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[quote=NC_Skins;988736]So you mean that WR who let the ball deflect off his hands for a INT/TD didn't let Manning down? You mean a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL (#4 in PPG defense) gave up 31 points to a shitty Ravens offense didn't let Manning down? It's obvious you didn't even bother watching the game, but decided to add your Goat commentary.

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Some of you have you head buried in the sand. This is like when Brett Favre got blamed for that loss against the Saints for his INT, but yet Adrian Peterson fumbled the ball 3 times (twice within the 5 yard line). BRETT CHOKE!!....lol Amazing how illogical some people can be.[/quote]

The two dumbass DBs that forgot that Jacoby Jones has blazing speed and let him get by them definitely let Manning down.

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Facts are facts, Peyton hasnt been able to get it done like Brady has or even Eli. It does matter, playoffs your suppose to elavate your game. The greats alway elevate their game.

Those clutch stats are tough to deal with, just ask Cowboy fans.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988755]Just stop. I showed you were their playoff career QB rating is equal. If Manning had just as many games as Brady did, I'm sure his TD (and INTs) would be much greater. Again, when you have a shitty defense, you have to carry the team.



...and continue saying the WR didn't let the ball hit his hands and bounce up. It did. Even the commentator said that Peyton put the ball right were he supposed to.[/quote]

The commentator said he thought it should have been pass interference. I remember that specific play. You can clearly see Brown got hand on that pass and there was little to no chance Stokley was going to catch it. It was a dangerous high risk pass, Manning should have put the ball low and away so that the defender had no chance of making a play, he but the ball high and made Stokley slow down on the play, hence why he was slowing down and the defender ran into him. The pass was a high risk low reward pass with good coverage, they would not have even gotten the first down. Again you can say it was pass interference, but to say that was a good pass and it was Stokley's fault would be incorrect.

Seeing that Manning already had more interceptions than Brady in playoff games while playing less games and he would increase that total actually proves my point further.

So this year he gets a good defense statistically while his defense plays poorly in the playoffs and he loses.

Before that his defense played well in the playoffs but was bad statistically and he loses.

But no matter what its on the defense.

He has led one game winning drive his entire career in the playoffs. But has been given the opportunity to do so 8 times. Guess who has the same amount of game winning drives... Tim Tebow... who by the way took pretty much this exact same roster to the same point in the playoffs last year.

Like I said this game is not entirely on Manning, but it is my opinion that a quarterbacks job is to put his team in the best position to win a game, not to necessarily win it for you but to make sure you set up the team to be in a position to win the game. Peyton Manning did not do that this past game and has repeatedly come up short in doing so in the playoffs. In the playoffs Brady has done so repeatedly.

Some fans like Peyton Manning, some like Tom Brady, its an opinion because they both will go down as top 5 quarterbacks of all time.

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[quote=donofriose;988777]The commentator said he thought it should have been pass interference. I remember that specific play. You can clearly see Brown got hand on that pass and there was little to no chance Stokley was going to catch it. It was a dangerous high risk pass, Manning should have put the ball low and away so that the defender had no chance of making a play, he but the ball high and made Stokley slow down on the play, hence why he was slowing down and the defender ran into him. The pass was a high risk low reward pass with good coverage, they would not have even gotten the first down. Again you can say it was pass interference, but to say that was a good pass and it was Stokley's fault would be incorrect.

Seeing that Manning already had more interceptions than Brady in playoff games while playing less games and he would increase that total actually proves my point further.

So this year he gets a good defense statistically while his defense plays poorly in the playoffs and he loses.

Before that his defense played well in the playoffs but was bad statistically and he loses.

But no matter what its on the defense.

He has led one game winning drive his entire career in the playoffs. But has been given the opportunity to do so 8 times. Guess who has the same amount of game winning drives... Tim Tebow... who by the way took pretty much this exact same roster to the same point in the playoffs last year.

Like I said this game is not entirely on Manning, but[B] it is my opinion that a quarterbacks job is to put his team in the best position to win a game[/B], not to necessarily win it for you but to make sure you set up the team to be in a position to win the game.[B] Peyton Manning did not do that[/B] this past game and has repeatedly come up short in doing so in the playoffs. In the playoffs Brady has done so repeatedly.

Some fans like Peyton Manning, some like Tom Brady, its an opinion because they both will go down as top 5 quarterbacks of all time.[/quote]

You keep saying this, but his team had the lead with 1:09 on the clock and the Ravens needed to go 77 yards. If Rahim Moore properly plays a ball in the air, the Broncos win. He put his team in a position to win the game, then they let him down. Then, in the 2nd OT, he let his team down, however that never should have happened. I honestly can't see how people are saying Manning cost his team the game. He put them in a position to win and they should have.

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[quote=jdlea;988787]You keep saying this, but his team had the lead with 1:09 on the clock and the Ravens needed to go 77 yards. If Rahim Moore properly plays a ball in the air, the Broncos win. He put his team in a position to win the game, then they let him down. Then, in the 2nd OT, he let his team down, however that never should have happened. I honestly can't see how people are saying Manning cost his team the game. He put them in a position to win and they should have.[/quote]just like wilson put his team in a position to win.

his team had the lead w 31 seconds left, but atl had 2 timeouts and made it happen

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[quote=los panda;988788]just like wilson put his team in a position to win.

his team had the lead w 31 seconds left, but atl had 2 timeouts and made it happen[/quote]

Right, I think Russell Wilson did enough to win that game. Also, there was that first half ending on them and poor decision to go for it on 4th and 1 that helped cost them the game, but Wilson put his team in a position to win.

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[quote=Chico23231;988775]Facts are facts, Peyton hasnt been able to get it done like Brady has or even Eli. It does matter, playoffs your suppose to elavate your game. The greats alway elevate their game.

Those clutch stats are tough to deal with, just ask Cowboy fans.[/quote]


So how is Brady's game elevated if both of their career playoff QB rating is the same? (86) If both of their ratings are the same, it would tell me there are other underlining issues why one's record was good and the other one was bad.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988736]So you mean that WR who let the ball deflect off his hands for a INT/TD didn't let Manning down? You mean a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL (#4 in PPG defense) gave up 31 points to a shitty Ravens offense didn't let Manning down? It's obvious you didn't even bother watching the game, but decided to add your Goat commentary.

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Some of you have you head buried in the sand. This is like when Brett Favre got blamed for that loss against the Saints for his INT, but yet Adrian Peterson fumbled the ball 3 times (twice within the 5 yard line). BRETT CHOKE!!....lol Amazing how illogical some people can be.[/quote]

Its amazing that you can say such stupid and unfactual things while accusing others of having their heads in the sand.

The Raven's offense was 10th in the NFL in points scored, averaging 25 points per game. I wouldnt call that "sh!tty." I actually watched the entire game and it was probably the most exciting playoff game i've seen in recent memory. you can criticizie the broncos defense all you want, but its offense (with manning as its quarterback) is what lost this game. The Broncos offense ranked 2nd in the NFL in points this year, averaging over 30 points per game. Yet Manning only lead 3 scoring drives (for 21 points) in 5 quarters of football against the NFLs 17th ranked defense. You shrug away one of Mannings interceptions of not being his fault because the ball was tipped - well, that happens to every NFL quarterback. Ultimately, Manning made the decision to throw a tippable ball, so thats why that INT was his fault. The fumble and 2nd INT in overtime were inexcusable.

I'm not saying that Manning is not a great quarterback. He is - but he, like many other broncos players - had a sub-par game against the Ravens. In a passing league, the quarterback is the most important player on a team. Manning is the clear MVP on the team (and arguably in the entire league), so its logical that his play - whether good or bad - has more of an impact on a game's outcome than any of the other players on the team.

Mannings play wasnt the only reason the Bronco's lost the game, but it was the biggest reason.

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[quote=jdlea;988789]Right, I think Russell Wilson did enough to win that game. Also, there was that first half ending on them and poor decision to go for it on 4th and 1 that helped cost them the game, but Wilson put his team in a position to win.[/quote]

Wilson played an exceptional game. I dont think you could have asked a QB to play much better than he did. He elevated his play as the season progressed, and continued to do so in the post-season.

Atlanta's last second field goal which won the game really could have gone either way. If it had missed, the story would be completely different now. In that game, i'd say both QB's played well when they needed to.

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Baltimore offense 16th in NFL in yards.

Baltimore's scoring in road games this year (23,9,13,25,13,16,28,17)

Their scoring is a bit inflated by the blowouts against Oakland and Bengals (44,55) at home.



As I said, Baltimore's shitty offense. It is shitty because it is inconsistent as hell. If they aren't playing at home, they generally blow balls. Providing of course they don't have the Redskins defense to play.

There is a reason their offensive coordinator got fired 2 games before the season ended. It's NOT because their offense was effective. Jesus man....lol

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[quote=jdlea;988787]You keep saying this, but his team had the lead with 1:09 on the clock and the Ravens needed to go 77 yards. If Rahim Moore properly plays a ball in the air, the Broncos win. He put his team in a position to win the game, then they let him down. Then, in the 2nd OT, he let his team down, however that never should have happened. I honestly can't see how people are saying Manning cost his team the game. He put them in a position to win and they should have.[/quote]

Because he did not put his team in that position, the Broncos special teams did. The reason that game was even close was because of Special Teams, not because of the mediocre play of Manning. Infact, Manning was one of the reasons that game was still close at the end, the pic 6 and fumble gave the Ravens amazing opportunity to make the game closer than it should. If the team had 2 returns for a touchdown you should not lose that game, unless you are Rex Grossman.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988790]So how is Brady's game elevated if both of their career playoff QB rating is the same? (86) If both of their ratings are the same, it would tell me there are other underlining issues why one's record was good and the other one was bad.[/quote]

Stats are crazy arent they? One thing Brady hasnt done is beat Peyton's brother who hasnt proven to be more clutch than both. Some people just perform better under stress...they rise to the occasion.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988804]Baltimore offense 16th in NFL in yards.

Baltimore's scoring in road games this year (23,9,13,25,13,16,28,17)

Their scoring is a bit inflated by the blowouts against Oakland and Bengals (44,55) at home.



As I said, Baltimore's shitty offense. It is shitty because it is inconsistent as hell. If they aren't playing at home, they generally blow balls. Providing of course they don't have the Redskins defense to play.

There is a reason their offensive coordinator got fired 2 games before the season ended. It's NOT because their offense was effective. Jesus man....lol[/quote]

Baltimore has a history of playing the Pats tough. And they have a bone to pick with the Pats from last year's AFC Championship game. I still think the Pats are going to win this (and win it all), but I don't think it'll be a cakewalk for them.

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[quote=donofriose;988806]Because he did not put his team in that position, the Broncos special teams did. The reason that game was even close was because of Special Teams, not because of the mediocre play of Manning. Infact, Manning was one of the reasons that game was still close at the end, the pic 6 and fumble gave the Ravens amazing opportunity to make the game closer than it should. If the team had 2 returns for a touchdown you should not lose that game, unless you are Rex Grossman.[/quote]

Fair enough. I can see your point. He did throw 3 touchdown passes, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988804]Baltimore offense 16th in NFL in yards.[/quote]

who cares about total yards? Points are the only thing that matters.


[quote=] Baltimore's scoring in road games this year (23,9,13,25,13,16,28,17)

Their scoring is a bit inflated by the blowouts against Oakland and Bengals (44,55) at home.

As I said, Baltimore's shitty offense. It is shitty because it is inconsistent as hell. If they aren't playing at home, they generally blow balls. Providing of course they don't have the Redskins defense to play.

There is a reason their offensive coordinator got fired 2 games before the season ended. It's NOT because their offense was effective. Jesus man....lol[/quote]


The "disclaimers" you use to call some of the Ravens wins "inflated" apply even moreso to the Broncos.

The Broncos had the easiest schedule in the league last year. They only played 4 teams with a winning record all year. Do you know how many of those games they won? one. ONE.

Yet you somehow think that there was reason to expect the Broncos to roll over the Ravens, who were playing very good football and playing on an emotional high with Ray Lewis on his last superbowl run? Please. The Broncos were overrated to begin with.

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[quote=Chico23231;988809]Stats are crazy arent they? One thing Brady hasnt done is beat Peyton's brother who hasnt proven to be more clutch than both. Some people just perform better under stress...they rise to the occasion.[/quote]

I know right? You know who's more clutch than Tom Brady? Adam Vinateri. If Brady has Suisham or Cundiff as a kicker, do you really think he has any of those super bowls? Would we be talking about how great Tom is? I think we both know the answer to that....lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;988804]Baltimore offense 16th in NFL in yards.

Baltimore's scoring in road games this year (23,9,13,25,13,16,28,17)

Their scoring is a bit inflated by the blowouts against Oakland and Bengals (44,55) at home.



As I said, Baltimore's shitty offense. It is shitty because it is inconsistent as hell. If they aren't playing at home, they generally blow balls. Providing of course they don't have the Redskins defense to play.

There is a reason their offensive coordinator got fired 2 games before the season ended. It's NOT because their offense was effective. Jesus man....lol[/quote]

Cris Carter made a point about Flacco's long throws, he called them 50/50 passes. Gotta give their receivers a lot of credit for great catches. The throws if your just evaluating them as throws were not great decisions or even good placement. I think everyone on Denver did just enough to lose the game though.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988817]who cares about total yards? Points are the only thing that matters. [/quote]

.....and yet you posted the Ravens defense rank in yards, not points. lol

They were 12th in PPG defense, but the were in the top 10 prior to our game and Denver's that following week.




[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988817]Yet you somehow think that there was reason to expect the Broncos to roll over the Ravens, who were playing very good football and playing on an emotional high with Ray Lewis on his last superbowl run? Please. The Broncos were overrated to begin with.[/quote]


I didn't expect them to roll over the Ravens. I knew they would be playing hard for Ray Lewis, but I expected Flacco to struggle on the road. I didn't expect Denver's defense to crap the bed the way they did. I didn't expect a safety to get beat on the one thing he couldn't positively be beat on. Watching that play was like watching Williams blowing that Victor Cruz coverage during that early Giants game. What I did expect is John Fox to be conservative just like he's always been. If he does that again next year, he's gone, no matter how much Elway backs him up on that decision. They didn't pay the man 95 million to take a knee when the game could be won. I've seen the man win too many games under a minute.



Take note that this same Denver team thumped Baltimore at their own home just few weeks prior.

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