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djnemo, I had a feeling you would show up once the dust settled down in this thread, and to be clear, I don't have anything against most of the students that go to Penn State. Granted, I don't agree with the ones who are still supporting Paterno post-Freeh report, and I don't agree with his family, who are clearly only doing this to try and protect what remains of his tarnished legacy, but I don't have any desire to have their funding cut or for Penn State to get the academic death penalty.

I do think the football program should receive the death penalty though, and it's primarily based upon the fact that the man responsible for 3 decades of on-field success enabled a child molester for at least 10 years, and potentially more. I feel that nullifies any success they had on the field, and I think by allowing the football team to continue to exist will only invite more disruption and will serve to keep a volatile situation continuing long after the fact. I understand that doing so could potentially hurt all those players on the team today who haven't had anything to do with this, but unfortunately this is bigger than them and if they want to continue to play, they should have the option to transfer to another school and have the one-year dq waived. Every game they play as the Penn State football team could serve as a scene for a potential riot, with thousands of dissenters showing up to voice their opposition.

By giving the football program the death penalty, the NCAA would be serving an effective warning that if the country continues to put coaches and football programs up on a god-like pedestal, they would continue to let the opportunity for lies, deceit, and extreme misconduct like what happened at Penn State continue uninterrupted. I understand if you disagree completely, but a situation of this magnitude has to be dealt with appropriately. It wasn't just the fact that Jerry Sandusky did irreparable damage to these kids, it was also the fact that Spanier, Schultz, Curley, and Paterno put the reputation of their nationally renowned football program ahead of the welfare of the kids he harmed. For that, I think their nationally renowned football program shouldn't continue to exist.

I also understand much of what I just said isn't what your post is about, but I felt the need to clarify my opinion on this one.

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I disagree with those people too Mooby, although their numbers are dwindling.

People realize that the death penalty means a 1-2 year ban from competition right? If anyone thinks that the NCAA is going to discontinue PSU football forever you're going to be disappointed. Personally, I questioned whether the NCAA has the authority to get involved in a criminal matter initially (and still do) although increasingly I'm thinking that a one or even two year ban might be in the best interests of the school going forward, given that people don't seem very receptive to legalistic jurisdictional arguments about NCAA bylaws. Although when schools have covered up rapes of young women instead of men to protect their football teams I don't remember this level of outrage. See eg: [url=http://www.titleix.info/Resources/Legal-Cases/Colorado-Lawsuit-Alleged-Rape-Football-Recruiting-Party.aspx]Colorado Lawsuit Alleged Rape Football Recruiting Party[/url] ; [url=http://missoulian.com/news/local/um-dean-implicated-football-players-in-gang-rape-emails-reveal/article_166bb96a-a16c-11e1-8d36-001a4bcf887a.html]UM dean implicated 4 football players in gang rape, emails reveal[/url] ; [url=http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what-happens-when-you-accuse-a-notre-dame-football-player-of-sexually-assaulting-you]This Is What Happens When You Accuse A Notre Dame Football Player Of Sexually Assaulting You[/url]

As long as we agree that schools like this should get similar penalties moving forward I have no problem with the death penalty being applied.

*Just to be clear I'm not saying that those incidents come close to the level of depravity we see in the Penn State case, only that if we are going to radically expand the jurisdiction of the NCAA we need to all understand that that is in fact what we're doing.

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Well, like I said DJ, it's how I felt at the moment. We're coming at this, of course, from two different perspectives. Penn State means a lot to you, and I know it means a lot to all those people who looked the other way and those who continue to justify/defend Paterno et al.

To me? Penn State means nothing. I've got friends with strong ties both past and present to Penn State. I'm sure it would sadden them to no end if Penn State is destroyed as an institution both academically and athletically. Hard for me to shed a tear though, as much as I know the damage could be far reaching.

Is it emotions talking? Sure, it probably is. But not unlike the emotions of those back in November who complained about people unfairly vilifying Joe Paterno

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I agree with Mooby. The NCAA need to send a simple message, football programs are not above child abuse. The motive to cover up what was the cash cow of football and the importance of football and the university reputation is simply unacceptable. College sports needs to step back and really question themselves and make a commitment of nothing like this must never happen again. 1 year suspension of all football activities would send the proper message.

Boo hoo if Penn State football team cant play for one year, thats the type of selfishness we need to step back and look at. Once again, you simply dont understand how serious this is if the arguement is current players shouldnt be punished. Its not about current players, its the institution of the god-like like football program that needs punishment. Got to send a message.

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Seems I'm not alone.


[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/07/airplane-banner-joe-paterno-statue-/1#.UAWqR5HNlQh]Airplane banner makes threat if Paterno statue is not removed[/url]


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Wait, so because people made irrational emotional arguments in November it's ok for you to make irrational emotional arguments now? I mean that's your argument right? You mean nothing to me SS, I mean I like it when you have inside info on the Skins but you're really just an avatar to me ... but that doesn't mean I want bad things to happen to you. In fact, I don't. Although the idea that PSU could be destroyed not only as a sports school (which is possible) but as an academic entity (which is not) reconfirms what other posts of yours have shown (and I'm talking about the facepalm-worthy post in November that speculated that state funding cuts might lead to Penn State closing up shop): that you have basically no idea how higher education works, how schools are funded, and what a reduction in federal aid money and football revenue for a grant-driven research school like Penn State would mean. Penn State currently is about 90 percent privately funded (and less than .5 percent of its budget comes from the Federal government, and then only in the form of Agricultural grants) and there have been calls from within for years to bump that up to 100 percent. The thinking is, if we're basically already a private school why not go all the way? The idea that by cutting scholarships to needy kids you precipitate the collapse of the school - rather than just further shutting out regular people like me from the best non-ivy league education one can get in PA - shows that you're a little bit out of your element here. I'm not saying you [I]should [/I]understand this, only that you don't. And you don't. Peaceout.

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[quote=djnemo65;924986]Guys, look, the statue is coming down. In fact, if it's still up whenever PSU plays its next game I'll ride with NC Skins and help tear it down. Actually I won't, but I'll ride along and will defend NC once he gets arrested. While I can't prove it, I'm reasonably sure that these Board member quotes arguing that the statue should stay up are coming from one of the five or so new members elected this year after running on pro-Paterno platforms. People like this: [url=http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/new-penn-state-trustee-anthony-lubrano-video/145875]New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports[/url] [/quote]

Thank you. I'll drop you off at the closet corner, right before I ram it. You can youtube it. :) I envision it going something like this.

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[quote=djnemo65;924986]I do need to pushback against what I think has really been some piling on, here and other places. First, I'm not sure people realize that Penn State commissioned and paid for the Freeh Report. They didn't have to do that. More importantly, if they were trying to further suppress this story (as changing the channel in the student union is supposedly evidence of) they wouldn't have taken the lead in commissioning this type of report, or they would have farmed it out to someone less capable and unbiased than a former FBI director. The school has made some mistakes but it is trying to do the right thing moving forward and isn't getting enough credit for that. Everyone got fired, including Paterno before we knew the extent of his involvement (which ended up costing several board members their positions, not profiles in courage but still.) This stuff about changing the channel in the student union is an example. What do you think is more likely? That this was an order from up high to keep students in the dark? (Students who have like internet and stuff.) Or that this was the decision of some 12 dollar an hour shift mananager who probably has never been trained in PR and working under international media scrutiny? If they wanted to suppress this stuff they wouldn't have commissioned the report, simple as that. [/quote]

You ask if the decision to pull the plug on the Freeh report being announced was the work of administrators or a 12/hr shift manager? I think the bigger question here is does it really matter?

Even if some 12/hr shift manager is pulling the plug, wouldn't that also show you how rooted the PSU football culture is? Protect the brand. Protect the brand. Now, not only do you have 3 administrators and 1 head coach protecting the brand, but now you have all the departments across campus following their lead. This is by far the main issue at hand here. The culture and atmosphere that has been created in which the well being of human beings comes second to PSU football and PSU university.


This where I stand. I think PSU football should die. I do believe the school itself should stand because it is a valuable educational institution, but I think the football culture has created a monster that will not stop unless it's killed. I assure you, if allowed to continue, something else in the future will also be covered up as well. In fact, there will be even a stronger case for these individuals to cover up the next incident because they are going to even look more out of control if they reveal it.

Also, the fact that you have guys like the BoT (linked above) spewing that garbage about how this wasn't a PSU scandal or a PSU football scandal is ridiculous. These are the exact types of people that allowed the mess to happen to begin with. People in denial. People that put PSU above all else. I'm with Matty when he says that anybody still defending JoePa should put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger.

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I'm not sure what part of "this is emotion talking" is hard to grasp

But whatever.

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As for my November post, I'm pretty sure I was talking about a DOE "death penalty" not a total shut down of the university.

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[quote=djnemo65;925005]I disagree with those people too Mooby, although their numbers are dwindling.

People realize that the death penalty means a 1-2 year ban from competition right? If anyone thinks that the NCAA is going to discontinue PSU football forever you're going to be disappointed. Personally, I questioned whether the NCAA has the authority to get involved in a criminal matter initially (and still do) although increasingly I'm thinking that a one or even two year ban might be in the best interests of the school going forward, given that people don't seem very receptive to legalistic jurisdictional arguments about NCAA bylaws. Although when schools have covered up rapes of young women instead of men to protect their football teams I don't remember this level of outrage. See eg: [URL="http://www.titleix.info/Resources/Legal-Cases/Colorado-Lawsuit-Alleged-Rape-Football-Recruiting-Party.aspx"]Colorado Lawsuit Alleged Rape Football Recruiting Party[/URL] ; [URL="http://missoulian.com/news/local/um-dean-implicated-football-players-in-gang-rape-emails-reveal/article_166bb96a-a16c-11e1-8d36-001a4bcf887a.html"]UM dean implicated 4 football players in gang rape, emails reveal[/URL] ; [URL="http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what-happens-when-you-accuse-a-notre-dame-football-player-of-sexually-assaulting-you"]This Is What Happens When You Accuse A Notre Dame Football Player Of Sexually Assaulting You[/URL]

As long as we agree that schools like this should get similar penalties moving forward I have no problem with the death penalty being applied.

*Just to be clear I'm not saying that those incidents come close to the level of depravity we see in the Penn State case, only that if we are going to radically expand the jurisdiction of the NCAA we need to all understand that that is in fact what we're doing.[/quote]

To be honest, I keep confusing myself on the death penalty. If the death penalty is only a 1 or 2 year ban, than I feel even more strongly that it be enforced, because 2 years of not playing football is miniscule compared to a decade of child abuse. I'm not sure what kind of penalty the NCAA will throw down here, but I think it could easily be the "death penalty." And I do agree with you in regards to the Colorado case mentioned above, any case where a football program is placed in higher regards than the welfare of any person is a case where harsh punishment should be meted out. I also say that as a fan of VT, knowing full well those words could come back to haunt me someday.

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[quote=NC_Skins;925033]Seems I'm not alone.


[URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/07/airplane-banner-joe-paterno-statue-/1#.UAWqR5HNlQh"]Airplane banner makes threat if Paterno statue is not removed[/URL]


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Love it.

His Alma Mater, Brown Univ. has stripped Paterno's name off buildings and an annual award.

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I think a lot of PSU current and alumni students are embarrassed. They were once such a proud group now it has to hurt a bit when someone ask where you went to school. I see it on my sister and brother in laws faces.

My BIL took down a lot of his PSU stuff at his house. His fridge use to say "we are Penn State" when you opened it. He took that down.

They both still live in PA btw; I can only imagine how much more painfully it is for displaced PSU folks.

The folks responsible should be held accountable; I don't know how by tearing down the entire football and/or school is fair to folks who had nothing to do with this.

I also believe the statue of Joe P should be brought down as well out of respect for the victims. If it stays up and you are not a victim who cares it just a piece of metal I would not waste my time driving to happy valley to tear it down.

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[quote=Monkeydad;925072]Love it.

His Alma Mater, Brown Univ. has stripped Paterno's name off buildings and an annual award.[/quote]

I don't know off memory many buildings named after him on that campus and I have walked it many times.

Plus they are still deciding what to do:

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/07/brown-university-may-take-paternos-name-off-award/1#.UAXIUPWDl8E]Brown University may take Paterno's name off award[/url]

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[quote=djnemo65;924986]

SS, I don't get why you are so concerned about football players who had nothing to do with this but want federal scholarship funding cut for students who similarly had nothing to do with any of this, scholarships that allowed people like me to attend the most expensive state school in the country and are basically responsible for everything that I now have in my life. I get why people are angry but to just vindictively wish pain on anyone who has any PSU affiliation at all is just mean, and to show solicitude for football players (who can just transfer to a comparable institution easily) but not for regular students (who can't) is just perverse. I really don't get it.[/quote]

i dont think anyone with a rational thought process would wish vindictive pain on the current students and facilty that have had nothing to do with the sandusky case. i think people want to see penn state react faster than they have though, and the lack of public response has rubbbed alot of people the wrong way. it leads to the perception that penn state is too wrapped up in themselfs to identify the problem and find a solution. i feel sorry for all of the people with any affilitation to the school that are wrongly affected by this, but at the end of the day it's a bi-product of the university's wrong doing. and these students and facilty are not the only innocent people effected by this, the victims come first and foremost.

for the record i think the university should be able to continue with academics as normal, but the football program should be shut down for at least one year. and the university also needs to remove all ties to paterno, knowing what we now know there is no reason what so ever to continue any afiliation with that name. it's a very sad and tragic set of events that have unfolded here.

If Penn State thinks its so unfair to have their program shut down for a bit, those at the top shouldnt have enabled an environment where young children were raped. Not much more complex than that IMO.

PSU will be forever remembered for this but they can also be remembered for taking quick action, being critical of Paterno and the football program, etc. Instead, all this denial is only further hurting the school's reputation.

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Yep, denial is exactly what it is.

It's almost painful, but very pathetic to listen to the Paterno worshippers. I work with a ton of them. They've been whiining "it's such a shame that an evil monster can tarnish the legacy of such a great man". Sickening. It's like they don't even care about or realize what happened.

Their latest straw argument..."I want to know what role the Governor had in this scandal, he was Attorney General before he was Governor!"

Surprise, surprise, these people are also raging liberals who have been crying since the Republican Governor was elected and any chance they get to try to take him down they do. The Governor was not part of the cover-up. PATERNO was. PATERNO allowed it. He hid it. He was part of it. Accept it. You can't blame law enforcement for this not coming out earlier when there was a huge undertaking by every level of the University to hide it.

Why don't we talk about the District Attorney who just DISAPPEARED in 2005 while he was hot on Sandusky's trail. Also, that boy in the shower, no one knows who he is or where he is now. Was his body disposed of along with the District Attorney who may have known his name?

Ray Gricar, the DA...his car was found empty. His computer hard drives were stolen and turned up in the Susquehanna River...his body was never found.

I won't be shocked if it comes out that the University, boosters or Paterno and Sandusky themselves hired a hitman or two with school and taxpayer funds.

Would it shock you?

Shut that football program down, not for a year, indefinitely. I think we have not even scratched the surface of what they did. We're all in for plenty of shock, even more than we've already had.



[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668"]Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Penn Missing Man Mystery - ABC News[/URL]

Excerpt:
[QUOTE]Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth." [/QUOTE]

Yeah the whole DA bit seems to be way too much to be a coincidence. I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but what happened was pretty wild. Seems like something out of a movie.

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This is starting to reach Jim Jones levels:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/07/18/penn-state-students-paterno-statue.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp]Penn State students protecting Joe Paterno statue - NCAA Football - SI.com[/url]

Happy Valley will soon be Jonestown with large punch bowls placed through out the campus.

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Idiot students. They just don't comprehend what happened, do they?

I bet if Sandusky was raping college students on campus, they'd have a different take on this since they'd be targets personally. You'd think the idea that their little brothers could be targets would be enough to enrage them, but I guess you can't expect children themselves to fully understand anything.

We're going to have to throw some smoke bombs or mace in there to clear them out, then just yank that statue down with a chain and a dump truck. Forget preserving it, lets just toss it back onto the lawn of the Paterno family in pieces, just like the lives of the victims.

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I read the story about the statue. Insane.

The statue should be down already. Every student should be forced to read the entire Freeh report.

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Just tell the students that tuition will have to go up because of the legal fees from Paterno and Sandusky. They'll riot.

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It's kind of amazing that people will still blindly pledge their allegiance to a guy like that. I figured child rape is one of those things where every non-rapist would have the same stance on the subject, but it's clear where they stand. Apparently assisting a child rapist isn't enough to harm the "legacy" of a beloved former coach. It's pathetic.

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The [I]only[/I] thing I can think as a reason is their outright denial of the evidence. It has to be something along the lines of "He didn't REALLY know". Otherwise, I can't see how you could justify defending Paterno and live with yourself.

We are talking aiding and abetting the entrapment and brutal rape of young, at-risk boys. How can you even begin to say "Yeah, but ..." to that.

I understand you don't want to punish the innocent, but I think all this just highlights exactly what Freeh was talking about at Penn State in terms of the culture. If this is our next generation of leaders, I weep for the future.

I had been wavering before, but this culture of denial and cover-up need to go. The place needs to be, metaphorically speaking, razed to the ground and rebuilt. [I]Anyone[/I] defending the school's actions and deliberate inactions in this matter needs to be fired yesterday. Horrible. Just horrible.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;925378]I read the story about the statue. Insane.

The statue should be down already. Every student should be forced to read the entire Freeh report.[/quote]

I really don't think it would do any good JR. When you have guys like Jay Paterno saying the Freeh report wasn't accurate and "just a opinion." Yeah, there are no new facts even though they expose his father with the emails and hand written notes. Nope. No new facts.

[url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-13/news/32667050_1_jay-paterno-paterno-family-freeh-report]Jay Paterno defends dad in wake of Freeh report - New York Daily News[/url]


Also, you have board of trustee members saying "this isn't a PSU scandal or a football scandal", not sure these people will ever let go of their idol. Just listen to this assclown the PSU alumni voted in as a board of trustee.

[url=http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/new-penn-state-trustee-anthony-lubrano-video/145875]New Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano needs a dose of this little thing called reality (Video) | Larry Brown Sports[/url] (thanks to djnemo65 for posting this)

This is the type of leadership they want at PSU? The kind where they are in constant denial and will continue to cover up. Just visit a PSU forum and it's littered with posts and threads about how the Freeh report is garbage and how Paterno should remain a icon. It's downright sickening. They've been taught this their whole life and conditioned that PSU football takes precedence over everything. Also another fun fact, Jay Paterno got quite a few votes to be a member on the board of trustees, even though he doesn't want the position nor applied.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;925395]The [I]only[/I] thing I can think as a reason is their outright denial of the evidence. It has to be something along the lines of "He didn't REALLY know". Otherwise, I can't see how you could justify defending Paterno and live with yourself.[/quote]


You hit the nail on the head about why. The few PSU forums I scanned, this was the biggest factor in their denial. They think the Freeh report is bogus and inaccurate that was done by a unprofessional guy.(they mention the Waco fiasco as their reasoning) They are pointing at the media as the bad guys who are making them look bad and are blowing things out of proportion. Granted now, there are some PSU alumni and fans posting on those forums telling those guys that they are crazy and are in denial.

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[quote=mredskins;925368]This is starting to reach Jim Jones levels:

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/07/18/penn-state-students-paterno-statue.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp]Penn State students protecting Joe*Paterno statue - NCAA Football - SI.com[/url]

Happy Valley will soon be Jonestown with large punch bowls placed through out the campus.[/quote]

After reading this, I say burn the whole campus down. Officially in the absolutely ridiculous territory.

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[quote=Chico23231;925436]After reading this, I say burn the whole campus down. Officially in the absolutely ridiculous territory.[/quote]

Then you'll LOVE these reactions.

[url]http://deadspin.com/5926561/i-hope-tim-tebow-rapes-a-kid-and-other-completely-sane-penn-state-fan-re%20actions-to-paternovilles-renaming[/url]


Now, they can burn the school down for all I care...**** PSU.

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[quote=NC_Skins;925446]Then you'll LOVE these reactions.

[url=http://deadspin.com/5926561/i-hope-tim-tebow-rapes-a-kid-and-other-completely-sane-penn-state-fan-re%20actions-to-paternovilles-renaming]"I Hope Tim Tebow Rapes A Kid" And Other Completely Sane Penn State Fan Reactions To Paternoville's Renaming[/url]


Now, they can burn the school down for all I care...**** PSU.[/quote]

Proof that sheeple still exist, how sad.

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[quote=NC_Skins;925446]Then you'll LOVE these reactions.

[url=http://deadspin.com/5926561/i-hope-tim-tebow-rapes-a-kid-and-other-completely-sane-penn-state-fan-re%20actions-to-paternovilles-renaming]"I Hope Tim Tebow Rapes A Kid" And Other Completely Sane Penn State Fan Reactions To Paternoville's Renaming[/url]


Now, they can burn the school down for all I care...**** PSU.[/quote]I *love* the latest line of defense from PSU. (paraphrased) "The NCAA should do nothing because it wasn't a football matter."

Your freakin head coach knowingly let a pedophile use your college facilities to rape young boys. Like hell it isn't a matter involving your football program.

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I heard someone say they should leave the statue up but paint it yellow, that way everyone will know what a coward looks like. Works for me.

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One BoT stepping down.

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8182621/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustee-steve-garban-steps-downs-jerry-sandusky-scandal]Penn State Nittany Lions trustee Steve Garban steps downs after Jerry Sandusky scandal - ESPN[/url]


[quote]Steve Garban, a longtime and influential member of Penn State's Board of Trustees, resigned Thursday, bowing to pressure by some of his fellow trustees who were angry at him for failing to alert them about the Jerry Sandusky criminal investigation in April 2011.[/quote]


Sad thing is, they'll replace him with a JoePa apologist. :doh:

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Some people now speculating the statue will be taken down this weekend

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Kimberly Jones just reported they're removing the statue this weekend.

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[quote=SmootSmack;925578]Some people now speculating the statue will be taken down this weekend[/quote]Whether it's this weekend or later, I bet the reason PSU claims is "controversy over the statue" rather than any shame of Joe Pa permitting Sandusky.

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[quote=12thMan;925582]Kimberly Jones just reported they're removing the statue this weekend.[/quote]

I still would like to volunteer to remove this. My way would be much cooler and make for a better youtube experience.


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Franco Harris and I must have read completely different reports

[url=http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/exclusive-interview-franco-harris-defends-paterno-/nPzPm/]Exclusive interview: Franco Harris defends Paterno, bashes PSU... | www.wpxi.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;925716]Franco Harris and I must have read completely different reports

[url=http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/exclusive-interview-franco-harris-defends-paterno-/nPzPm/]Exclusive interview: Franco Harris defends Paterno, bashes PSU... | www.wpxi.com[/url][/quote]


Matty is my new PR rep on the subject.


[quote=Mattyk;924432]Anyone who is still defending Joe Pa at this point just needs to stick a gun in their mouth.[/quote]


Pretty much.

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[quote=SmootSmack;925578]Some people now speculating the statue will be taken down this weekend[/quote]



[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8184260/joe-paterno-statue-call-made-penn-state-nittany-lions-president]Joe Paterno statue call to be made by Penn State Nittany Lions president - ESPN[/url]

[quote]Various tweets Friday morning said the board had voted and/or made a decision about the statue and that it would be removed this weekend. However, if the board had taken a vote during the call, it would have violated state law, which prohibits votes from being taken outside of declared board meetings.

The trustees who spoke Friday morning said board members did discuss possibilities for the statue, including moving it from the stadium area, perhaps to the library on campus that bears the Paterno name, or the Penn State All Sports Museum near the stadium. Board spokesman David LaTorre declined to comment Friday morning[/quote]


Move it to the library? These assholes really don't get it. Anything Joe Paterno needs to be removed from that campus ASAP in order to start fresh. Anybody associated with that scandal need all traces removed from that campus.

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It's coming down. Not b/c Paterno enabled a child molester but b/c:

[quote]"[C]ontrary to its original intention, coach Paterno's statue has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing in our university and beyond," University President Rodney Erickson said in a statement.

The 900-pound bronze statue, outside Beaver Stadium, will be stored in a "secure location."

"I believe that, were it to remain, the statue will be a recurring wound to the multitude of individuals across the nation and beyond who have been the victims of child abuse[.]"[/quote]

Meanwhile the library will remain named after him b/c:
[quote]The library remains a tribute to Joe and Sue Paterno's commitment to Penn State's student body and academic success, and it highlights the positive impacts coach Paterno had on the university[.][/quote]

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/22/us/penn-state-paterno-statue/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]University: Paterno statue to be removed - CNN.com[/url]

... and Mussolini made the trains run on time. Sorry, They just don't get it. The culture fostered by Paterno in his last couple of decades at PSU, and the abuses it clearly hid, more than counter any "positive impacts" that culture created. You don't get to claim credit for creating great citizens if it comes at the expense of intentionally covering up and enabling the torture of young children.

I cannot say enough bad things about PSU and its defenders right now.

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What happens to people who stood up to Paterno?

[url=http://www.nj.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2012/07/politi_meet_vicky_triponey_the.html]Politi: Meet Vicky Triponey, the woman who stood up to Joe Paterno at Penn State | NJ.com[/url]

[quote]Triponey lived it. She took the job at Penn State in 2003 and, within a year, started butting heads with Paterno over disciplining his players. The general student population had one set of rules, she said, that didn’t apply to the football team — and any attempts to challenge that were not just met with resistance, but anger.

Her e-mail exchange with former university president Graham Spanier and athletic director Tim Curley, among others, created national headlines when it was uncovered last fall.

“I must insist that the efforts to put pressure on us and try to influence our decisions related to specific cases ... simply MUST STOP,” she wrote. “The calls and pleas from coaches, board members and others when we are considering a case are indeed putting us in a position that does treat football players differently and with greater privilege ... and it appears on our end to be a deliberate effort to use the power of the football program to sway our decisions in a way that is beneficial to the football program.”

Penn State, at the time, had earned the nickname Penitentiary State for a rash of off-field problems, including a 2007 brawl at an off-campus apartment involving a half dozen players that led to serious injuries. Triponey wanted suspensions. Paterno wanted to discipline the players himself, making them clean the stadium after games. The coach got his way.[/quote]


It ran deep folks.