big field, you better be prepared to keep the status quo.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854839]It's sad the US can't muster up a candidate worthy enough to be a half ass shitty President. [B]Then again, the people that would be great candidates would never see the light of day due to political black balling and media favoritism.[/B]

It's simple as this. If you want to play ball on the big field, you better be prepared to keep the status quo.[/quote]

Just curious:
- Who is it that you believe is being black balled or slighted due to media favoritism?
- What individuals would put forth as candidates for federal and State office?
- Who are the people you believe [I]should[/I] be a candidate for President? For the North Carolina Governor & Senate?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;854845]Just curious:
- Who is it that you believe is being black balled or slighted due to media favoritism?
- What individuals would put forth as candidates for federal and State office?
- Who are the people you believe [I]should[/I] be a candidate for President? For the North Carolina Governor & Senate?[/quote]

Who is being slighted by the media? This guy for one.

[url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier]Indecision 2012 - Corn Polled Edition - Ron Paul & the Top Tier - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]


Who would make a good candidate? This guy.

[url=http://www.votenader.org/issues/]Political Issues that Matter - Ralph Nader's Views on the Issues[/url]


I'll get back to you on the NC Gov/Senate.

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[quote=Chico23231;854812]Funny thing bout this Cain story, its not the Dems who cooked this up. This is Karl Rove-like "McCain's fathered a black child" smear campaign in South Carolina. Gotta love that Karl Rove, class act.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah i think 12thman alluded to this eelier and i completely agree with you guys. I also agree with saden that i dont think this is going to go away anytime soon. However, apparently Cain had his biggest fundraising day in the wake of these allegations.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The biggest problem i have, which is the same as what you and Saden mentioned ealier, is that he denied that he knew about a payment..... Come on man. I know its embarrassing but the US people are probably one of the most forgiving group of people out there, except when it comes to lying to cover something up. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ive never voted before but was seriously considering voting if Cain got the nomination. Although I wear a voting promise ring I had considered letting my guard down and letting go of my political abstinence for the temptation of fair, transparent and equal taxes. Perhaps my political promiscuity came to a end before it ever started. I hope that didn’t creep anyone out……[/FONT][/COLOR]