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[quote=DYoungJelly;1097517]Sells subs.[/quote]

:laughing-

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[quote=Lotus;1097496]Unbelievable. We trade a buttload of picks for a guy who can't even make it through his rookie contract.

This is a serious indictment of both player and franchise.[/quote]

Want even more unbelievable (yet totally believeable)? Since 2000 Chris Samuels is the ONLY first round pick to get a 2nd contract. Including 5 first round picks traded away during that time span, we've used 8 first round picks (trades involving picks from '03, '06 and '12, '13 & '14 plus Ramsey, Campbell and Griffin) in pick or trade at the QB position in that time period.

Orakpo is gone next year as is Griffin. Williams and Kerrigan will probably be extended but the track record in the first round is beyond abysmal. No wonder we are a raging dumpster fire year after year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097513]The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk[/quote]

If you had to put a percentage to it, how much is the frustration for his off the field work (film study, preparation, study habits) vs. on the field (practice habits, game production, lack of improvement) for Griffin?

I've heard the biggest issues with Kirk are not so much the turnovers themselves but the fact that he lacks the guts/confidence/demeanor to bounce back and he gets down in the dumps too quickly. Can't deal with adversity. Any substance to that?

Has it gotten to a Rob vs. Kirk situation? I know it's been festering since the Cleveland game in 2012 and RG felt threatened by Kirk ever since. Do you think/is there a sense in the building that if there wasn't a Kirk or Colt that he would be more relaxed and perform better?

Any thought to bringing in an actual QB coach? McVay and Gruden have other duties and nobody is devoted to coaching up the QB position.

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Kirk is a change of pace QB off the bench, he isn't a good NFL starter.

If Griffin can't watch film, and sort of absorb reality. Then why keep trying? I'm all for keeping him, but he doesn't look like the same player on the field now. If he hasn't hit a point where his ego can step aside, they can't wait forever. Also, WTG Snyder once again.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097514]I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. [B]Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.[/B][/quote]

I [U]forbid[/U] the Redskins to trade RGIII to Dallas. It would be just our luck that he would turn around his career there and beat us twice a year. I hate Dallas too much to think there might be any chance of that happening.

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Honestly, I think Robert's situation is all about Robert. He has to decide to want it, to do everything in his power to get better, become the player that he wants to be. It takes a lot to humble yourself and go to work on the mental stuff. Personally I would be walking across the street to Gruden's house and asking to study film with him. Put in the time to turn my career around.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1097532]Honestly, I think Robert's situation is all about Robert. He has to decide to want it, to do everything in his power to get better, become the player that he wants to be. It takes a lot to humble yourself and go to work on the mental stuff. Personally I would be walking across the street to Gruden's house and asking to study film with him. Put in the time to turn my career around.[/quote]

Excellent post!

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[quote=Paintrain;1097524]Want even more unbelievable (yet totally believeable)? Since 2000 Chris Samuels is the ONLY first round pick to get a 2nd contract. Including 5 first round picks traded away during that time span, we've used 8 first round picks (trades involving picks from '03, '06 and '12, '13 & '14 plus Ramsey, Campbell and Griffin) in pick or trade at the QB position in that time period.

Orakpo is gone next year as is Griffin. Williams and Kerrigan will probably be extended but the track record in the first round is beyond abysmal. No wonder we are a raging dumpster fire year after year.[/quote]

that's a sad stat....makes me wonder if we have the right scouting dept./talent evaluation in place.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1097532]Honestly, I think Robert's situation is all about Robert. He has to decide to want it, to do everything in his power to get better, become the player that he wants to be. It takes a lot to humble yourself and go to work on the mental stuff. Personally I would be walking across the street to Gruden's house and asking to study film with him. Put in the time to turn my career around.[/quote]

Excellent post....very accurate. I completely agree with this. I think a small part of the problem developed during RGIII's great rookie year, he developed the belief that RGIII > Head coach. Until Griffen can run a pro system and win a few Superbowls that shit should never happen. This is the third coach (M. Shanahan, Gruden and Kyle S.) to have serious issues with RGIII. There is clearly a big ego with Superman socks on in the way of Griffens development as a pro. Griffen is a college QB playing in the NFL.
For me the proof came on the field when he came back from the dislocated ankle. He tried to win it all himself.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097502]Right now, what does Griffin do better than Colt?[/quote]
Yea I would like to know that also..I will say at first RGIII had way more potential than Colt but potential does not win games..his trade value will tell us what other teams think of him, in a QB starved league you would think that if RGIII is all that we should have no problem getting at least a second round pick ..my bet is we get nothing and he will be released .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097514]I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.[/quote]I think teams, including ours especially back in the days of Snyder/Cerratto smh, do tend to recruit free agents that torched them in games. I think RG3 has done well against Dallas, tho maybe 2012 looms larger in my mind than it should.

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[quote=Paintrain;1097525]If you had to put a percentage to it, how much is the frustration for his off the field work (film study, preparation, study habits) vs. on the field (practice habits, game production, lack of improvement) for Griffin?[/quote]

Percentage wise, I can't really say. but from what I hear it's much more the latter that concerns them

[quote]I've heard the biggest issues with Kirk are not so much the turnovers themselves but the fact that he lacks the guts/confidence/demeanor to bounce back and he gets down in the dumps too quickly. Can't deal with adversity. Any substance to that?[/quote]

Yes, this is true. They didn't like his defeatist attitude. And I hear he started putting a lot of blame behind closed doors (locker room, film sessions) on others. Chalk it up to frustration, but he has to be better than that

[quote]Has it gotten to a Rob vs. Kirk situation? I know it's been festering since the Cleveland game in 2012 and RG felt threatened by Kirk ever since. Do you think/is there a sense in the building that if there wasn't a Kirk or Colt that he would be more relaxed and perform better?[/quote]

They're not pals, but I don't think they hate each other. He'd be more relaxed probably, but not sure he'd perform better. Honestly, and I think I've mentioned it before, what's really overlooked is how valuable Rex Grossman was. His presence the last two years can't be overstated. RG3 literally followed Rex around everywhere his rookie season. And both RG3 and Kirk leaned on Rex a lot for advice. And Rex had a calming effect on both. Even through all the drama last year, Rex helped keep things relatively calm. Now, with him gone it's all blown up. Is that only because Rex is gone? No, and the expectation was by year 3 neither Rob nor Kirk should need someone like Rex, but they also took away the QB coach (though Rob never really got along with Matt LaFleur). People in the organization all love Colt, but he's totally different from Rex Grossman. Rex brings people together, Colt likes solitude

[quote]Any thought to bringing in an actual QB coach? McVay and Gruden have other duties and nobody is devoted to coaching up the QB position.[/quote]

Haven't heard. Think it's ridiculous they don't have one

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097554]Haven't heard. Think it's ridiculous they don't have one[/quote]Why don't we have a QB coach? Thought even QB gurus (Reid Martz Jim Harbaugh maybe) had them even just as assistants. Lord knows all our QBs need work.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1097555]Why don't we have a QB coach? Thought even QB gurus (Reid Martz Jim Harbaugh maybe) had them even just as assistants. Lord knows all our QBs need work.[/quote]

Isn't Gruden supposed to be a QB coach/guru?

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zorn

flacco really liked working with him a few years ago.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1097504]rg3 will garner a ton of interest. a ton. but im sure bruce will get out-GM'ed and let him go for a 4th. Which is crazy because we held on to Kirk for a second, but wont do the same for RG3.



Makes zero sense. None.



Poor move to trade RG3. Extremely poor[/QUOTE]


Well it makes alittle sense because Cousins has shown that he can run the offense and if he always threw to the right team he could run it well. I feel like his problems are coachable.


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I dont think RG-3 will ever be great in this league or even good enough to hold a starting job. I do not hate the kid, and that is not where my assessment of him comes from. I have often defended him as a person. I think for several weeks in 2012 the stars were just aligned for him but it was like a comet that comes every hundred years. Here and gone that quick.
I also do not blame the organization (for once). Trading down for Griff was a chance we had to take. This was not a Haynesworth or Adam Archuleta or any other number of bad trades, draft picks, etc type mistake. It was one we had to make, and because of injuries took this long to find out that it didnt work. The problem is that we are one of probably 5 teams in the league that could not afford to be wrong on this move. Whoops.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097529]I [U]forbid[/U] the Redskins to trade RGIII to Dallas. It would be just our luck that he would turn around his career there and beat us twice a year. I hate Dallas too much to think there might be any chance of that happening.[/quote]

Well if YOU forbid it I guess the skins have no choice. I heard Bruce gets most his advice here anyways.

Wait, wait, he doesn't get his advice here. Which means RGIII will be traded to Dallas for one of their 30+ year old players.

Damn, maybe Bruce [I]should[/I] start looking to the forums for help with this team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097554]Percentage wise, I can't really say. but from what I hear it's much more the latter that concerns them



Yes, this is true. They didn't like his defeatist attitude. And I hear he started putting a lot of blame behind closed doors (locker room, film sessions) on others. Chalk it up to frustration, but he has to be better than that



They're not pals, but I don't think they hate each other. He'd be more relaxed probably, but not sure he'd perform better. Honestly, and I think I've mentioned it before, what's really overlooked is how valuable Rex Grossman was. His presence the last two years can't be overstated. RG3 literally followed Rex around everywhere his rookie season. And both RG3 and Kirk leaned on Rex a lot for advice. And Rex had a calming effect on both. Even through all the drama last year, Rex helped keep things relatively calm. Now, with him gone it's all blown up. Is that only because Rex is gone? No, and the expectation was by year 3 neither Rob nor Kirk should need someone like Rex, but they also took away the QB coach (though Rob never really got along with Matt LaFleur). People in the organization all love Colt, but he's totally different from Rex Grossman. Rex brings people together, Colt likes solitude



Haven't heard. Think it's ridiculous they don't have one[/quote]

Why not bring back Rex Grossman as a backup Quarterback and unofficial Quarterback coach?

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1097791]Why not bring back Rex Grossman as a backup Quarterback and unofficial Quarterback coach?[/QUOTE]


Why in the Hell would we do that?


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[quote=sevier2;1097650]Well if YOU forbid it I guess the skins have no choice. I heard Bruce gets most his advice here anyways.

Wait, wait, he doesn't get his advice here. Which means RGIII will be traded to Dallas for one of their 30+ year old players.

Damn, maybe Bruce [I]should[/I] start looking to the forums for help with this team.[/quote]

Bruce? Does he make any decisions about RGIII?

There was a time when suggesting doing anything that could possibly help Dallas would get a person drummed out of Redskins Nation. Yes, that time period was known as "The Good Old Days".

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[quote=Ruhskins;1097558]Isn't Gruden supposed to be a QB coach/guru?[/quote]

The Head Coach is kinda busy with other things, ya know.