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[quote=Mattyk;1097258]All this talk about QB meanwhile the losses keep piling up. We've got bigger problems folks.[/quote]

Well problem number one is when i tune in for the game on tv the screen has an permanent the image of a dumpster on fire.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097267]Well problem number one is when i tune in for the game on tv the screen has an permanent the image of a dumpster on fire.[/quote]

I lol'd

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[quote=Chico23231;1097267]Well problem number one is when i tune in for the game on tv the screen has an permanent the image of a dumpster on fire.[/quote]

Right, the image is so constant I am afraid it is going to burn into my screen and I will see it while watching other channels. My wife might be watching The Big Bang Theory, and she will say "why does it look like there is a burning dumpster fire" and I will have to say, "don't worry, that's just the Redskins".

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1097254]I disagree.





I think if we can get a stable O-line on the guard position and find a safety who isn't trying to boost his espn resume. You can for sure be a great team with McCoy at QB. Atleast have him coach up a young QB.. Even if that QB is Kirk.[/QUOTE]


Shouldnt be hard to bolster the oline and db's with cap money and a first round pick. When was the last time we had all of that?
I agree about Colt and KC. You only have to look as far back as this year! With a secondary and oline this team would have won 4-5 more games imo. We would have won three more without Griff at QB! This team is not as far gone as everyone thinks.
Ive said it once and ill say it again, this is the most crucial offseason we are facing in years. If we eff it up reaching for players and drafting with our heads up our asses than all bets are off and this team can go straight to hell for all i care. Bring in a real GM, and DC - should be priority number one the second the offseason is upon us.


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Colt McCoy is Colt McCoy, what it boils down to is Gruden. Does Gruden have the credibility to let him bet it all on Beck I mean Colt?

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[quote=punch it in;1097276]Shouldnt be hard to bolster the oline and db's with cap money and a first round pick. When was the last time we had all of that?
I agree about Colt and KC. You only have to look as far back as this year! With a secondary and oline this team would have won 4-5 more games imo. We would have won three more without Griff at QB! This team is not as far gone as everyone thinks.
Ive said it once and ill say it again, this is the most crucial offseason we are facing in years. If we eff it up reaching for players and drafting with our heads up our asses than all bets are off and this team can go straight to hell for all i care. Bring in a real GM, and DC - should be priority number one the second the offseason is upon us.


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It's hard to build an oline. 1st round linemen are often busts.

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[quote=Bucket;1097112]You do realize that outside the one screen pass. That Morris is the checkdown? I mean, I can't even take you seriously if you think it's designed to throw to Morris in those situations.[/quote]

I have heard Gruden say out his mouth he was gonna try to use Morris as a receiver. He said it before the season and he is trying it but its just not working.

Also, Ever game I have watched and Rak plays, he pressures the QB. He might not get a sack but he pressures every play. What number is Murphy again?

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[quote=over the mountain;1097207]QB A: 273.3 passing yds/gm

QB B: 249 yds/gm

QB C: 147.8 yds/gm

which QB do you think RG3 is?

stat that may surprise you - we are 10th in passing in the NFL. Imagine our rank if QB C didnt play 3-4 games.

i am a RG3 fan but gruden doesnt deserve the axe or majority of the blame for this season imo.

didnt gruden's play calling just get noodle armed journey man colt mccoy 392 yds, 3 tds no ints? .... and you blame gruden for that? you call that a qb bust?

yeah gruden sucks man .. we totally should have won 50-49.[/quote]



You pulling out stats? Being a Redskins fan I have experience judging new coaches and Gruden has done nothing at all.

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[quote=over the mountain;1097232]11 games in my friend.

did gruden lose the games last year for us as well?

lets give the man at least 1 offseason to work with journeyman talent like colt and then judge him at seasons end.

just give the dude 1 offseason with a coachable QB and a better defense.

there are no better alternatives. there are no quick fixes.[/quote]

what has Gruden done to earn this type of loyalty and respect. He is an Arena League coach.

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1097280]It's hard to build an oline. 1st round linemen are often busts.[/QUOTE]


Nobody said it was easy. Nobody said they had to be drafted. We have cap money.
The same could be said for every position anyway. Nobody is a sure thing. Look at your man RG-3.
Regardless it has to be adressed. So unless you know some other way to build our oline we have to take a chance.


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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097278]Colt McCoy is Colt McCoy, what it boils down to is Gruden. Does Gruden have the credibility to let him bet it all on [B]Beck I mean Colt?[/B][/quote]

Colt is way beyond Beck in terms of reading defenses and getting the ball out. No fair comparing a second stringer to a third stringer.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097283]what has Gruden done to earn this type of loyalty and respect. He is an Arena League coach.[/quote]

It's not loyalty, it's just... I dunno. Common sense. If you undertake a new job and you screw it up at first, does that mean you're always going to suck at it?

Maybe part of the reason why we're so awful is the fact we've gone through 7 coaches in the past 14 years?

The only other team in the NFC East that comes close to that is the Cowboys and they've only had 4.

We have absolutely zero consistency when it comes to the coaching staff, and the people we are consistent with (i.e. Haz, Morris) are the ones that don't deserve it.

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I'm beginning to wonder if gary84clark is a fan, or just some poor unfortunate fellow that loves to be mad. Might have been a Brown's fan in the brown bag days....Dan Snyder bought the skins, and a while later Gary bought a haynesworth jersey.
He must watch the haters ball sketch on chapelle show on repeat...just chanting "hate hate hate hate"

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We've had 4 coaches since 2004, so an average of 2.5 yrs per coach. Zorn shoulda been canned after his first year. Shanahan got more time than he should have. Gruden needs to improve a ton these last games to deserve keeping the job. Good HC's are found every season, and even "bad" franchises like the Browns and lions find them.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1097289]I'm beginning to wonder if gary84clark is a fan, or just some poor unfortunate fellow that loves to be mad. Might have been a Brown's fan in the brown bag days....Dan Snyder bought the skins, and a while later Gary bought a haynesworth jersey.
He must watch the haters ball sketch on chapelle show on repeat...just chanting "hate hate hate hate"[/quote]

Speaking of jersey's I'm never buying another one again.

Bought Champ Bailey - Traded
Bought Sean Taylor - Deceased
Gifted RG3 - Most likely trade bait.


I think the reason we're awful is because I keep getting Redskins merch.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097291]Speaking of jersey's I'm never buying another one again.

Bought Champ Bailey - Traded
Bought Sean Taylor - Deceased
Gifted RG3 - Most likely trade bait.


I think the reason we're awful is because I keep getting Redskins merch.[/quote]

Go find some Snyder/Allen merch

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097291]Speaking of jersey's I'm never buying another one again.

Bought Champ Bailey - Traded
Bought Sean Taylor - Deceased
Gifted RG3 - Most likely trade bait.


I think the reason we're awful is because I keep getting Redskins merch.[/quote]

Yup...all past players from here on out....

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sell me your Ryan Kerrigan???

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097280]It's hard to build an oline. 1st round linemen are often busts.[/quote]

Known fact, huh?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1097281]I have heard Gruden say out his mouth he was gonna try to use Morris as a receiver. He said it before the season and he is trying it but its just not working.

Also, [B]Ever game I have watched and Rak plays, he pressures the QB[/B]. He might not get a sack but he pressures every play. What number is Murphy again?[/quote]

So I take it you have that 2009 game against the Raiders on permanent repeat huh?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1097305]So I take it you have that 2009 game against the Raiders on permanent repeat huh?[/quote]

Gary is mostly spot on on this one. Murphy does have more sacks than Rak had, but the sack totals are misleading in this case. Rak was constantly around the QB(at least when he rushed), he just couldn't ever close the deal this year for some reason. Murphy is a rookie, and it definitely shows. He doesn't bring near the heat Rak did(it's funny how when I type Rak it autocorrects to Rank.:D)

Kerrigan-Rak>Kerrigan-Murphy, and it's really not close at this point. I think Murphy can eventually be a good all-around rusher, but developing an outside rush will take time. He's not the athlete Kerrigan and especially Rak are, but he seems like a smart and instinctual player. In terms of playing style, the Jared Allen comparison is accurate IMO.

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[quote=SirLK26;1097309]Gary is mostly spot on on this one. Murphy has more sacks than Rak had, but the sack totals are misleading in this case. Rak was constantly around the QB when he rushed, he just couldn't ever close the deal this year for some reason. Murphy is a rookie, and it definitely shows. He doesn't bring near the heat Rak did(it's funny how when I type Rak it autocorrects to Rank. :D )

Kerrigan-Rak>Kerrigan-Murphy, and it's really not close at this point. I think Murphy can eventually be a good all-around rusher, but developing an outside rush will take time. He's not the athlete Kerrigan and especially Rak are, but he seems like a smart and instinctual player. In terms of playing style, the Jared Allen comparison is accurate IMO.[/quote]

Jared Allen??? Murphy's solid against the run, but he's a terrible pass rusher. I mean he doesn't even sniff the QB at all. I'm getting the feeling that this was not a good draft pick.

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Yeah, I'm obviously not talking about talent. Allen isn't a great athlete, but he wins because he's smart, tough, and hustles. That's the type of player Murphy is.

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[url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/sean-taylor-laron-landry-facemask-tape]LaRon Landry honors Sean Taylor with facemask tape during Redskins game | For The Win[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097288]It's not loyalty, it's just... I dunno. Common sense. If you undertake a new job and you screw it up at first, does that mean you're always going to suck at it?

Maybe part of the reason why we're so awful is the fact we've gone through 7 coaches in the past 14 years?

The only other team in the NFC East that comes close to that is the Cowboys and they've only had 4.

We have absolutely zero consistency when it comes to the coaching staff, and the people we are consistent with (i.e. Haz, Morris) are the ones that don't deserve it.[/quote]

If he goes 3-13 then bye bye.

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[quote=punch it in;1097284]Nobody said it was easy. Nobody said they had to be drafted. We have cap money.
The same could be said for every position anyway. Nobody is a sure thing. Look at your man RG-3.
Regardless it has to be adressed. So unless you know some other way to build our oline we have to take a chance.


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There are quite few teams trying to revamp their o-line that is gonna take expertise and know how. I am not sure we have that anymore.

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[quote=SirLK26;1097309]Gary is mostly spot on on this one. Murphy does have more sacks than Rak had, but the sack totals are misleading in this case. Rak was constantly around the QB(at least when he rushed), he just couldn't ever close the deal this year for some reason. Murphy is a rookie, and it definitely shows. He doesn't bring near the heat Rak did(it's funny how when I type Rak it autocorrects to Rank.:D)

Kerrigan-Rak>Kerrigan-Murphy, and it's really not close at this point. I think Murphy can eventually be a good all-around rusher, but developing an outside rush will take time. He's not the athlete Kerrigan and especially Rak are, but he seems like a smart and instinctual player. In terms of playing style, the Jared Allen comparison is accurate IMO.[/quote]

So Rak puts pressure on the QB every single game then....ok, I didnt say anything about Murphy. I was referring to his statement that Rak puts pressure on the QB all the time.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097315][url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/sean-taylor-laron-landry-facemask-tape]LaRon Landry honors Sean Taylor with facemask tape during Redskins game | For The Win[/url][/quote]

:goodjob: D-30 we miss him to.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1097309]Gary is mostly spot on on this one. Murphy does have more sacks than Rak had, but the sack totals are misleading in this case. Rak was constantly around the QB(at least when he rushed), he just couldn't ever close the deal this year for some reason. Murphy is a rookie, and it definitely shows. He doesn't bring near the heat Rak did(it's funny how when I type Rak it autocorrects to Rank.:D)



Kerrigan-Rak>Kerrigan-Murphy, and it's really not close at this point. I think Murphy can eventually be a good all-around rusher, but developing an outside rush will take time. He's not the athlete Kerrigan and especially Rak are, but he seems like a smart and instinctual player. In terms of playing style, the Jared Allen comparison is accurate IMO.[/QUOTE]


How is Gary spot on? All he says is Rak is great and Murphy sucks. Last time I checked Murphy is a rookie, and he isnt getting paid like Rak was.
If you think the Jared Allen comparison is a good one for Murphy than how the hell are you going to agree with Gary that he sucks.
I swear the we need to start winning because the logic and posts are looking awfully 3-13 ish too around here.
Edit: also im with Quake - rak didnt put pressure on the qb all the time. Not even close. How quickly we forget.
Edit 2; im not necessarily referring directly to your post as much as the overall-fire Gruden, Murphy sucks, etc

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[quote=punch it in;1097322]How is Gary spot on? All he says is Rak is great and Murphy sucks. Last time I checked Murphy is a rookie, and he isnt getting paid like Rak was.
If you think the Jared Allen comparison is a good one for Murphy than how the hell are you going to agree with Gary that he sucks.
I swear the we need to start winning because the logic and posts are looking awfully 3-13 ish too around here.
Edit: also im with Quake - rak didnt put pressure on the qb all the time. Not even close. How quickly we forget.
Edit 2; im not necessarily referring directly to your post as much as the overall-fire Gruden, Murphy sucks, etc

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G84C was referring to how much more pressure Rak gets than Murphy, and I was agreeing with him on that. I guess I should have quoted his post instead of EARTHQUAKE's.

As for the Jared Allen comparison, I've said twice already that I'm not comparing them skill-wise. I'm saying their styles of play are similar. Someone from CBS Sports made the comparison pre-draft, and I agree with it. Murphy has a long ways to go to reach Allen's skill level, but I like his toughness and smarts and definitely think he can be a solid starter eventually.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1097328]G84C was referring to how much more pressure Rak gets than Murphy, and I was agreeing with him on that. I guess I should have quoted his post instead of EARTHQUAKE's.



As for the Jared Allen comparison, I've said twice already that I'm not comparing them skill-wise. I'm saying their styles of play are similar. Someone from CBS Sports made the comparison pre-draft, and I agree with it. Murphy has a long ways to go to reach Allen's skill level, but I like his toughness and smarts and definitely think he can be a solid starter eventually.[/QUOTE]


Fair enough but lets look at the whole picture - Rak was drafted and paid to do a hell of alot more than he did. Murphy although probably taken a round or two too soon is doing just fine as a rookie (while being coached by one of the bigger jokes of a DC in the league).


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[quote=punch it in;1097329]Fair enough but lets look at the whole picture - Rak was drafted and paid to do a hell of alot more than he did. Murphy although probably taken a round or two too soon is doing just fine as a rookie (while being coached by one of the bigger jokes of a DC in the league).


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He has no explosion.

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Pfffttttt....I dont miss Landry and i wont miss Rak.
They both waaaay underachieved for the price we paid, not to mention they were/are IR queens.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1097354]Pfffttttt....I dont miss Landry and i wont miss Rak.

They both waaaay underachieved for the price we paid, not to mention they were/are IR queens.[/QUOTE]


Pretty much sums it up. Lets not forget Landrys bone headed personal foul penalties he used to like to get in big moments....


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[quote=Chico23231;1097267]Well problem number one is when i tune in for the game on tv the screen has an permanent the image of a dumpster on fire.[/quote]

I mean, just look at the effort on this play. Simply embarrassing.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3ZzWKXaU4[/url]

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If Danny boy does fire Gruden then he should fire the entire coaching staff.
[quote=Gary84Clark;1097317]If he goes 3-13 then bye bye.[/quote]

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[quote=mooby;1097359]I mean, just look at the effort on this play. Simply embarrassing.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3ZzWKXaU4[/url][/quote]

lol....but the question is "who are our fireman" in that video?

I think if Gruden is allowed to implement "his way" without "Danny & the Lackies" (aka the band playing on the sinking titanic) interferring and a new GM...that could be the way to turn the franchise around.

I still want to know, [B][U]who is responsible for bringing back Haslett [/U][/B]and who bullshited everyone with "oh Haslett was never able to run his own show"...[B][U]that's the first one who would be fired in the FO[/U][/B].

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[quote=Chico23231;1097362]lol....but the question is "who are our fireman" in that video?

I think if Gruden is allowed to implement "his way" without "Danny & the Lackies" (aka the band playing on the sinking titanic) interferring and a new GM...that could be the way to turn the franchise around.

I still want to know, [B][U]who is responsible for bringing back Haslett [/U][/B]and who bullshited everyone with "oh Haslett was never able to run his own show"...[B][U]that's the first one who would be fired in the FO[/U][/B].[/quote]


I really feel Haslett takes the blows for his defense but idk man. Haslett doesnt blow the simple cover 2 zones and he doesnt miss tackles. I really think with a good safety to playn overtop that is faster than a fullback would be a lot better than.

I enjoy his aggressive scheme and he plays against rivals well. I just thinkn its a player issue more than a coach

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[quote=Bucket;1097363]I really feel Haslett takes the blows for his defense but idk man. Haslett doesnt blow the simple cover 2 zones and he doesnt miss tackles. I really think with a good safety to playn overtop that is faster than a fullback would be a lot better than.

I enjoy his aggressive scheme and he plays against rivals well. I just thinkn its a player issue more than a coach[/quote]

problem is then, he had 5 years...why doesnt he have the personel again?

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[quote=Chico23231;1097365]problem is then, he had 5 years...why doesnt he have the personel again?[/quote]

Because we haven't upgraded at all. The defensive backfield in 2010 were:

Kevin Barnes
Phillip Buchanan
Doughty
D. Hall
Chris Horton
Landry
Kareem Moore
Carlos Rogers
Byron Westbrook

Now we have:

D. Hall
Amerson
Biggers
Breeland
Ducre
Minnifield
Porter
Clark
Meriweather
P. Thomas
Trenton Robinson
Akeem Davis (who?)

Most of these dudes are either rookies or flat out suck. No one other than D. Hall and Breeland are no brainer keepers. Amerson and Thomas could be thrown in. Maybe. Everyone else could easily be replaced.

We haven't upgraded since 2010 just side graded; replaced one dude with someone else of equal skills and upside.