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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051226]We have a ton of cap space. And as bad as we are this year, well have a high first round pick next year too.... Oh wait.[/quote]

But we have a franchise qb. Folks franchise qb > first round draft pick > cap space. We have a franchise qb and amazing cap space, our job is extremely appealing. Don't overthink our situation

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Amazing people forget this team won the division last year.
Oh well

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1051153]I think you don't know how to get rid of things that serve no purpose anymore, and progress[/QUOTE]


Smoot, you just hate on everyone that backs MS..


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If people think our organization can't win with Snyder, why did we win last year

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[quote=Chico23231;1051232]But we have a franchise qb. Folks franchise qb > first round draft pick > cap space. We have a franchise qb and amazing cap space, our job is extremely appealing. Don't overthink our situation[/quote]

And there are a few guys I have my eye on for free agency:

WR Eric Decker (Pair him with Garcon)

WR Hakeem Nicks (If he can stay healthy which is a big if, with that issue I would rather have Decker)

TE Andrew Quarless (Pair him with Reed)

FS Jairus Byrd (Obvious)

CB Sam Shields (also obvious)

CB Alterraun Verner (and obvious)

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1051233]Amazing people forget this team won the division last year.
Oh well[/QUOTE]

Yeah it's just been a long hard year so I can understand the frustration

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1051238]And there are a few guys I have my eye on for free agency:

WR Eric Decker (Pair him with Garcon)

WR Hakeem Nicks (If he can stay healthy which is a big if, with that issue I would rather have Decker)

TE Andrew Quarless (Pair him with Reed)

FS Jairus Byrd (Obvious)

CB Sam Shields (also obvious)

CB Alterraun Verner (and obvious)[/QUOTE]

My only problem with decker is he will probably want a big paycheck and I'm not sure if he's really a number 1 WR

Also do u still want hall? I would like to see him back with Amerson and then sign a Nickel maybe someone like verner

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1051238]And there are a few guys I have my eye on for free agency:

WR Eric Decker (Pair him with Garcon)

WR Hakeem Nicks (If he can stay healthy which is a big if, with that issue I would rather have Decker)

TE Andrew Quarless (Pair him with Reed)

FS Jairus Byrd (Obvious)

CB Sam Shields (also obvious)

CB Alterraun Verner (and obvious)[/quote]

I would like all those guys. If we did that, I'd go o and d line on all of our draft picks, no question.

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[quote=Brody81;1051236]Smoot, you just hate on everyone that backs MS..


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Anyone that still backs Mike at this point deserves to be hated on.

That's not Smoot's game though.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1051242]Anyone that still backs Mike at this point deserves to be hated on.

That's not Smoot's game though.[/QUOTE]

Mike deserves a 10 year extension!

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[quote=Chico23231;1051232]But we have a franchise qb. Folks franchise qb > first round draft pick > cap space. We have a franchise qb and amazing cap space, our job is extremely appealing. Don't overthink our situation[/quote]

He's a franchise QB in title only. He would not have been worth what we gave up for him if not for his freak athletic ability that made him such a running threat. He didn't have that this year and he may not ever get that back. He is not the best passer or decision maker and proved himself very stubborn and not receptive to coaching. Its my opinion he's less than 50% to ever be an elite QB. I think we could get 2 firsts for him if we traded him now (by blaming his lackluster performance on coaching and the injury). I don't think well ever get that much for him again. I say we cut our losses and trade him. Give the new head coach a full compliment of draft picks and the ability to pick his own QB.

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Thankfully that's not happening.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051245]Thankfully that's not happening.[/quote]

Of course not. Snyder won't hire anyone who won't stick with his marketing toy until it's blatantly obvious rg3s part of the problem, not the solution.

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Keep dreaming.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051246]Of course not. Snyder won't hire anyone who won't stick with his marketing toy until it's blatantly obvious rg3s part of the problem, not the solution.[/quote]


I can't believe I'm saying this but I don't think DS is the bad guy here ,frankly I don't think anyone is .Best move Washington can do now is nothing ,leave everyone in place build a new and improved O line and people will forget this year happen .
I know it sounds wrong and I mean no offense but DS , Shanahan and RGII should basically ignore the fans and just do their job .Bob is a good QB and only in his second year and that was in recovery from major knee repair .Pull up the posts , I said it would take a year and maybe even sit him for a year , why, because I went through it(the knee injury) most people it takes 2 years .Shanahan is a Hall of Fame coach ....and like it or not other coach's will watch and look at the way he is treated in Washington and will use that on whether they want to come here or not.Last Dan Snyder ,he has done what everyone asked and is still getting crap ,the man can't catch a break ,he has stayed away and kept quiet but it seems for some that just isn't enough .
Two things in football fans don't acknowledge and to me they are the most important , 1) chemistry 2) luck .Every winning team has some sort of luck and most don't always have the best talent but they work well together and that = chemistry .My point there is no downside to waiting a year .

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[quote=Brody81;1051236]Smoot, you just hate on everyone that backs MS..


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Hilarious

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051246]Of course not. Snyder won't hire anyone who won't stick with his marketing toy until it's blatantly obvious rg3s part of the problem, not the solution.[/quote]

Man. You are delusional lol

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1051244]He's a franchise QB in title only. He would not have been worth what we gave up for him if not for his freak athletic ability that made him such a running threat. He didn't have that this year and he may not ever get that back. He is not the best passer or decision maker and proved himself very stubborn and not receptive to coaching. Its my opinion he's less than 50% to ever be an elite QB. I think we could get 2 firsts for him if we traded him now (by blaming his lackluster performance on coaching and the injury). I don't think well ever get that much for him again. I say we cut our losses and trade him. Give the new head coach a full compliment of draft picks and the ability to pick his own QB.[/QUOTE]

So u think we should keep cousins and let Griff go? Now what has KC done that is so great for me to agree with u on this? RG3 has at least made the team relevant again for the first time in 20 yrs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051225]Oakland has high picks and $$$ so they have a chance to really get better[/quote]Lot of opportunity in Oakland, but its going to be a long climb, particularly on defense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051244]He's a franchise QB in title only. He would not have been worth what we gave up for him if not for his freak athletic ability that made him such a running threat. He didn't have that this year and he may not ever get that back. He is not the best passer or decision maker and proved himself very stubborn and not receptive to coaching. Its my opinion he's less than 50% to ever be an elite QB. I think we could get 2 firsts for him if we traded him now (by blaming his lackluster performance on coaching and the injury). I don't think well ever get that much for him again. I say we cut our losses and trade him. Give the new head coach a full compliment of draft picks and the ability to pick his own QB.[/quote]

We waited 20 years to get someone who at least looks like a franchise QB...and you want to trade him after year 2?

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Fan-atic..........

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1051258]Lot of opportunity in Oakland, but its going to be a long climb, particularly on defense.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but if its true that gruden wants to go back there I believe he can get it turned around fast

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[quote=Lotus;1051265]We waited 20 years to get someone who at least looks like a franchise QB...and you want to trade him after year 2?[/quote]

Merry Christmas all! Horton and Whisenhut (not sure of the spelling).

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[quote=Lotus;1051265]We waited 20 years to get someone who at least looks like a franchise QB...and you want to trade him after year 2?[/quote]

Nail on the head. It's amazing

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[quote=The Goat;1051215]Obviously I'm biased in favor of the Skins but I still objectively think DC is the franchise with the most potential that will also be looking for a new HC, with Detroit as a possible tie.[/quote] I consider the HC job here will be highly sought after.

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[quote=30gut;1051305]I consider the HC job here will be highly sought after.[/quote]



By whom ?

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[quote=Giantone;1051310]By whom ?[/quote]

I wouldn't necessarily say it would be a highly sought after spot, but the core of players that is the process of development should be appealing to a lot of coaches. It's the ancillary crap that no one wants to deal with.

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[quote=Giantone;1051310]By whom ?[/quote]
I assume you are suggesting it would not be? If that is the case.....why would it not be?

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[quote=Giantone;1051310]By whom ?[/quote]

By any coach wishing to A) Get paid and B) have the honor of carving out his own legacy by turning around a perennial loser of a team into a winning franchise again. What head coach worth anything would not want to take on that challenge? Also, Snyder has worked pretty hard to turn things around in the front office. Head coaches have no Vinny Cerrato to deal with anymore. That in itself makes the position a lot more attractive for many suitors. The only ones who think the position is not highly sought for are fans from opposing teams - especially in the same division, teams that are trying to grab a new head coach themselves, and the sports media talking heads who don't know what they're talking about.

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[quote=skinsguy;1051326]By any coach wishing to A) Get paid and B) have the honor of carving out his own legacy by turning around a perennial loser of a team into a winning franchise again. What head coach worth anything would not want to take on that challenge? Also, Snyder has worked pretty hard to turn things around in the front office. Head coaches have no Vinny Cerrato to deal with anymore. [B]That in itself makes the position a lot more attractive for many suitors. [/B]The only ones who think the position is not highly sought for are fans from opposing teams - especially in the same division, teams that are trying to grab a new head coach themselves, and the sports media talking heads who don't know what they're talking about.[/quote]

One of the most well respected former coaches, Tony Dungy, has already said he would never work for an owner like Snyder. I'm sure several people around the league feel the same way. I think it's going to be hard to get one of the big names in here.

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[quote=Hog1;1051319]I assume you are suggesting it would not be? If that is the case.....why would it not be?[/quote]



No , you would be wrong ,I'm asking who (what individual) he thinks will take the job ?

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Number one, we do not NEED an established NFL head coach. We have a new quarterback that runs a unique style, so find a coach who will cater to that style and make it work with the core players on offense we currently have, and will sign this offseason. (RG3, Williams, Garcon, Reed, Morris, Hankerson are really the only ones who I believe are shoe ins for next season. Its more than half, and I'm sure we will keep at least one of our guards, so 7/11 is a good core). Revamp the defense as much as you can with the draft and free agency, but TRY to keep them relatively young. Keep both your ends, they make or break the secondary and are a top 5 pair in the NFL. Find high motor smart guys for special teams.

These are all things that are doable in one offseason. I believe there will be plenty of high quality coaches that will be jockeying for the job this offseason. Why? Main reasons below.

- Finally have plenty of young talent
- Have a very capable backup QB, or an additional 2nd round pick, whichever way you play it, it is a plus for the team
- The HC will get paid more than market value, you can count on that
- Have shown that they can win
- Have the RotY franchise QB to develop and win with
- Have a true number one receiver
- Have a top 5 Left Tackle, as well as a top 5 rusher in Morris
- Have a top 5 pair of defensive ends
- Would be coaching in the NFC East, not the best division in football right now
- Have an owner that will spend whatever is necessary to win games and actually cares about the team, not just the teams financials
- And the biggest reason, Snyder has shown he can give football people, not yes men, the keys to the ferrari that is the Redskins franchise.


Of course there will be criticism, but any good young coach that gets offered this job would be stupid to pass it up

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[quote=skinsfan69;1051327]One of the most well respected former coaches, Tony Dungy, has already said he would never work for an owner like Snyder. I'm sure several people around the league feel the same way. I think it's going to be hard to get one of the big names in here.[/quote]

And one of the most well respected former coaches, Joe Gibbs, has worked with Snyder and had a very good working relationship with him - so it goes either way. Just because one well respected coach wouldn't work for Snyder doesn't mean no other well respected coach wouldn't as well. And secondly, why is it that the head coach must be a big name? This sounds like Vinny Cerrato / Gerry Snyder talk.

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Marty at one time also said he could never work for Snyder.

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at this point I dont care who the new HC is as long as he brings a good staff and demands a new surfice for the field! It looked like crap!!

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[quote=Giantone;1051248]I can't believe I'm saying this but I don't think DS is the bad guy here ,frankly I don't think anyone is .Best move Washington can do now is nothing ,leave everyone in place build a new and improved O line and people will forget this year happen .
I know it sounds wrong and I mean no offense but DS , Shanahan and RGII should basically ignore the fans and just do their job .Bob is a good QB and only in his second year and that was in recovery from major knee repair .Pull up the posts , I said it would take a year and maybe even sit him for a year , why, because I went through it(the knee injury) most people it takes 2 years .Shanahan is a Hall of Fame coach ....and like it or not other coach's will watch and look at the way he is treated in Washington and will use that on whether they want to come here or not.Last Dan Snyder ,he has done what everyone asked and is still getting crap ,the man can't catch a break ,he has stayed away and kept quiet but it seems for some that just isn't enough .
Two things in football fans don't acknowledge and to me they are the most important , 1) chemistry 2) luck .Every winning team has some sort of luck and most don't always have the best talent but they work well together and that = chemistry .My point there is no downside to waiting a year .[/quote]
I hate myself for completely agreeing with you.

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[quote=The Goat;1051211]Per Obrien and patience for him, I think all of Redskins nation from owner to majority of fans have shown patience the last four years AND it will continue as long as we see competence on game day.

I like that Gruden is a small town guy, maybe it's perfect in that he's NOT looking for the limelight. Keep his head down and focus on the team.

Why is Lovie not happening? It irks me because I see Lovie as the perfect fit assuming we have a great OC, which you need anyway. His players always give 100% on the field and he also has that no nonsense factor. Keeps his head down and focuses on the team. Doesn't conjure up bullshit for the media. In many ways he's the opposite of Shanahan. Lovie is a high character guy IMO and will win a Lombardi one day. Just a great fit for DC and RG IMO. I'm pissed there's no interest and wanna know who's to blame?[/quote]

Smootsmack this was for you. What's the story with no love for Lovie in DC?

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[quote=The Goat;1051343]Smootsmack this was for you. What's the story with no love for Lovie in DC?[/quote]

I don't know if we're interested. Maybe there is some interest because he does have a connection with Morocco Brown. But from Lovie's end, what I've heard is that he would like to stay in Texas (or at least out west), and he believes he's got a good shot at either the Houston or Dallas job.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051346]I don't know if we're interested. Maybe there is some interest because he does have a connection with Morocco Brown. But from Lovie's end, what I've heard is that he would like to stay in Texas (or at least out west), and he believes he's got a good shot at either the Houston or Dallas job.[/quote]

Geez I'm surprised he would consider Dallas. Does he have a connection to Jerra?
Houston doesn't have a QB but will have a high enough pick to draft one I guess, or he gets Cutler or Mcgown in FA.

What's the connection with Moracco Brown?

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I'm so far behind on this thread I'll never catch up. I'll just assume that every reasonably qualified coach I've ever heard of has been discussed.

As bad as we've been this season, I stiil think we're not that far from winning our weak division next season if RGIII comes back healthy and we make the right moves in FA and the draft. For one thing, we're probably going to get back 8-10 pretty good players from IR alone.

I think that the last thing we we need right now is to start all over but that doesn't necessarily mean keeping Mike Shanahan. I'm wondering if an experienced, steady NFL hand (not necessarily a big-name) can make some necessary changes but nothing revolutionarly, hire top quality assistants, and get us right back in the playoff picture.

I'd look for someone more on the Lovie Smith end of the scale than the Jon Gruden end of the scale. Dramatic improvement without the other kind of drama.