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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;874665][B]I think he is better than Grossman because he has not shown any proclivity to turn the ball over with INTs or fumbles. Grossman does that about twice a game..[/B][/quote]Flynn has thrown five INTs and fumbled three times in what amounts to about a three or four game career. It's hard to draw many conclusions from that, but it's a red flag that if you aren't very careful with the ball in your audition to be a starter, it's easy to be careless when you have that job security.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874471]Forgot the thread you posed this question, but I meant to answer it. Been away for the past week.


Would I be ok with signing Flynn and drafting a developmental QB in the draft.



See, there are two issues I have with the "signing flynn" portion of this.

1) Is he even better than the guys we have?

2) What type of coin is he wanting?


Flynn was graded as a low end QB, in the draft, based on his skills and collegiate performance. I personally think the guy has just flourished in the current system he's in and will most likely end up being the type of QB he was graded as. (low end) That's just my opinion. He very well could be the next coming of Tom Brady, but you won't know that until he plays in another system with different players.

I would be fine with bringing Flynn in only if the contract was modest and he actually beat the competition in training camp. I'm not willing to say "let's bring this guy in as the unquestioned starter".[/quote]

Exactly. Not giving any compensation to GB and not paying him a lot of $. I go back to Kevin Kolb. He had some big games for Philly and how's that working out for AZ. year one? I prefer to go out and get our own guy, play him day one and live with his mistakes.

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I saw this Mock and although I really don't have a problem with the #1 pick... I think the rest suck.

[url=http://nflmocks.com/2012/01/09/2012-nfl-mock-draft-7-round-washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-a-lock/]2012 NFL Mock Draft 7 Round Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin III a Lock - NFL Mocks - Covering the 2012 NFL draft, Mock Draft Database, Scouting Reports, and Fantasy Football[/url]

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More P.Manning talk... Colts will probably trade or cut him and 4 teams should be interested... one being the Skins.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1019103-peyton-manning-trade-rumors-possible-mvp-for-sale]Peyton Manning Trade Rumors: 4 Plausible Destinations for the MVP Quarterback | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;874897]More P.Manning talk... Colts will probably trade or cut him and 4 teams should be interested... one being the Skins.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1019103-peyton-manning-trade-rumors-possible-mvp-for-sale]Peyton Manning Trade Rumors: 4 Plausible Destinations for the MVP Quarterback | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Quoting the Bleacher Report is like using your UPS man as an unnamed source. Until it comes from the mouth of Schefter, Mort or Glazer, I'm not buying it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;874787]Flynn has thrown five INTs and fumbled three times in what amounts to about a three or four game career. It's hard to draw many conclusions from that, but it's a red flag that if you aren't very careful with the ball in your audition to be a starter, it's easy to be careless when you have that job security.[/quote]

Echoing what you previously mentioned, I'd rather see us bring in Chad Henne than Matt Flynn. Flynn is going to be a hugely expensive risk. He's going to command a top 12 QB salary off of what amounts to 1/8 of a seasons work over 4 seasons. Just doesn't make sense. He is far from a sure thing or a proven QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;874930]Quoting the Bleacher Report is like using your UPS man as an unnamed source. Until it comes from the mouth of Schefter, Mort or Glazer, I'm not buying it.[/quote]

I agree. There should be a rule that BR is not allowed to be cited in anyway as a source for potential personnel moves.

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[quote=mbedner3420;874932]I agree. [B]There should be a rule that BR is not allowed to be cited in anyway as a source for potential personnel moves.[/B][/quote]

I second this.

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Seriously, I never even bother clicking on a BR link.

I always picture some 12 year old kid writing those "articles".

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Bleecher is good for mock drafts, that involve no inside info or knowledge just pure guessing. Its all pictures.

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[quote=Mattyk;874949]Seriously, I never even bother clicking on a BR link.

I always picture some 12 year old kid writing those "articles".[/quote]

[IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110312204607/simpsons/images/thumb/3/3a/KIDZNEWZ.jpg/180px-KIDZNEWZ.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;874951][IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110312204607/simpsons/images/thumb/3/3a/KIDZNEWZ.jpg/180px-KIDZNEWZ.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

exactly lol

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Good breakdown of QBs by Wes Bunting from NFP...

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ranking-the-Drafts-Top-10-Quarterback-Prospects.html]Ranking the Draft’s Top 10 Quarterback Prospects | National Football Post[/url]

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Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/url]

[quote]if the colts shop payton manning what type of market is there for him and could they get a 1st round pick for him?

Mel Kiper-
He's going to be free. It seems like they're going to keep him or cut him loose. If they cut him loose then it looks like Washington might be a team to make a big play after him. But he's coming off a big injury. There is some risk there. He's been in the league since 1998 and he's coming off a big neck injury.[/quote]

[quote]What's your best guess as to how Washington will approach fixing the QB position?

Mel Kiper-
Peyton Manning is the big option. You keep hearing they make a push for him. Mike Shanahan can't afford to misfire on another QB. His evaluation of QBs has been shaky. They went out to get McNabb. He gave the job to Rex Grossman. They went with John Beck. That all didn't work. Do they go after Matt Flynn? They might not go after him. RGIII in the draft is someone they'd have to move up to get. AFter him, there's no one else to go get. Mike Shanahan needs to start winning some games.[/quote]


This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


I would do back flips over this scenario.

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[quote=SmootSmack;872634]There have been a lot of names floating around re: the next Redskins QB so I thought I'd just take a moment here to sort of refresh the discussion and summarize what I've heard.

Reminder: This is only about what I've heard. And remember things change. Also, this isn't about some of the later round prospects they have been scouting like Harnish or Dominique Davis

[B]Current QBs[/B]

[I]Rex Grossman:[/I] They've been working on a 1-2 year deal, but talks have stalled. But that may be because both sides decided to just hold off further talk until the offseason. I know there are other teams that have expressed interest in Rex (to the surprise of many I'm sure) as a veteran backup.

[I]John Beck:[/I] Gone, but don't be too surprised if he stays through most of training camp. Particularly if Grossman goes elsewhere

[I]Jonathan Crompton:[/I] Likely gone

[B]Free Agents [/B](only those who have been linked to the Redskins):

[I]Kyle Orton:[/I] I'm actually not totally sure he's a FA, but the Redskins aren't likely to pursue him. Have heard the Jets are a possibility for KO

[I]Matt Flynn:[/I] I know his name is the hot name being tossed around and everyone is connecting him to the Redskins. But I haven't had one legit source tell me there is true interest. Maybe there is, but from all I've heard it sure doesn't sound like it

[I]Josh Johnson:[/I] Interest, but not as a starter.

[B][I]Brian Hoyer:[/I] He's Restricted, but he's a potential sleeper. Papa Shanahan likes him (I can't speak for Junior). But he might be someone to keep an eye on.[/B]

[I]Peyton Manning:[/I] None that I've heard of

[B]Trades:[/B]

[I]Jimmy Clausen:[/I] Very possible if the Panthers decide to move him. Redskins won't offer higher than a conditional 5th and he wouldn't be brought in to be the unquestioned starter. Skins have been monitoring Clausen situation since last spring when Panthers took Cam.

[I]Mark Sanchez:[/I] Rumor was smoking hot three weeks ago but has died down a bit. Not as likely to happen anymore

[I]Sam Bradford: [/I]This is probably choice #1. To figure out some way to get Bradford without giving up both their 1st and 2nd this year. No one knows that the new Rams regime is going to do, but Redskins are definitely keeping tabs on what happens there because if they can get Bradford they'll likely do just about "whatever it takes" to get him. Which is interesting, because they didn't want to 2 years ago. Though now "whatever it takes" is probably much less

[I]Colt McCoy:[/I] Have not heard of any legit Redskins interest in him.

So I think Plan A is make a run for Sam Bradford and possibly add someone like a Jimmy Clausen/Brian Hoyer. Though Hoyer may cost too much to not start him. Bradford and Clausen! Could you imagine, how silly would that be. Plan B is draft a Jones/Tannehill and someone like Grossman or Josh Johnson is the veteran/transition QB.

My gut prediction as of today...Landry Jones (I know I've been saying Tannehill but I'm honestly going back and forth on the two) and Rex returns as the backup.[/quote]

Not much discussion of Hoyer, but I agree with the assertion that he may be the Redskins' sleeper solution to the QB question:

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5463/brian-hoyer]Brian Hoyer - New England Patriots - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Shanahan and Belichick have an unusual/special relationship among NFL coaches. Hoyer has had an opportunity to learn the position under a top flite player and coach. Also, Ryan Mallett has spent a year learning the role of backup, and the Patriots have a reputation for not keeping/paying players that they really don't need. Would not shock me at all if Belichick lets Shanny have this guy for a bargain. Hoyer is a restricted free agent, as noted above.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874950]Bleecher is good for mock drafts, that involve no inside info or knowledge just pure guessing. Its all pictures.[/quote]

It's picture, but it's also a slideshow which blows.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874988]Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/url]






This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


I would do back flips over this scenario.[/quote]

Why would manning want to go from one situation where he is looking behind his back with a young QB in Indy to the same situation here?

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[quote=mbedner3420;875011]Why would manning want to go from one situation where he is looking behind his back with a young QB in Indy to the same situation here?[/quote]

Because one is a day 1 starter, the other is a developmental QB. Huge difference.

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Cowboys are scared poopless Skins are going to get RGIII

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[quote=skinsfaninok;873996]I literally don't know how any one can say they don't want rg3 after having what we had a QB the last 5 years[/quote]

5 years, you mean 20 years? With the exception of one good year by Brunell and Ferotte along the way.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;875400]5 years, you mean 20 years? With the exception of one good year by Brunell and Ferotte along the way.[/quote]

No love for Brad Johnson? Our only NFC East Championship season since Gibbs I?

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[quote=NC_Skins;874988]Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/url]






This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


I would do back flips over this scenario.[/quote]



As would I

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[quote=NC_Skins;874988]Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/url]






This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


I would do back flips over this scenario.[/quote]
This would really be the only scenario that I wouldn't hate with us bringing in Manning and Tannehill. I don't like either one of them as an independent option but I think Tannehill being at least 2 years from being an NFL starter and Manning likely having only about 3 years left at a high level, that could be a good succession plan. I'd love to see us get Blackmon, we need a playmaking WR as badly as a QB IMO. I'd favor this over any Flynn scenario and just below trading up for RGIII.

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[quote=mbedner3420;875011]Why would manning want to go from one situation where he is looking behind his back with a young QB in Indy to the same situation here?[/quote]

Not sure who that "young" QB in DC is lol? Can you fill us in?

More importantly why would Manning go to a franchise that doesn't project to be a winner any time soon. If he leave Indy it'll be for San Fran, which I think is his very best opportunity because he will win a couple SBs there, or possibly the Jets. Jets are a circus though and I'm not sure Manning wants to be a ringmaster at this point.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874950]Bleecher is good for mock drafts, that involve no inside info or knowledge just pure guessing. [B]Its all pictures[/B].[/quote]


I guess thats why i like it! They do have some good stuff, but there transactional type stuff is just pure guessing.

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i have no interest in having manning on this team. when healthy, manning runs his own offense and i dont see why he'd want to come here, especially when his old qb coach is with the jets. if mannings a free agent, he's going to sign in new york and play in the same stadium as his little brother.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;875470]i have no interest in having manning on this team. when healthy, manning runs his own offense and i dont see why he'd want to come here, especially when his old qb coach is with the jets. if mannings a free agent, he's going to sign in new york and play in the same stadium as his little brother.[/quote]

Agree...

Can you picture the "chat" between Kyle Shanahan and Peyton Manning when Kyle thinks Peyton ought to adjust his footwork or his release point?

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Why would Indy give up a healthy Manning, if they release/trade him it's because his neck injury is worse than they originally thought it was. He wouldn't want to come here and I don't want him. Give me Bradford or RGIII.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874988]Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[url=http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/url]






This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


I would do back flips over this scenario.[/quote]

I would be pissed if this Madden 12 plan went through.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;875486][B]Why would Indy give up a healthy Manning,[/B] if they release/trade him it's because his neck injury is worse than they originally thought it was. He wouldn't want to come here and I don't want him. Give me Bradford or RGIII.[/quote]

Because they were stupid and agreed to the huge contract he has. and because they don't want locker room drama which sounds like it will occur if they draft Luck. So they take the next P.Manning and get rid of the actual P.Manning.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;874988]Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper"]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/URL]






This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


[B]I would do back flips over this scenario.[/[/B]QUOTE]

What would cause you to do front flips?

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Manning would never come here. He wants more rings we are too far off for that happen in the next few years. PM will be a in a wheelchair by the time this team catches up to him.

NYJ is a perfect fit for him. Great def, weapons on O, etc...

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;875486]Why would Indy give up a healthy Manning, if they release/trade him it's because his neck injury is worse than they originally thought it was. He wouldn't want to come here and I don't want him. Give me Bradford or RGIII.[/quote]

I'm with you in thinking that Indy would only give up on Manning, contract or not, if he were damaged goods.

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[quote=SBXVII;875496][QUOTE=NC_Skins;874988]Seems that old Mel even believes we will be in play for Peyton if he's cut and healthy.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42034/football-guru-mel-kiper"]Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN[/URL]






This would be the perfect scenario.

1) Sign Peyton Manning to 3 year contract.
2) Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round.
3) Draft Foles (or Tannehill if he's available) in the 2nd round


[B]I would do back flips over this scenario.[/[/B]QUOTE]

[I][B]What would cause you to do front flips?[/B][/I][/quote]

Andrew Luck with the 6th pick.

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I beleive this question was asked before why would you trade a QB within your Division the QB must of lost it Indy to Jets. Didn't the shegles trade DMc to us and I think for the most part we can agree he has lost that IT factor. I think we should use the same knowledge something is wrong with PM we should stay away from him.

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[quote=mredskins;875499]Manning would never come here. He wants more rings we are too far off for that happen in the next few years. PM will be a in a wheelchair by the time this team catches up to him.

NYJ is a perfect fit for him. Great def, weapons on O, etc...[/quote]

Um, I don't think we are that far off. I'd venture to say the Jets are farther off then the Skins. Our problem is on the offensive side of the ball and at Safety. Our OL started playing better by the end of the year, the RB's were getting yards pretty good, We beat the Giants twice.... who by the way is still in the playoffs.

We pick up a really good smart QB and maybe another WR or two, a SS and FS and I think we are doing well.

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[quote=SBXVII;875504]Um, I don't think we are that far off. I'd venture to say the Jets are farther off then the Skins. Our problem is on the offensive side of the ball and at Safety. Our OL started playing better by the end of the year, the RB's were getting yards pretty good, We beat the Giants twice.... who by the way is still in the playoffs.

We pick up a really good smart QB and maybe another WR or two, a SS and FS and I think we are doing well.[/quote]


If you think the current Redskins are in better shape then the Jets, man I have waterfront property in AZ to sell you.

Look at STL or CLE that is how the rest of the league sees us.

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[quote=mredskins;875509][B]If you think the current Redskins are in better shape then the Jets[/B], man I have waterfront property in AZ to sell you.

Look at STL or CLE that is how the rest of the league sees us.[/quote]

If you think the Jets player, moral, locker room and coaching situation are in better shape than the Skins......I have some of the same for you.......

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[quote=Hog1;875515]If you think the Jets player, moral, locker room and coaching situation are in better shape than the Skins......I have some of the same for you.......[/quote]

Sure we will see who does better next year. Don't beleive what the media shovels you.

Why do folks have such a hard time understanding we have a bad time (getting better) but still bad.

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Perhaps the understanding dilemma is one of.......your own