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I have seen that 2 win argument all to much. Look at it this way. We signed Garcon to be our number 1, who was a number 2 on that 2 win team. He was injured for half the season and played the other half still injured. So RG3 had, at best, a number 3 receiver from that 2 win team as his best receiver for half the season, and an injured number 2 for the other half from that 2 win team. Once Fred went down with his achilles, no one should say that we had better TE's than that 2 win team.

If that 2 win argument holds water, then it was amateur hour for our receivers last year. Yet that is never taken into consideration when judging RG3 versus Luck. The only reason I take Garcon over Wayne now is the 7 or 8 year age difference between them. Reggie Wayne is an elite receiver imo, but probably wont be for much longer.

If i had to choose QB's for a team, I would choose Rex/Beck over the QB's from Indy when they won 2 games. The geriatric coming out of retirement Kerry Collins or the inept Curtis Painter. Even Sanchez looks like a superstar compared to those 2.

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It's easy to call them a two win team without Luck when you forget they had a HOF qb with no capable backup that was out for the year. I think that year really showed how much Manning meant to the Colts, he carried that team for all those years and they never stood a chance when he had to sit out. But if they had a good backup plan in place I doubt they would only have won 2 games that year. Luck went to a good team, but that shouldn't take away any credit from Luck. Personally I think both Luck and RG3 are top notch talents, and I'm just happy to have one of them.

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The greatness of Curtis Painter gets no respect in this thread.

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Jon Baldwin in SF could be interesting/scary

edit: 9ers traded AJ Jenkins to KC for Baldwin

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1019338]They weren't a 2 win team the year before with even average qb play.

Separately, why is completion % over-rated? I get that if you are just completing short passes, then the higher number is expected, but certainly, if you take these numbers:

Comp% 65.6 [COLOR="White"]Romo[/COLOR]
Yds 4,903
TD 28
INT 19
Rating 90.5

54.1 [COLOR="White"]Luck[/COLOR]
4,374
23
18
76.5

56.7 [COLOR="White"]Sanchez[/COLOR]
3,474
26
18
78.2

65.6 [COLOR="White"]Griffen[/COLOR]
3,200
20
5
102.4

And pulled the exceptional qb out, it wouldn't be Luck's. The passers names are in white font by the completion %[/quote]

Take a guy like Joe Flacco. He's never going to be a 67%-68% passer. Pretty good qb....right? Then you have a guy like Jason Campbell who had a high completion % but was the definition of average. I would never judge a qb with that stat. I look more for intangibles, pass per attempt, 3rd down conversions and td's vs int's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1019368]Take a guy like Joe Flacco. He's never going to be a 67%-68% passer. Pretty good qb....right? Then you have a guy like Jason Campbell who had a high completion % but was the definition of average. I would never judge a qb with that stat. I look more for intangibles,[B] pass per attempt[/B], 3rd down conversions and td's vs int's.[/quote]

That's a really important stat. RG3 excelled in that regard last season with an astounding 1 pass-per-attempt. Meanwhile, Jake Locker floundered, averaging just 1 pass-per-attempt; he's going to have to improve in that area.

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[quote=Lotus;1019364]The greatness of Curtis Painter gets no respect in this thread.[/quote]

:rofl:

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Interesting that Griffin smoked everyone last year with 8.14 yards per attempt, nobody else was over 8, Luck was only 6.98. And of course he had that ridiculous 20-5 TD/INT mark.

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Von Miller is looking at a six game suspension. Guess which team gets to face him if/when he returns in the 7th game. Yup the skins.

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[url=http://www.cbs3springfield.com/story/23174773/murder-weapon-used-in-double-killing-linked-to-aaron-hernandez-found-in-springfield]Murder weapon used in double killing allegedly linked to Aaron H - CBS 3 Springfield - WSHM[/url]

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... Actually the redskins would be the broncos' 8th game.

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Colts were not a legit 2 win team that year. They had no one at QB. No one. They were an 6-7 win team with decent QBing. Indy won a lot of games last that they maybe shouldn't have. They're a good bet to only win 6-7 game this year. Check out Bill Barnwell's stuff over at Grantland. He tried to make an argument that Indy wasn't gong to regress and basically couldn't. The stats for Indy last year were horrendous for an 11 win team. Miraculous really.

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[quote=Mattyk;1019374]Interesting that Griffin smoked everyone last year with 8.14 yards per attempt, nobody else was over 8, Luck was only 6.98. And of course he had that ridiculous [B]20-5 TD/INT mark[/B].[/quote]

Outstanding for any QB, none the less a rookie.

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and the 8 other TDs he had (7 running, 1 fumble) to 2 lost fumbles.

so he's 28/7 TDs/TOs as a QB. that's insane.

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In other QB news, Vick is named starter. Not particularly surprising.

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/20/michael-vick-named-eagles-starting-quarterback-chi/]Michael Vick named Eagles' starting quarterback by Chip Kelly - Washington Times[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9584640/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-named-starter]Michael Vick of Philadelphia Eagles named starter - ESPN[/url]

Works for me!

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[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1kquxw/i_am_adrian_peterson_pro_football_mvp_ask_me/]i am adrian peterson, pro football mvp. ask me anything! : IAmA[/url]

Adrian Peterson doing a AMA today in case anybody is interested.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1019708]In other QB news, Vick is named starter. Not particularly surprising.

[URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/20/michael-vick-named-eagles-starting-quarterback-chi/"]Michael Vick named Eagles' starting quarterback by Chip Kelly - Washington Times[/URL]

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9584640/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-named-starter"]Michael Vick of Philadelphia Eagles named starter - ESPN[/URL]

Works for me![/quote]

I think Vick really has a bounce back year if he can stay healthy. He's in the perfect offense for him. No way could they go with Foles. Only concern with Vick is he'll probably be hurt by mid season cause he's never learned to slide.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1019732]I think Vick really has a bounce back year if he can stay healthy. He's in the perfect offense for him. No way could they go with Foles. Only concern with Vick is he'll probably be hurt by mid season cause he's never learned to slide.[/quote]

He still hasn't learned to slide. Was diving the other night against the Panthers. It won't be long before Foles is in the starting lineup.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1019708]In other QB news, Vick is named starter. Not particularly surprising.

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/20/michael-vick-named-eagles-starting-quarterback-chi/]Michael Vick named Eagles' starting quarterback by Chip Kelly - Washington Times[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9584640/michael-vick-philadelphia-eagles-named-starter]Michael Vick of Philadelphia Eagles named starter - ESPN[/url]

Works for me![/quote]

I would rather have them start Foles, but I still am not buying the Eagles this season.

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I just don't buy Vick in any offense that is based on quick/correct decision making by the QB. He has never demonstrated an aptitude for it and, while looking good in preseason is fine, I trust Vick to return to his time-worn habits when the defensive scheming starts. If he can't create the offense, he won't be able to run the offense.

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Chip Kelly about to realize that the NFL defenses are much better than the consistently weak ass Pac 10. Unfortunately he cant out recruit Skins, Dallas, and the Giants personel.

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It's not like the NFL has never seen a no huddle offense before.

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The thing I worry about Philly is that Reid never understood what a good back can mean to an offense. Kelly will use Shady to take pressure off of Vick. Vick and Shady in a read option is a bit scary as long as Vick gets the quick reads down. If Vick figures out how to pass like the one season he did well at it, that could be a real good offense.

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Vick always starts out good, (just like the Cowboys). Then things start to head south after the first month. I think we are in for a really tough first game though. If they have a bad set of quick downs, that defense could be on the field alot. Possibly the worst defense in the NFL.

Also, they are counting on 3 guys over 30 recovering from serious injuries on the offensive line.

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This sucks for Denver.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000232174/article/von-miller-suspended-six-games-for-policy-violation]Von Miller suspended six games for policy violation - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1019735]I would rather have them start Foles, but I still am not buying the Eagles this season.[/quote]

I think they're going to score points, but their D is really going to struggle.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1019740]I just don't buy Vick in any offense that is based on quick/correct decision making by the QB. He has never demonstrated an aptitude for it and, while looking good in preseason is fine, I trust Vick to return to his time-worn habits when the defensive scheming starts. If he can't create the offense, he won't be able to run the offense.[/quote]

I think they will do stuff similar to what we did, run a lot of read option, mis direction stuff, run play action off of it to give Vick half the field type reads. I think he's in an offense that's perfect for him. Plus they get back Jason Peters and that will help a ton. They're going to score points.

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[quote=SirLK26;1019754]This sucks for Denver.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000232174/article/von-miller-suspended-six-games-for-policy-violation]Von Miller suspended six games for policy violation - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Its ok, he'll have his first breakout game of the season against Tyler Polumbus.

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So with every team gearing up for the 3rd preseason game, which is suppose to look more like a regular season dress rehersal, the Bills @ Redskins starting units will most likely feature Kevin Kobb vs Rex Grossman........ I think I'll mow my yard Saturday afternoon.

At this point I am so ready for the Regular Season. The skins and everyone else, just seems to be getting guys hurt.

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[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-bears-jon-bostic-fine-20130821,0,7640202.story]Bears rookie linebacker Bostic fined $21,000 for hit - chicagotribune.com[/url]

This is a joke. 21,000 for a player who wrapped up, and tried to lead with his shoulder. The other hits they fine for I'm OK with, but to fine a player who wrapped up and made a tackle on a receiver who obviously was not "defenseless" and turned up field is a joke.

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[quote=donofriose;1019837][URL="http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-bears-jon-bostic-fine-20130821,0,7640202.story"]Bears rookie linebacker Bostic fined $21,000 for hit - chicagotribune.com[/URL]

This is a joke. 21,000 for a player who wrapped up, and tried to lead with his shoulder. The other hits they fine for I'm OK with, but to fine a player who wrapped up and made a tackle on a receiver who obviously was not "defenseless" and turned up field is a joke.[/quote]

If I were a smallish corner in the NFL, I would not know how to tackle. I mean if you are a big strong LB, you can go in heads up wrap and overpower a guy and drop him, but a small Corner has to go low and take out a guys legs to bring him down. If you go high, you will get over powered and/or get a helmet to helmet hit, which equals a fine. Not to mention the whole thing happens so fast its like trying to plan on which part of a car you want to hit in a car wreck going 60 miles per hour. I mean seriously, if Arian Peterson or Steven Jackson was coming at you, how would you attempt to tackle him?

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[quote=scowan;1019839]If I were a smallish corner in the NFL, I would not know how to tackle. I mean if you are a big strong LB, you can go in heads up wrap and overpower a guy and drop him, but a small Corner has to go low and take out a guys legs to bring him down. If you go high, you will get over powered and/or get a helmet to helmet hit, which equals a fine. Not to mention the whole thing happens so fast its like trying to plan on which part of a car you want to hit in a car wreck going 60 miles per hour. I mean seriously, if Arian Peterson or Steven Jackson was coming at you, how would you attempt to tackle him?[/quote]

Ask them politely to lie down on the turf?

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[quote=donofriose;1019837][url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-bears-jon-bostic-fine-20130821,0,7640202.story]Bears rookie linebacker Bostic fined $21,000 for hit - chicagotribune.com[/url]

This is a joke. 21,000 for a player who wrapped up, and tried to lead with his shoulder. The other hits they fine for I'm OK with, but to fine a player who wrapped up and made a tackle on a receiver who obviously was not "defenseless" and turned up field is a joke.[/quote]

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so quick. looks like hits with the crown of the helmet, but hard to see that as a dirty hit.

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Mark Brunell will be joining ESPN as an analyst, as will Jerome Bettis

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Hey, this may have been covered in previous posts, but..do you guys think Adam Carriker makes it back this year or will be on the roster next season? Seems he can't shake the injury bug. Great Redskin though.

Jaws just said kaep could be the best qb ever.... Smh

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1019740]I just don't buy Vick in any offense that is based on quick/correct decision making by the QB. He has never demonstrated an aptitude for it and, while looking good in preseason is fine, I trust Vick to return to his time-worn habits when the defensive scheming starts. If he can't create the offense, he won't be able to run the offense.[/quote]I'm with you here. I think this is a pretty serious indictment of where Foles is in his development, because there's no upside whatsoever to the Eagles going with Vick at QB.

The speed of Kelly's offense should cover up a lot of Vick's past mistakes, but it would have done the same for any QB, and you'd have to think that if Foles could have gotten the most out of their stars (McCoy, Jackson, Celek), he'd be in there.

Philly's defense is an absolute disaster, and it's struggles are about to be compounded by how quickly their offense gets up and down the field.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1019853]Mark Brunell will be joining ESPN as an analyst, as will Jerome Bettis[/quote]

Interesting. I've always liked Mark Brunell. Probably one of my 10 favorite quarterbacks of all time. Brunell in Washington was pretty much a failure, but he was really good in Jacksonville.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1019861]I'm with you here. [B] I think this is a pretty serious indictment of where Foles is in his development,[/B] because there's no upside whatsoever to the Eagles going with Vick at QB.

The speed of Kelly's offense should cover up a lot of Vick's past mistakes, but it would have done the same for any QB, and you'd have to think that if Foles could have gotten the most out of their stars (McCoy, Jackson, Celek), he'd be in there.

Philly's defense is an absolute disaster, and it's struggles are about to be compounded by how quickly their offense gets up and down the field.[/quote]

I think its less about Foles and his development and more that Kelly's offense is a bad fit for Foles. Kelly wants to do some read option imo, and Foles is not suited for that at all.

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[quote=SirLK26;1019866]Interesting. I've always liked Mark Brunell. Probably one of my 10 favorite quarterbacks of all time. Brunell in Washington was pretty much a failure, but he was really good in Jacksonville.[/quote]


Not really, he took us to the playoffs and played really well that year, age just got to him