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[quote=mbedner3420;880905]Any more news about how the Luck/Bradford trades are coming along? Have talks/interested heated up/cooled down?[/quote]

Nothing new

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[quote=SmootSmack;880485]30 some years old coming off back surgery. Going to be tough for him[/quote]

Didn't know about back surgery? Makes more sense to me now Jax dumped him and no one picked him up...

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I'd like to see us find a "cheap" solution to QB that isn't Rex, Beck or some other goofball. IDK who fits the bill per se, but I'd look first at UFAs. Hell, don't even care if the contract is large in $$, but I just don't want to see us trade any picks/players. Risk/reward is too sketchy based on 1) the last two years of the regime 2) realistic expectations of the next two years under the regime.

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This is why theoretically Manning to DC would be "perfect" if the Colts released him. But again there's absolutely no reason for Manning to want to come here.

What other QBs will/could be FAs or even UDFAs?

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Genius for the skins would be to sign manning, trade up for luck or rg3, let them battle for it in training camp, if Peyton requests to leave, trade him!!!

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[quote=The Goat;880924]This is why theoretically Manning to DC would be "perfect" if the Colts released him. But again there's absolutely no reason for Manning to want to come here.

What other QBs will/could be FAs or even UDFAs?[/quote]

You say there's no reason for Manning for to come here, I say Manning could potentially look at Shanny's success with an old Elway and see that as reasoning to come here.

But either way if Manning was a free agent, the only way I'd want him to come here and fill the void was if the guy we hopefully draft wasn't ready to start from day one.

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[quote=mooby;880927]You say there's no reason for Manning for to come here, I say Manning could potentially look at Shanny's success with an old Elway and see that as reasoning to come here.

But either way if Manning was a free agent, the only way I'd want him to come here and fill the void was if the guy we hopefully draft wasn't ready to start from day one.[/quote]

Denver also had a pretty stacked team those years... Which the Redskins don't have.

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[quote=mooby;880927]You say there's no reason for Manning for to come here, I say Manning could potentially look at Shanny's success with an old Elway and see that as reasoning to come here.

But either way if Manning was a free agent, the only way I'd want him to come here and fill the void was if the guy we hopefully draft wasn't ready to start from day one.[/quote]

That's a good point, but it could also be a clash of egos/styles. Manning has been running the same O for years & has such a command of it. Would the Shannys give him the kind of pre-snap flexibility he's used to? You would think they'd adjust some things for him, but we saw w/McNabb that they wanted things done a certain way.

I know Peyton is totally different, I still see the potential for a system misfit that would again set the team back & create more drama. Hopefully, he retires. Smoot's early info about the skins not being that interested, makes sense to me. I think in some ways getting Manning would be more of a risk for Shanny than drafting a qb early.

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[quote=mbedner3420;880928]Denver also had a pretty stacked team those years... Which the Redskins don't have.[/quote]

This.

Today's niners = broncos w/ Mike and Elway those two years. Manning could also win the Lombardi w/ Ravens or maybe Jets.

Def not Skins lol

Probability of Mike S winning another SB is less than a Ron Paul presidency...

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[quote=mbedner3420;880928]Denver also had a pretty stacked team those years... Which the Redskins don't have.[/quote]

Well duh, but I'm just saying there's at least one reason Manning might want to come here.

[QUOTE=Pigskins;880925]Genius for the skins would be to sign manning, trade up for luck or rg3, let them battle for it in training camp, if Peyton requests to leave, trade him!!![/QUOTE]

If the skins sign Manning they assume he'll play for 3 years at least so I doubt we'd also take a qb high

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880680]I see them drafting Blackmon or Richardson giving McCoy another year and possibly signing a FA QB to backup Colt.[/quote]

I just dont see drafting Richardson as part of Cleveland's plan. They are trying to re-sign Hillis, so it seems more logical that they would focus early draft choice on something other than a running back.

[QUOTE=redskin29633;881017]I just dont see drafting Richardson as part of Cleveland's plan. They are trying to re-sign Hillis, so it seems more logical that they would focus early draft choice on something other than a running back.[/QUOTE]

Is this the same Hillis that was a pain all season for them?

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.

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[quote=Ruhskins;881051]Is this the same Hillis that was a pain all season for them?

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/quote]

Yep. That's him.

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So I was listening to Mike and Mike today and they had Two Tall Jones on, they asked him who were the QB's he hated to play against, basically knew his work would be cut out for him and his response was... Frank Tarkenton, Joe Theismann... etc etc. Basically said he didn't like the scrambling QB's.

Which also got me thinking ... maybe we are going about our QB position all wrong, our last FRANCHISE QB was Theismann and he came to the Skins as a kick returner. So lets go get a 6' + kick returner and make him a QB. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;881089]So I was listening to Mike and Mike today and they had [B]Two Tall Jones [/B]on, they asked him who were the QB's he hated to play against, basically knew his work would be cut out for him and his response was... Frank Tarkenton, Joe Theismann... etc etc. Basically said he didn't like the scrambling QB's.

Which also got me thinking ... maybe we are going about our QB position all wrong, our last FRANCHISE QB was Theismann and he came to the Skins as a kick returner. So lets go get a 6' + kick returner and make him a QB. lol.[/quote]

That's Ed "[U]Too[/U] Tall" Jones, as in too tall to play football. The label stuck as a nickname.

Theismann came to the Skins as a QB but he was stuck behind Jurgensen and Kilmer on the depth chart. He was so anxious to play football that he begged his way onto the field as a punt returner. He also punted once, with disastrous results.

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[quote=SBXVII;881089]So I was listening to Mike and Mike today and they had Two Tall Jones on, they asked him who were the QB's he hated to play against, basically knew his work would be cut out for him and his response was... Frank Tarkenton, Joe Theismann... etc etc. Basically said he didn't like the scrambling QB's.

Which also got me thinking ... maybe we are going about our QB position all wrong, our last FRANCHISE QB was Theismann and he came to the Skins as a kick returner. So lets go get a 6' + kick returner and make him a QB. lol.[/quote]

It's hard believe just back in the 70's and 80's, you had quarterbacks doing more than just quarterbacking the team. Just like Danny White serving as punter for the Cowboys as well as quarterback. You would think it would have made the other team's special teams think fake on every punting down.

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[quote=SBXVII;881089]So I was listening to Mike and Mike today and they had Two Tall Jones on, they asked him who were the QB's he hated to play against, basically knew his work would be cut out for him and his response was... Frank Tarkenton, Joe Theismann... etc etc. Basically said he didn't like the scrambling QB's.

Which also got me thinking ... maybe we are going about our QB position all wrong, our last FRANCHISE QB was Theismann and he came to the Skins as a kick returner. So lets go get a 6' + kick returner and make him a QB. lol.[/quote]

How about a 6+ who used to play wide receiver and make him an NFL QB and rhymes with Benadryl? :)

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Ok here's hopefully my last crazy/funny idea.... lets take B.Banks and coach him up to play QB and beef up the OL. The way I see it.... defenses can't hit below the knees, can't hit helmet to helmet, so what are the 6' 300 pound DL's going to grab? and maybe if he crouches down so his helmet is at his knees then they really can't touch him. lol. Then we can use the Wild Cat more and B.Banks will have a bigger role in the offense and we don't have to worry about his small frame getting injured. lol.

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Manning may be a fit for Kyle Shannahan offense. Matt Schaub is a downgraded version of Payton

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Manning[I][U][B] if[/B][/U][/I] healthy is a fit for [I]any[/I] offense.

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[quote=Higskin;881130]How about a 6+ who used to play wide receiver and make him an NFL QB and rhymes with Benadryl? :)[/quote]

Griffinadryl? I didn't know RGIII used to play WR.

Sign Peyton Manninadryl?

Trade for Big Benadryl?

Perhaps I should try againadryl.

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[quote=30gut;881140]Manning[I][U][B] if[/B][/U][/I] healthy is a fit for [I]any[/I] offense.[/quote]

Here's my only issue with Manning and it was brought up on Mike and Mike today while they were talking to the old Ravens HC Billick, basically said there are two knocks against Peyton from the start;

1- he will not have done any playing in over a year and a half.
2- no matter where he goes he will have to learn the verbage and plays.

He said what makes Peyton so good is the fact he was in the same system for so long that he would go into the meetings and basically take over and tell the OL what he wanted them to do and tell the WR's what he wanted them to do and had all those years in the same system to work on the hand signs and signals. Where ever Peyton goes next probably won't be as effective atleast for 2 yrs.

I like Peyton and want him here and would love to see him succeed but I honestly think he's done and would hope that if he's declared done then he wouldn't mind staying on as an assistant to work up the coaching ranks. I could see him and KS planning plays together, Peyton coaching up the QB's and helping out with signals and signs here.

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[quote=30gut;881140]Manning[I][U][B] if[/B][/U][/I] healthy is a fit for [I]any[/I] offense.[/quote]

sure, but I wouldn't underestimate the learning curve in a new system. I'm not just talking about the learning curve for him, but also for all the other guys that haven't played w/him & his new coaches. The older a player is the more difficult it is mentally to make the transition.

I could easily see how a perfectly healthy Manning at 36 could go to a new team & really struggle, maybe due to little fault of his. He's had such a command of his team for so long & his success has hinged largely on his constant pre-snap calls & communication to his teamates. To come in & get a new team on the same page w/him while he is also learning a new system might be more of a task than most of us think. It might take a year to get in sync, but the guy's physical ability is likely to be declining even if he's healthy.

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[quote=SBXVII;881171]Here's my only issue with Manning and it was brought up on Mike and Mike today while they were talking to the old Ravens HC Billick, basically said there are two knocks against Peyton from the start;

1- he will not have done any playing in over a year and a half.
2- no matter where he goes he will have to learn the verbage and plays.

He said what makes Peyton so good is the fact he was in the same system for so long that he would go into the meetings and basically take over and tell the OL what he wanted them to do and tell the WR's what he wanted them to do and had all those years in the same system to work on the hand signs and signals. Where ever Peyton goes next probably won't be as effective atleast for 2 yrs.

I like Peyton and want him here and would love to see him succeed but I honestly think he's done and would hope that if he's declared done then he wouldn't mind staying on as an assistant to work up the coaching ranks. I could see him and KS planning plays together, Peyton coaching up the QB's and helping out with signals and signs here.[/quote]

you posted while I was writing mine! Some of the same points I made. Plus, please don't anyone compare Farve & his last good year in Minnesota to Manning. Totally different style, Manning is a perfectionist & control freak that needs total command of the offense in order to play his game.

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[quote=freddyg12;881172]sure, but I wouldn't underestimate the learning curve in a new system. I'm not just talking about the learning curve for him, but also for all the other guys that haven't played w/him & his new coaches. The older a player is the more difficult it is mentally to make the transition.

I could easily see how a perfectly healthy Manning at 36 could go to a new team & really struggle, maybe due to little fault of his. He's had such a command of his team for so long & his success has hinged largely on his constant pre-snap calls & communication to his teamates. To come in & get a new team on the same page w/him while he is also learning a new system might be more of a task than most of us think. It might take a year to get in sync, but the guy's physical ability is likely to be declining even if he's healthy.[/quote]

Yes exactly my point. I think the QB's that might do best in your scenario are the journeyman QB's who have learned how to cram for their next exam/team. I would think players who have been with one team over a long period of time might struggle, ie; McNabb.

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"Come on Man" - to the guys who don't think he can learn a new scheme?

Peyton is coming from one of the most difficult offensive systems, will never be out done in the film room, out studied or out schemed. Calls plays at the line of scrimmage, calls all the protections, calls out blocking and can change a play in the same breath.

It's up to the coaches to decide but he certainly deserves a look and from about 25 other teams in the league as well.

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Personally I don't think Peyton Manning will be physically able nor do I think it would be wise for him to play football; so for me its kinda a moot point.

But, [I][B][U]if[/U][/B][/I] healthy Peyton is a one man show as far as passing game goes.
Imo it makes little to no sense to ask Peyton to learn [I][B]your[/B][/I] passing game because what are the odds its gonna be better then Peyton's?

If you sign Peyton you sign on for the whole show, you meet him halfway at least.
Peyton installs [I]his[/I] offense, Peyton will have near total control of the passing game.
No one works harder at teaching the system as Peyton himself.
We've heard the reports of Peyton going to meet and teach young WRs the offense as evidenced by his work with Gonzalez, Garcon, Collie etc.
I'm sure Peyton and the OC can put their heads together and figure out how to translate Peyton's offense into the verbiage of his new team's language.

If he's healthy Peyton is going to be Peyton.

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^ I said bring him in. Lets kick the tires as long as he's cut and we don't have to trade players or picks to get him. I would hope his work habits would run off on whoever is sitting behind him on the roster. If healthy he'd have to be 50% better then what we already have.

But on this issue I'm a skeptic. I thinks he's done and would love to have him here in order to be able to offer (when the time came) a coaching job to work with the young guns down the road.

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I think that the Redskins are actually going to end up with Kyle Orton and possibly even resign Rex Grossman. We don't have any firepower to get Bradford or Luck.....

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;881172]I could easily see how a perfectly healthy Manning at 36 could go to a new team & really struggle,[/QUOTE]Gotta disagree with you on this one bro.
I can't imagine a 100% healthy Peyton Manning struggling.

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[quote=Higskin;881185]"Come on Man" - to the guys who don't think he can learn a new scheme?

Peyton is coming from one of the most difficult offensive systems, will never be out done in the film room, out studied or out schemed. Calls plays at the line of scrimmage, calls all the protections, calls out blocking and can change a play in the same breath.

It's up to the coaches to decide but he certainly deserves a look and from about 25 other teams in the league as well.[/quote]

"Come on Man" right back at cha!

I stated that it's not all just about Peyton, it's about him learning a new system AND his teamates & coaches adapting to him. He had full control it appeared in Indy for all those years. Can't assume he would have that here or anywhere else. The coaching staff & players would have to adjust to him as well. He's no spring chicken either, how much change would you want to bring upon your organization for a 36 year old? Better in the long run to do that w/a rookie.

As for him coming in & being given full 'control' over the offense, how would that be for team morale? I'm sure Shanny would adapt some things to fit Peyton, but coaching staffs don't gut their entire system for a player unless they're hiring a new coordinator.

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Peyton not gonna be the same player he was on the Colts if we get him here, if he would be, the Colts wouldnt let him go.

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[quote=RexKelly;881194]I think that the Redskins are actually going to end up with Kyle Orton and possibly even resign Rex Grossman. We don't have any firepower to get Bradford or Luck.....[/quote]

Is your name actually Rex Kelly or are you just dreaming of a Rex Grossman to Malcolm Kelly connection that never was?

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[quote=RexKelly;881194]I think that the Redskins are actually going to end up with Kyle Orton and possibly even resign Rex Grossman. [B]We don't have any firepower to get Bradford or Luck[/B].....[/quote]

All you need is draft picks.

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[quote=Mattyk;881211]All you need is draft picks.[/quote]

True dat. And/or Orakpo.

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Just have the Giants sign Peyton to back up Eli and call it a day.

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[quote=Mattyk;881211]All you need is draft picks.[/quote]

But do you give up the 3 high round picks to get him?

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[quote=freddyg12;881201]...but coaching staffs don't gut their entire system for a player unless they're hiring a new coordinator.[/quote]If its for a [I][B]healthy[/B][/I] Peyton Manning you do.
Manning would be the de facto passing game coordinator.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;881213]Just have the Giants sign Peyton to back up Eli and call it a day.[/quote]

Or just hire Peyton as the head coach since Giant fans are so dissapointed with the job Coughlin is doing.