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[quote=mbedner3420;822021]Straight up trade: John Beck for Matt Leinart? Trading a back up for a franchise quarterback?

And by franchise quarterback I mean John Beck.[/quote]

i'd probably bet on leinart... not that he's all that much better.

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[quote=jppt1974;822041]chris samuels is missed by a lot of redskins fans![/quote]

ok??

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[quote=SmootSmack;822035]There are at least a few people who say the Eagles have serious holes in key areas to really do much damage...I'd like to think they're right[/quote]They're almost certainly primed to go deeper into the playoffs than they did last year.

But one of the weird drawbacks to just trying to pick up all the best odds and ends on the free agent market is that the Eagles are almost certainly going to have picked up a couple of lemons who will make a paycheck this year without really contributing. And that's going to lower the overall quality of this team.

Now, that's not a problem for 2012 when the Eagles are loaded, because they can just move on from the players who "didn't fit" - addition by subtraction, if you will. They'll almost certainly be a super bowl contender next year. I'm just not confident they are right now.

They'll probably win a playoff game and end up in the divisional round, but they won't be able to take either the Packers or Saints in a one game set, and certainly won't handle them back to back if they can't manage to get a bye.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;822038]All I can think of is Linebacker. Which would be great if they didn't have such a high powered offense. Doesn't matter how much you can run the ball when you're down 28-14 in the fourth quarter unless you have someone like Chris Johnson that can hit a home run.

On the flip side though if someone shuts down Vick and then runs the ball all over the Eagles D, then they'll be as useful as a turtle on its back. Or you could get into a shoot out and hope like hell to come out on top. I'm thinking the second method will be more popular.[/quote]I don't know if I see the Eagles as a highpowered offense. I suppose I could always fall asleep one night to the MNF game on loop last year until my opinion changes, but I think they have one player who'd I'd feel confident signing to a franchise-length contract: LeSean McCoy.

McCoy gets a lot of his value (which, I don't think people realize that he's already like a top five back in total value/yards from scrimmage) from being the third option for defenses, but he's typically the one delivering the knockout blow.

As for Vick, Maclin, and Jackson, they're all really good players, but each one is probably flawed: Jackson doesn't always adjust to the ball while it's in the air and his hands aren't great, Maclin isn't and will never be a yards after catch guy, and Vick is injury prone and is terrible with pressure on him. Which is why teams do nothing but blitz him: if you're 50-50 to bring him down at any point, you might as well pick the backfield to take that risk. His career sack rate suggests as much. Any quarterback who gets blitzed as much as he does will look good numbers-wise (YPA) b/c of fewer defenders in coverage, it's just how you have to play him because of his skill set.

All three of those guys had good years last year. If they all have career average years in 2011, they'll look something like this:

Vick: 3,100 yards on 450 attempts, 23 TDs, 12 INTs, + 580 age adjusted rushing yards and 42 (!) sacks in 14 games (86.7 ancient QB rating)

Maclin: 63 receptions for 863 receiving yards, 7 receiving TDs
Jackson: 52 receptions for 936 receiving yards, 5 receiving TDs + 100 rushing yards

Yards of Total offense (rushing + receiving) for Maclin, Jackson, Vick: 2479

Those are my projections for the Eagles offense. To me, they're not all [I]that[/I] high powered. It's far more exciting than watching the Chiefs, but the production is about the same.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;822038]All I can think of is Linebacker. Which would be great if they didn't have such a high powered offense. Doesn't matter how much you can run the ball when you're down 28-14 in the fourth quarter unless you have someone like Chris Johnson that can hit a home run.

On the flip side though if someone shuts down Vick and then runs the ball all over the Eagles D, then they'll be as useful as a turtle on its back. Or you could get into a shoot out and hope like hell to come out on top. I'm thinking the second method will be more popular.[/quote]

As you indicate, their linebackers are a problem area. Also, their offensive line is destined to struggle even if Harris can remain healthy. Vick is a likely candidate for the injury report. Add it all up and you have good but not great and certainly not "Dream Team."

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[quote=SmootSmack;821993]My arch-nemesis Adam Schefter reporting that the Eagles have signed former Giants WR Steve Smith to a one-year contract. He's on the PUP list but could be ready to play by midseason[/quote]

Giants were hoping he'd retire, knee is that bad....seriously doubt he'll see the field.

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Jared Gaither to the Chiefs
Matt Roth to the Jags

both on rotoworld.com

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[quote=CultBrennan59;822157]Jared Gaither to the Chiefs
Matt Roth to the Jags

both on rotoworld.com[/quote]

Also reported by SS' arch-nemesis Adam Schefter. If Gaither can stay healthy and motivated, he can be a very good LT for the Chiefs.

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[quote=Giantone;822091]Giants were hoping he'd retire, knee is that bad....seriously doubt he'll see the field.[/quote]

Apparently the doctors in Philly and the doctors in NY have differing opinions on his knee. The doctors in Philly said it's a possibility he could play week 7. If he gets back on the field that early and is effective, that's a big blunder by NY.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/First-Down-Smith-bolts-for-Philly-yet-another-?urn=fantasy-wp6518]First Down: Smith bolts for Philly, yet another toy for Vick - Roto Arcade - Fantasy Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;822069]As you indicate, their linebackers are a problem area. Also, their offensive line is destined to struggle even if Harris can remain healthy. Vick is a likely candidate for the injury report. Add it all up and you have good but not great and certainly not "Dream Team."[/quote]

Well keep in mind, even with an injured Vick they still finished second in total offense and third in points per game with 27.4 points (only .2 points behind San Diego). Probably made up a lot of ground for the games Vick missed on that MN game.

And to be honest, among the starters I don't see a clear cut weakness (ie a 2009 Stephon Heyer).

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2011 Eagles = 1998 Vikings , just my 2 cents , sorry iggles fans ..... no ring this year !

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[quote=SmootSmack;821997]For anyone curious, word I've heard out of Eagles camp is that Vince Young is really struggling...while in Houston Matt Leinart is dominating[/quote]

What I hear is that Mike Kafka is running with the second team more than Vince Young is for the moment. Young's accuracy has been "less than acceptable" so far...

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[quote=GTripp0012;822061]I don't know if I see the Eagles as a highpowered offense. I suppose I could always fall asleep one night to the MNF game on loop last year until my opinion changes, but I think they have one player who'd I'd feel confident signing to a franchise-length contract: LeSean McCoy.

McCoy gets a lot of his value (which, I don't think people realize that he's already like a top five back in total value/yards from scrimmage) from being the third option for defenses, but he's typically the one delivering the knockout blow.

As for Vick, Maclin, and Jackson, they're all really good players, but each one is probably flawed: Jackson doesn't always adjust to the ball while it's in the air and his hands aren't great, Maclin isn't and will never be a yards after catch guy, and Vick is injury prone and is terrible with pressure on him. Which is why teams do nothing but blitz him: if you're 50-50 to bring him down at any point, you might as well pick the backfield to take that risk. His career sack rate suggests as much. Any quarterback who gets blitzed as much as he does will look good numbers-wise (YPA) b/c of fewer defenders in coverage, it's just how you have to play him because of his skill set.

All three of those guys had good years last year. If they all have career average years in 2011, they'll look something like this:

Vick: 3,100 yards on 450 attempts, 23 TDs, 12 INTs, + 580 age adjusted rushing yards and 42 (!) sacks in 14 games (86.7 ancient QB rating)

Maclin: 63 receptions for 863 receiving yards, 7 receiving TDs
Jackson: 52 receptions for 936 receiving yards, 5 receiving TDs + 100 rushing yards

Yards of Total offense (rushing + receiving) for Maclin, Jackson, Vick: 2479

Those are my projections for the Eagles offense. To me, they're not all [I]that[/I] high powered. It's far more exciting than watching the Chiefs, but the production is about the same.[/quote]


Just so I can calibrate your skepticism here, do you think that either Michael Vick, or DeSean Jackson or Jeremy Maclin could make the Redskins' squad? Or possibly be a starter for the Skins?

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[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6852878/knucklehead]New York Giants' Pat Hanlon spokesman on critical fan: 'Knucklehead' - ESPN New York[/url]

Man its nice to sit back and just watch the other circuses around the league and not be involved. Twitter, the gift that keeps on giving.

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[quote=Chico23231;822188][url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6852878/knucklehead]New York Giants' Pat Hanlon spokesman on critical fan: 'Knucklehead' - ESPN New York[/url]

Man its nice to sit back and just watch the other circuses around the league and not be involved. Twitter, the gift that keeps on giving.[/quote]



:rofl:

omg I love this guy...

[quote]a fan tweeted: "Can you say definitively the Giants are better than last year?"

Hanlon's reply: "Can you say we're worse, knucklehead?"[/quote]

[quote]Another fan tweeted: "All teams need to rebuild at one point, I'm not going to panic until the season begins." To which Hanlon says: "Re-build my ass! I got your re-build."[/quote]

[quote]To this tweet from a fan: "Giants off-season can be summed up w/ one word: Debacle," Hanlon responds: "Thanks Lombardi. Cause I know you know."[/quote]



[quote] giantspathanlon pat hanlon

This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a shit.
15 hours ago[/quote]


[url]https://twitter.com/#!/giantspathanlon[/url]

This guy is a goldmine.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;822186]Just so I can calibrate your skepticism here, do you think that either Michael Vick, or DeSean Jackson or Jeremy Maclin could make the Redskins' squad? Or possibly be a starter for the Skins?[/quote]No. They'd be buried here behind John Beck and Jabar Gaffney. If Shanahan does it, it's always right.

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[quote=Chico23231;822188][url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6852878/knucklehead]New York Giants' Pat Hanlon spokesman on critical fan: 'Knucklehead' - ESPN New York[/url]

Man its nice to sit back and just watch the other circuses around the league and not be involved. Twitter, the gift that keeps on giving.[/quote]

His Twitter account got hacked.

But seriously, I like the way Hanlon is taking to Twitter. Keep it coming man! Less national eyes on us and less attention on that groundbreaking news story, titled,"Potential starting quarterback is confident about team around him; thinks team will win division."

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wow, insulting your fans, good one!

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[quote=mooby;822201]His Twitter account got hacked.

But seriously, I like the way Hanlon is taking to Twitter. Keep it coming man! Less national eyes on us and less attention on that groundbreaking news story, titled,"Potential starting quarterback is confident about team around him; thinks team will win division."[/quote]

When the FO starts getting involved with unhappy fans on Twitter, 9 times outta 10 its gonna be epic fail. I hope the Giants FO keep it up.

Just imagine Vinny here a couple years ago and he had a twitter up and rolling...wow that just woulda been classic. The FO was already such an epic fail, little to no damage was left to do.

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[quote=GMScud;822163]Apparently the doctors in Philly and the doctors in NY have differing opinions on his knee. The doctors in Philly said it's a possibility he could play week 7. If he gets back on the field that early and is effective, that's a big blunder by NY.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/First-Down-Smith-bolts-for-Philly-yet-another-?urn=fantasy-wp6518"]First Down: Smith bolts for Philly, yet another toy for Vick - Roto Arcade - Fantasy*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]


It was the NY doctors that did the surgery.....now who do you think would know more about the injury?What is it if he doesn't get back on the field....or he does and blows out the knee again?

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[quote=Giantone;822222]It was the NY doctors that did the surgery.....now who do you think would know more about the injury?What is it if he doesn't get back on the field....or he does and blows out the knee again?[/quote]


I read he gets 2 mil guaranteed on that 1yr/4mil contract he signed. Sounds like a win-win to me.

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[quote=Mattyk;822202]wow, insulting your fans, good one![/quote]

........somretimes you insult fans in different ways.

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[quote=NC_Skins;822223]I read he gets 2 mil guaranteed on that 1yr/4mil contract he signed. Sounds like a win-win to me.[/quote]


......how?

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yeah, the direct approach is always full of win

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[quote=Giantone;822225]......how?[/quote]

How what? If he doesn't play a down, he's still going to get 2 mil. I'd call that a huge win.

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Here are the top 10 tweets from Hanlon:

10) Hanlon: The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776.

9) @BarstoolScott: On paper they ARE worse. no matter who signs your checks.

Hanlon: We don't play on paper. You know what you can do w/ that paper?

8) @bbhkf78: All teams need to rebuild at one point, I'm not going to panic until the season begins.

Hanlon: Re-build my ass! I got your re-build.

7) @Ste"enMurray10: Can you say definitively the Giants are better than last year?

Hanlon: Can you say we're worse, knucklehead?

6) Hanlon: This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***.

5) Hanlon: The fantasy football gurus are king right now. Enjoy it while it lasts. Eventually you have to line up and actually play the game.

4) @AGruber73: because the giants are making barely any noise while the eagles are "the dream team."

Hanlon: A lot noisemakers end up in the ditch.

3) @moltisanti5: sorry pat no way u can put a positive spin on what went down with smith! n 29 years never been so disappointed.

Hanlon: Sleep it off.

2) @gmen8069: your job is to be a company man but how can Giants fans be excited when they did nothing

Hanlon: You like winning? Sit tight.

1) Hanlon: I'm angry about a lot of things, but I could give a s*** about the proclamations at end of the Turnpike

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[quote=Mattyk;822202]wow, [B]insulting your fans[/B], good one![/quote]
It's New York.....who can tell?

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[quote=Chico23231;822231]Here are the top 10 tweets from Hanlon:
[/quote]

I love this guy..lol Snyder needs to fire up the jet and go throw a ton of money at this guy just to run the Redskins Twitter page. :laughing-

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[quote=GTripp0012;822199]No. They'd be buried here behind John Beck and Jabar Gaffney. If Shanahan does it, it's always right.[/quote]

Thank you. Now I understand...

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Lee Evans to Baltimore...

"Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Buffalo has traded WR Lee Evans traded to Baltimore."

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[quote=Giantone;822224]........somretimes you insult fans in different ways.[/quote]

I enjoy Sommretime to. Warmest time of the year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;822431]Lee Evans to Baltimore...

"Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Buffalo has traded WR Lee Evans traded to Baltimore."[/quote]

Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? v Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!?Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!? Who ya gonna cover!?Who ya gonna cover!?

UHHHHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP MADDEN KID! GO F yourself on 4th down or something.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;822433]I enjoy Sommretime to. Warmest time of the year.[/quote]

One "m" Dirt. Its somretime. You screwed your own joke. Sorry, try again soon!

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[quote=Ruhskins;822431]Lee Evans to Baltimore...

"Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Buffalo has traded WR Lee Evans traded to Baltimore."[/quote]

So Roscoe Parrish is hurt and Lee Evans is gone, maybe I should retract my Bills will be exciting statement from a couple of days ago. Who's that they're big on though, Donald Jones?

Anyhow, did the Ravens end up trading the 3rd round pick the Bills wanted?

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[quote=Ruhskins;822431]Lee Evans to Baltimore...

"Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Buffalo has traded WR Lee Evans traded to Baltimore."[/quote]

Wow...great pickup for the Ravens. Boldin and Evans become one of the best WR duos in the NFL now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;822437]So Roscoe Parrish is hurt and Lee Evans is gone, maybe I should retract my Bills will be exciting statement from a couple of days ago. Who's that they're big on though, Donald Jones?

Anyhow, did the Ravens end up trading the 3rd round pick the Bills wanted?[/quote]

Steve Johnson
[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/stevejohnson/768/profile]Steve Johnson, WR for the Buffalo Bills at NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;822437]
Anyhow, did the Ravens end up trading the 3rd round pick the Bills wanted?[/quote]



AdamSchefter Adam Schefter

Bills wound up getting back a fourth-round pick from Baltimore for WR Lee Evans. Big move for the Ravens.
about a minute ago

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[quote=Monkeydad;822441]Steve Johnson
[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/stevejohnson/768/profile]Steve Johnson, WR for the Buffalo Bills at NFL.com[/url][/quote]

No, not him.

I was actually thinking of David Nelson

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[quote=NC_Skins;822443]AdamSchefter Adam Schefter

Bills wound up getting back a fourth-round pick from Baltimore for WR Lee Evans. Big move for the Ravens.
about a minute ago[/quote]

I have definitely been a Lee Evans fantasy owner multiple times.

Typical statline:
Game 1: 1 catch, 11 yards
Game 2: 3 catches, 127 yards, 2 TD's

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[quote=Dirtbag59;822433]I enjoy Sommretime to. Warmest time of the year.[/quote]

...oh well,that will teach me to type at 3 am.(sometimes)