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Here is the whole piece.



[url]https://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-2015-season-predictions-part-1-the-cellar-dwellers/[/url]

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1119452]ugg... this is from Grantland today.


The life-saving Pro-Football-Reference.com has an interception percentage index statistic that adjusts a quarterback’s interception rate for the era in which he plays. Over his first three seasons, Cousins’s INT%+ is a dismal 66. Nobody in the history of the National Football League whose total number of pass attempts over their first three seasons equals Cousins’s total has thrown interceptions at a higher rate (relative to their peers) than he has. He took that title away from Ryan Leaf, who is the only other player in the 60s, at 67. That somehow makes it worse.[/quote]

I don't see how they arrived at Cousin's "66" sounds like fun with numbers to me. A lot of those guys with high INTs don't average almost 300 yards a game passing like Kirk did last year. I think Leaf averaged less than 150 a game. Kirk still has upside. You know what you get with Colt, his best usually
isn't good enough and Griffin gets worse by the day.

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I just don't look at any of our OBs with burgundy colored glassed. This year seems to me to be heading alot like the Beck/Grossman year. When I hear guys like Gruden say we have three great Qbs to me it sounds like we don'e have one on the roster at all(cliche). Gruden even tried to down play that cliche in one of his pressers.

When RG III failed to look any better in the preseason than he did last year I lost most of the hope I had for a successful season.

Yeah I am a little salty on the skins at this point. I love this team and I am not jumping ship.

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My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

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I'm past the whole RGIII in dc working idea. However, I am also done with Gruden. He doesn't seem like he has any clue and frankly a guy who is stubborn about his system and doesn't adjust to his players strengths is not a good coach IMO. That is the origins of "coaching."

When personnel extraordinaire shanarat criticizes you for not adjusting to your players' strengths...well...you aren't that good.

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[quote=Paintrain;1119473]My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

[B]Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.[/B][/quote]


We all "hope" we are wrong, but I agree.


kingj

"I'm past the whole RGIII in dc working idea. However, I am also done with Gruden. He doesn't seem like he has any clue and frankly a guy who is stubborn about his system and doesn't adjust to his players strengths is not a good coach IMO. That is the origins of "coaching."

[B]When personnel extraordinaire shanarat criticizes you for not adjusting to your players' strengths...well...you aren't that good.[/B]"

You are 100% right. The system should be adapted for your players strengths. If you are failing to do that then you are not a good coach. Its like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. The coach is being stubborn to a point of hurting everyone.

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[quote=Paintrain;1119473]My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.[/quote]

I think you have a reasonable assessment of Cousins but I do think if projects out this year with those numbers that we are at 5 or 6 wins for sure. At 6 wins, I'm optimistic, 7 wins or more this year and I'm excited about 2016..

Sunday is going be a good bellwether. The Dolphins have a better team this year but have some weaknesses. If we are competitive and are within 4 points, I think that gives us some positive momentum moving on into the season. I'm a Dolphins fan as well as a Skins fan, so honestly I'll be happy either way but the numbnuts on the Dolphins forums are calling for blowout wins. This team has question marks but I think we are poised to start turning this thing around this year.

I don't think Cousins is fools gold though. He has the tools to be competitive in the league and should be a starter in 2016 whether it's in Landover or elsewhere. As I've said before, interceptions aren't the primary metric that I will judge him by. If he throws 25-30 Ints this year but plays well otherwise, then I want him back as the starter in 2016.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1119454]I don't see how they arrived at Cousin's "66" sounds like fun with numbers to me. A lot of those guys with high INTs don't average almost 300 yards a game passing like Kirk did last year. I think Leaf averaged less than 150 a game. Kirk still has upside. You know what you get with Colt, his best usually
isn't good enough and Griffin gets worse by the day.[/quote]

The + rate they're coming up with is an index, it's indexed about the number 100. In other words, if you take a look at every QB season in NFL history, the QB who is exactly average when it comes to INT rate scores a 100.

Players with lower INT rates will score higher than 100. So if the INT rate for a QB was 120, then that's saying their INT rate is estimated at 20% better than the average bear.

Cousins is 34% worse. They're saying worst rate in history.

No doubt he'll be among league leaders in picks this year, you just want to see signs of improvement.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1119415]...His talent in this system isn't worth the distraction quite honesty.

So ultimately Griffin being off this team makes it a better team in the locker room and from a PR standpoint. From a "on the field" standpoint, it really doesn't affect us whether he's on the squad or off of it. All this is purely disregarding the 16 mil as well.[/QUOTE]I have no doubt that Griffin casts a large shadow over Cousins and Jay.

But removing Griffin from the equation doesn't decrease the need for Kirk and J to produce. They need to produce regardless of the "distraction" Griffin causes. And removing Griffin only removes part of the distraction, Jay and the Redskins as whole create plenty of distraction all on their own. For me removing Griffin from the team just removes Griffin as a fallback option, it moves a safety net. If I'm Scott I can definitely see the value in hedging on Jay's all in push with Kirk by hanging on to Griffin.

I wanted to keep the 16 mil separate because it certainly in and of itself is valid reason for Griffin to be off the team. But, I'm guessing that if the team approached Griffin to alter/rescind/restructure the option/contract to stay on the team I bet he would be open to it. If he's not then, Vaya con Dios.

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The question of keeping RGIII as a fall-back option, to me, is a question of risk/reward balancing. First, it is based on an assumption that KC/JG fail b/c, if they succeed, then no reason at all to keep RGIII.

Assuming they fail, what value does Griffin provide as a fall-back option? I would suggest minimal to none. Keeping him to foist on yet another regime, IMHO, limits potential coaching hires - "He couldn't make it work with his last two coaches, but he's your QB." Pretty sure that would be a deal breaker for a lot of guys. Even if the potential hire is told "Look, just kick the tires. If he doesn't work out for you, you don't have to play him," what coach wants to walk into that or would trust that statement? Would you? Two coaches out the door and RGIII still hangs around.

The more I look at it the more I am convinced that - as much as I wish it wasn't true - RGIII's time here should end. It's time to cut our losses and move on. Even if JG was responsible for his further regression, I just don't see any scenario where a coach comes here and revitalizes his career.

At this point, I just don't see an offense that works for him, and, contrary to your opinion, I don't see a SM driven clean-sweep as a bad thing. New coach gets his QB and is not saddled with an injury prone guy who, after four years in the league, is basically still a developmental QB who cannot seem to avoid off the field drama.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1119485]I have no doubt that Griffin casts a large shadow over Cousins and Jay.

But removing Griffin from the equation doesn't decrease the need for Kirk and J to produce. They need to produce regardless of the "distraction" Griffin causes. And removing Griffin only removes part of the distraction, Jay and the Redskins as whole create plenty of distraction all on their own. For me removing Griffin from the team just removes Griffin as a fallback option, it moves a safety net. If I'm Scott I can definitely see the value in hedging on Jay's all in push with Kirk by hanging on to Griffin.

I wanted to keep the 16 mil separate because it certainly in and of itself is valid reason for Griffin to be off the team. But, I'm guessing that if the team approached Griffin to alter/rescind/restructure the option/contract to stay on the team I bet he would be open to it. If he's not then, Vaya con Dios.[/QUOTE]
Can I ask why you think Griffin would be open to altering the 5th year option? Cooley in his radio show said he wouldn't if it was him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1119489]Can I ask why you think Griffin would be open to altering the 5th year option? Cooley in his radio show said he wouldn't if it was him.[/quote]

Realistically RG3 is going to have to do a new contract one way or the other. Whether it's here or somewhere else.

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This whole griffin conversation is old now. We drafted a heisman bust. That's it. How many years does a team keep a heisman bust?
Get rid of dead weight. The. End.
This whole thing has gotten ridiculous. I was all about the trade to get him, and all about his play in year one. He has regressed every year since.
I don't have stats, or fancy talk to back this up. Just what I've seen and heard. He has shown negative progress. On the field. Jg has a 5 year contract and is in year number 2. Griffin is on year 4 of a 4 year contract with a 1 year extension. This one's simple. Gruden has more time left than griff. So talking about how if Gruden fails being the reason griff should stay doesn't add up. That's assuming you KNOW Gruden is getting tossed after this year. For all intents and purposes....Griffin is way closer to the door, based on the contracts.

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This fucking guy...

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZvUt0WwAICgY-.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1119506]This fucking guy...

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZvUt0WwAICgY-.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Looks like that concussion really did a number on him.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119490]Realistically RG3 is going to have to do a new contract one way or the other. Whether it's here or somewhere else.[/quote]

If he doesn't think he will be cut, he wouldn't alter the contract. In other words, if he thinks his relationship with DS overrides the football side, why would he.

And also, maybe he wants to use it to force the team to cut him so he can try to go somewhere he wants instead of having the team dictate the trade talks.

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[quote=Paintrain;1119473]My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.[/quote]

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1119507]Looks like that concussion really did a number on him.[/QUOTE]


Not that I disagree, but is it possible he was coerced/nudged into backtracking?

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[quote=kingj;1119514]Not that I disagree, but is it possible he was coerced/nudged into backtracking?[/quote]

No.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1119506]This fucking guy...

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZvUt0WwAICgY-.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

excuse me.. I have to go find that "I was wrong when" post..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1119512]I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.[/quote]

So you would bet everything you own that KC can throw for 200 yards per game? Thats not exactly a very high bar tbh. Im going to go out on a limb here and say if Cousins starts all 16 games and only averages 200 yards per game, that we just flat out suck this year. That would take a monumental improvement from our def as well as Alfred and Jones gaining 1000 rushing yards each to still somewhat but not totally suck.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1119512]I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.[/quote]

I agree. He was on pace for 5000 yards 31 TD and 27 INT last year. If he does that the year. With a good running game. It could mean 7-9 wins

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[quote=NC_Skins;1119506]This fucking guy...

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZvUt0WwAICgY-.jpg[/IMG][/quote]



I'm my best dateline Keith Morrison voice "oh you sneaky social media"


Twitter, where brain cells go to die.

Would love to see a slander suit

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god it sucks being a Redskins fan sometimes. Most here are 7-9 wins and I would be happy... Man so much for the glory days... Most fans now don't even have any idea what the glory days were.

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[quote=Skinzman;1119519]So you would bet everything you own that KC can throw for 200 yards per game? Thats not exactly a very high bar tbh. Im going to go out on a limb here and say if Cousins starts all 16 games and only averages 200 yards per game, that we just flat out suck this year. That would take a monumental improvement from our def as well as Alfred and Jones gaining 1000 rushing yards each to still somewhat but not totally suck.[/quote]

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1119530]Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.[/quote]

I didnt even put that together based on the post you quoted. That went right over my head. My bad...

But yeah, Kirks strength has been that he has moved the offense fairly good. His weaknesses has been turnovers and how he handles adversity.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1119529]god it sucks being a Redskins fan sometimes. Most here are 7-9 wins and I would be happy... Man so much for the glory days... Most fans now don't even have any idea what the glory days were.[/quote]

One day at a time grasshopper.. 7 wins this year is solid progress and with Scot working the draft we're heading back in the direction of the glory days. And I think a lot of guys here are plenty old enough to remember them.. Demanding 12 wins a year isn't realistic right now. If Scot does what Scot does and we can get positive momentum, I think we can get back to where we all want to be but it takes a few years to build a roster out. At least we have football people making football decisions. That only took 16 years..

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Gibbs seems to think highly of Kirk..

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/joe-gibbs-gives-his-take-cousins-redskins-starting-qb]Joe Gibbs gives his take on Cousins as Redskins' starting QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119536]Gibbs seems to think highly of Kirk..

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/joe-gibbs-gives-his-take-cousins-redskins-starting-qb]Joe Gibbs gives his take on Cousins as Redskins' starting QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]Gibbs seems to think highly of Robert also...

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/09/08/joe-gibbs-hasnt-given-up-on-robert-griffin-iii/[/url]

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[quote=30gut;1119538]Gibbs seems to think highly of Robert also...

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/09/08/joe-gibbs-hasnt-given-up-on-robert-griffin-iii/[/url][/quote]

Wow.. Maybe Joe has been a little too close to the Washington area for too long. He's talking from both sides of his mouth.

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[quote=30gut;1119538]Gibbs seems to think highly of Robert also...

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/09/08/joe-gibbs-hasnt-given-up-on-robert-griffin-iii/[/url][/quote]



I wouldn't ever listen to Gibbs on any player. Dude isn't going to be honest about his assessment on these players. Just playing the PC role and bloking smoke up our asses. Kinda like a Larry Michael.

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[FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="4"]“I think first of all the thing that you can say about Robert Griffin is that he won the division his very first year, as a rookie,” Gibbs told the Junkies on 106.7 The Fan Tuesday morning. “We all saw him. He made great plays. You can’t go in that division and win the division unless you’ve got a quarterback that’s really operating. I think he’s proven to people he can do that, and so I think it’s a matter of health, the health issues, making sure that he’s totally healthy.

“And I think you’ve got somebody there that’s got great talent,” Gibbs went on. “Things haven’t gone his way. He’s been hurt. But I think you’ve got somebody there that is a real talent, and has proven that he can do it. It’s not like we’re guessing. This guy’s won the NFC East, and I know how hard that is to do. So I think we’ve got a great talent there. We’re going to start Kirk [Cousins] this week, [and] I think there’s probably still some questions there about Robert, making sure he’s totally healthy.”....He said he has met Kirk Cousins while during some promotional work in the D.C. area, and said that “everybody really liked him as a person.”

“I think he’s very talented, obviously, to be in a position like this and be a starter in the NFL,” Gibbs said. “A quarterback’s very dependent on everything around him, and I think he played extremely well in preseason. And so I think all of us who are Redskins fans, I know everybody’s going to crowd that stadium and be in there and be pulling for him. And so we just hope we get off to a good start.”
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Gibbs = Mr. Political Correct. Like he was ever going to say anything negative about Griffin. If he were coaching today there is no way he'd be playing Griffin. Simply not his type of QB.

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me personally, a person's opinion loses a lot of credibility when they point to 2012 as the reason RG3 is capable of being a competent QB in 2015 or beyond.

Its like some ppl just fell asleep for 3 years or have complete amnesia as to what we have seen for the 3 years post 2012.

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I think Gibbs tactfully states the positives, and minimizes the negatives. He's not out to bash players, and I don't think anything in any of what 30Gut posted should be read as high praise or deep condemnation for either qb. Just putting a Gibbsian spin on it.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1119547]Gibbs = Mr. Political Correct. Like he was ever going to say anything negative about Griffin. If he were coaching today there is no way he'd be playing Griffin. Simply not his type of QB.[/QUOTE]


This.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1119549]I think Gibbs tactfully states the positives, and minimizes the negatives. He's not out to bash players, and I don't think anything in any of what 30Gut posted should be read as high praise or deep condemnation for either qb. Just putting a Gibbsian spin on it.[/quote]

agree, anybody that follows the Skins knows the personality of Gibbs. Thought most knew that...grain of salt

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[B][quote=over the mountain;1119548]me personally, a person's opinion loses a lot of credibility when they point to 2012 as the reason RG3 is capable of being a competent QB in 2015 or beyond. [/B]

Its like some ppl just fell asleep for 3 years or have complete amnesia as to what we have seen for the 3 years post 2012.[/quote]

Go to the 49er Webzone, where I stopped going (I am slowly converting to a full time Redskin fan since moving from California). Over half the members cite his 2012 as the reason Kaepernick is a top 10 QB and the fact the 49ers were 30th in passing yardage is because of poor play calling, a bad
o-line and bad receivers. Nothing to do with the fact Kaepernick sucks.His downfall was when they put a spy on him, he can't seem to find the void in the pass coverage the spy leaves, he is also a one read QB, locks on receivers and takes off feeling pressure that isn't there. It took a
while to expose his flaws. Unlike Griffin, Kaepernick has suffered no major injuries.

I think some fans have either a blind bias or don't understand parts of the game very well. It is very obvious when it comes to people grading pass protection. Most of the time I heard about Peyton Manning always having
the best offensive line because he doesn't get sacked much, at the same time the 49er line sucked because Kaepernick was sacked so much.

If you paid attention you would realize Manning only makes small moves in the
pocket so his lineman know where he is at all times, they are never going to
block someone into him and he is not going to run into a sack. He also makes
very quick decisions, it is hard to get to even an immobile QB who gets the ball out as fast as Manning.

Kaepernick moves around a lot even without real pressure, his lineman don't
know where he is half the time. The ball will still be in his hands well past when Manning has already thrown it. He often locks on a receiver and waits for them to get open, many times holding the ball way too long, if the
receiver doesn't get open he tries to run up field.

Moral of the story, if you put Manning and Kap behind the same line and called
the same plays Kap gets sacked 2-3x more than Manning. The blind Kap homers don't see that. I think the ones who think RG3 2012 will return are
cut from the same mold, they don't see his flaws, at least there aren't that many of them. (Aren't that many blind faith RG3 supporters)

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I dont think Joe Gibbs is blowing smoke up any ones ass. I believe Joe understands that he can get Robert at least a some success because he isnt tied to one system. Joe can coach, Jay can call plays. There is a massive difference. Jay has no concept of game planning. Jay has his system and thats all he knows. His system can get players open, but he needs a specific player to run his system and he has no concept of making changes to fit the personnel. If Jay doesnt have "his guys", Jay fails aka calling plays. If Joe Gibbs doesnt have "his guys" he figures out a way to make them at least somewhat successful aka coaching. I think Joe is saying that I could have success with this guy even though play callers aka Jay cant.

This is not saying that we shouldnt get rid of RG3. Especially if we stick with Jay, thats an absolute no brainer. But I didnt take Gibbs' comments to be politically correct so much as I took it to mean that you are doing it wrong if you are asking him to be Brady or Manning, which he will never be in a million years. I view Joe pointing to 2012 as him saying "Hey Jay, theres more than one way to play football".

I am biased in saying this, as I lived the glory of the original Gibbs/Beathard era. But there will never be another Joe Gibbs. The only guy that even remotely comes close to him now is Belicheck. Give Joe Gibbs a guy like Tom Brady and a moderate cast, and he may win 5 SB's in a row.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1119557]I dont think Joe Gibbs is blowing smoke up any ones ass. I believe Joe understands that he can get Robert at least a some success because he isnt tied to one system. Joe can coach, Jay can call plays. There is a massive difference. Jay has no concept of game planning. Jay has his system and thats all he knows. His system can get players open, but he needs a specific player to run his system and he has no concept of making changes to fit the personnel. If Jay doesnt have "his guys", Jay fails aka calling plays. If Joe Gibbs doesnt have "his guys" he figures out a way to make them at least somewhat successful aka coaching. I think Joe is saying that I could have success with this guy even though play callers aka Jay cant.



This is not saying that we shouldnt get rid of RG3. Especially if we stick with Jay, thats an absolute no brainer. But I didnt take Gibbs' comments to be politically correct so much as I took it to mean that you are doing it wrong if you are asking him to be Brady or Manning, which he will never be in a million years. I view Joe pointing to 2012 as him saying "Hey Jay, theres more than one way to play football".



I am biased in saying this, as I lived the glory of the original Gibbs/Beathard era. But there will never be another Joe Gibbs. The only guy that even remotely comes close to him now is Belicheck. Give Joe Gibbs a guy like Tom Brady and a moderate cast, and he may win 5 SB's in a row.[/QUOTE]


Good points, I actually retract what I said before. Gibbs was an amazing coach who adjusted perfectly to his personnel. He could win with any of these 3 QBs.

Gruden is stubborn and he's going to lose his job if cousins experiment fails