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[quote=RedskinRat;1057316]Did JR state "Science, however, has most certainly been used to justify racism". He did. So you're saying he's free to change the meaning of what was said [B]to suit an argument he's losing[/B]. [/quote]

An argument I was losing?!?! There you go knocking chess pieces over again. I'll probably find a steamer on my kitchen floor too.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1057329]An argument I was losing?!?! There you go knocking chess pieces over again. I'll probably find a steamer on my kitchen floor too.[/quote]

It's in the corner, you won't spot it until it's dried.

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Catholics......

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[URL="http://www.news.va/en/news/communication-at-the-service-of-an-authentic-cultu"]Pope Francis calls Internet ‘a gift from God’[/URL]

[I]The internet, in particular, offers immense possibilities for encounter and solidarity. This is something truly good, a gift from God.


[/I]Another thing god didn't do. LOL[IMG]http://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/426799338371960832[/IMG]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057338][URL="http://www.news.va/en/news/communication-at-the-service-of-an-authentic-cultu"]Pope Francis calls Internet ‘a gift from God’[/URL]

[I]The internet, in particular, offers immense possibilities for encounter and solidarity. This is something truly good, a gift from God.[/I]


Another thing god didn't do. LOL[IMG]http://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/426799338371960832[/IMG][/quote]

???

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So this is your God ....

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[quote=Giantone;1057349]So this is your God ....

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I'm an Atheist, I don't need one.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1057329]An argument I was losing?!?! There you go knocking chess pieces over again. I'll probably find a steamer on my kitchen floor too.[/quote]

You're trying to make Science = Religion or Religion = Science.

This will help you understand the difference:

[URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-religion-is-natural-and-science-is-not/201308/the-ultimate-conflict-between-science-and-rel"]Why Religion Is Natural and Science Is Not [/URL]

[I]Humans are naturally inclined to look to agents, their states of mind, and their actions as the bases for explanations. Such inclinations of mind importantly contribute to the attraction of religions and to the attraction of religious explanations – explanations not only of matters of social and psychological import but of the origins and foundational principles of the cosmos.[/I]

And

[I]Although not typically recognized as such, the emergence of the cognitive and brain sciences over the past fifty years marks the beginning of on-going scientific enterprises that often eschew explanatory appeals to agency and intentionality in us! This is not to suggest that contemporary social, cognitive, or even brain science has ceased to refer to agents and their mental states, but only to say that the broader trend is clear within these sciences and within modern science more generally.[/I]
[I] Critics of religion have usually underestimated the cleverness and creativity with which new generations of theologians have managed scientific challenges, but the historical pattern to which I am pointing may signal far greater challenges ahead. Accommodationist theologies that abandon all reference to agents are unlikely to have much popular appeal. [/I]

Science doesn't tell you that your choices will condemn you to a painful or pleasant afterlife dependent on your adherence to some choices made in this life. Science is pure, it has no bias.

Is that what your secondary argument was supposed to explain, JR?
[URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why-religion-is-natural-and-science-is-not/201308/the-ultimate-conflict-between-science-and-rel"][/URL]

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[quote=Giantone;1057348]???[/quote]

It's like when a surgeon performs lifesaving surgery on someone and people call it a miracle. Give the surgeon credit for his or her hours of education and effort and let the superstitious nonsense stay in your empty little head.

I was actually baiting JR on the Internet story, but he's more sensible sometimes than I thought.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057351]You're trying to make Science = Religion or Religion = Science.[/quote]

Nope. Just blatantly wrong. Your inability to grasp the precepts of rhetorical logic is stunning.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057352]It's like when a surgeon performs lifesaving surgery on someone and people call it a miracle. Give the surgeon credit for his or her hours of education and effort and let the superstitious nonsense stay in your empty little head.

[B]I was actually baiting JR on the Internet story, but he's more sensible sometimes than I thought[/B].[/quote]

I am the essence of sensibleness.

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Is this really surprising? I think not.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1057370]Nope. Just blatantly wrong. Your inability to grasp the precepts of rhetorical logic is stunning.[/quote]

Then we'll agree that your explanation was inefficient, communication is key.

What '[I]just blatantly wrong[/I]' do you refer to? Construct complete, coherent sentences, please, that way you can't change direction when you get shown to be wrong.
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More bait, JR. Push back![/COLOR]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057375]Then we'll agree that your explanation was inefficient, communication is key.

What '[I]just blatantly wrong[/I]' do you refer to? Construct complete, coherent sentences, please, that way you can't change direction when you get shown to be wrong.
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More bait, JR. Push back![/COLOR][/quote]

LOL --

My statement was, as previously explained, intended as bait for the logically impaired. A trait that, for someone critiques others so fiercely for their failures of the same, you seem to be oblivious to in yourself.

Complete sentences? Why .. you just impose whatever meaning is convenient to your point regardless of context, ignore arguments you can't refute and, generally, pretend the rules of rhetoric are inapplicable to every pearl of wisdom you dane to share with us poor uninitiated.

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lol ... always a pleasure.[/COLOR]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1057383]LOL --

My statement was, as previously explained, intended as bait for the logically impaired. A trait that, for someone critiques others so fiercely for their failures of the same, you seem to be oblivious to in yourself.

Complete sentences? Why .. you just impose whatever meaning is convenient to your point regardless of context, ignore arguments you can't refute and, generally, pretend the rules of rhetoric are inapplicable to every pearl of wisdom you dane to share with us poor uninitiated.

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lol ... always a pleasure.[/COLOR][/quote]

Your so called bait was backtracking on a statement that everyone could see as inherently incorrect.

Please pose an argument I've failed to refute.

Is that a Great Dane or deign I ask?

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I don't believe in satan, either, but this has piqued my interest:

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057350]I'm an Atheist, I don't need one.[/quote]




These people do ,



[url=http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html]Famous Scientists Who Believed in God[/url]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057352]It's like when a surgeon performs lifesaving surgery on someone and people call it a miracle. Give the surgeon credit for his or her hours of education and effort .
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You don't think the family and friends are thanking God for that Doctor or that Doctor doesn't thank God for helping give him the tools and ability to perform that miracle ?

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[quote=Giantone;1057426]These people do ,



[url=http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html]Famous Scientists Who Believed in God[/url][/quote]


I LOL at that list they have. They have Albert Einstein listed as on that believed in god, yet in another section says he was in fact a non-christian that did not believe in a personal god.


[quote]No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether. If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.[/quote]


Also, many of those scientists on that list lived in a time where proclaiming there wasn't a god would have led to their execution. Galileo was brought before the Inquisition about his beliefs that supported Copernicus view that the sun was the center of the solar system. Some of his works were also banned by the church. I take that list with a grain of salt due to the era they lived in.

That said, I'd say a small fraction of the science community believes in god. I should change that amount from small to tiny.

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[quote=Giantone;1057427]You don't think the family and friends are thanking God for that Doctor or that Doctor doesn't thank God for helping give him the tools and ability to perform that miracle ?[/quote]

Only if the person thanking god is an utter fuckwit. Medicine is not a miracle.

Lots of study, research and effort goes into it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1057439]I LOL at that list they have. They have Albert Einstein listed as on that believed in god, yet in another section says he was in fact a non-christian that did not believe in a personal god.

Also, many of those scientists on that list lived in a time where proclaiming there wasn't a god would have led to their execution. Galileo was brought before the Inquisition about his beliefs that supported Copernicus view that the sun was the center of the solar system. Some of his works were also banned by the church. I take that list with a grain of salt due to the era they lived in.

That said, I'd say a small fraction of the science community believes in god. I should change that amount from small to tiny.[/quote]

Footnote from the impartial site GiantOne posted:

[I]Internet Use Policy: Since [URL="http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/who_is_jesus_christ.html"]Jesus Christ[/URL] has freely offered to me, as His disciple, and as part of my spiritual service of worship, I offer all information at this site free for use by all who desire to use it. Some of the pages at this site are copyright by others (used with permission) and may not be reproduced without specific permission by the copyright holder. We prefer that you [I]not[/I] copy entire pages, since content is constantly being updated. If you believe any information is incorrect, please [URL="http://www.godandscience.org/contact.html"]E-mail[/URL] me. It is my desire to reflect only truth, and I will strive to that end. I recognize that perfection is impossible in this world, and so request that the Lord make all inaccurate information null and void in the eyes of those who read it. Thank you Jesus.

Rich Deem
[/I]
And here's an analysis of Rich Deem by Barry Hampe:

[I]I was asked by a person of faith to take a look at the website "Evidence for God,"[/I][URL="http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_god_real.html"][/URL][I] posted by Rich Deem, and then write my thoughts about it. [/I]

Most amusing.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057440]Only if the person thanking god is an utter fuckwit. Medicine is not a miracle.

Lots of study, research and effort goes into it.[/quote]No one here said it didn't ,so what makes you think that ?

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