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[quote=53Fan;1129735][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-DeSean-Jackson-Chris-Culliver-weigh-in-on-the-call-41325139]Redskins: DeSean Jackson, Chris Culliver weigh in on 'the call'[/url]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the team quit. I'm sure it took a lot of air out of their sails...how could it not? That INT and return for a TD was HUGE for us. To have it taken away definitely had an impact and I think before some of the guys got over the disbelief of such an incredibly inept, totally ridiculous call of such magnitude, things snowballed in a hurry. The Panthers took advantage of our obvious lack of focus at that point and we got steamrolled. Once a play is over its over. Hard as it may be, forget it and keep ballin'. It ain't coming back.[/quote]

If it was just THAT call, I might agree, but there were 2 more huge momentum swinging calls on the 2 very next drives (which I laid out a few replies ago) that seemed to pile on to the Culliver reversal that I can definitely see dejecting the team.

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[quote=Schneed10;1129727]Poor tackling and undisciplined penalties definitely land square in the laps of the coaches.

I think we've got a pretty average coaching staff. Give them elite talent and they'll get outsmarted in the playoffs by the best coaches.

Jay knows how to scheme an offense and keep the chains moving. But the staff doesn't keep the team disciplined enough to avoid penalties. Players stop pursuing plays when they think their teammate has made a tackle, there's no discipline there.

[B]Gregg Williams made sure there were always 6 Redskins meeting at the ball carrier. [/B] That's not happening here. I'm definitely not satisfied with the coaching staff.[/quote]

He also had us turned around his first year with us, we were the #3 ranked defense in 2004. Seems like every d-coordinator we've hired after him has had the excuse of "wait till he brings his guys in here."

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4-6 = 1 game out of both first and last place. NFC East football baby!!!

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[quote=NoCalHail;1129737]If it was just THAT call, I might agree, but there were 2 more huge momentum swinging calls on the 2 very next drives (which I laid out a few replies ago) that seemed to pile on to the Culliver reversal that I can definitely see dejecting the team.[/quote]

Oh I completely agree that wasn't the only idiotic call of the day. Far from it. But it's being called, "The Call" for a reason. Imo it had the most impact. Without it we have the lead and the other plays most likely never happen. I don't think the players quit at any point during the game, but I do believe that call caused enough distraction among our guys that they weren't completely focused on the play at hand on every down after that call.

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Hilarious, they asked Trent Williams what they need to get the run game going and he simply said "attempts". Lol poor game plan, poor play calling, giving up on the run

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[quote=NoCalHail;1129729]With a half a day to digest the game there's no reason to say the officiating "cost the game" but I do think with a good certainty that they definitely had a big part in swinging momentum at 3 specific points in the game on very sketchy borderline calls.

Call #1 - The Culliver call. This is the most obvious one, it takes points off the board. It was a big physical play that had the potential to turn the game in our favor or at least put the Panthers in a different position for the first time in the game. If they are calling THAT unnecessary roughness then how on earth did they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Reed on our series before? The defender dove into Reed helmet first and speared him and there was no call.

Call #2 On that Panthers drive that continued because of Call #1 (I believe it was that drive) Panthers were 2nd and goal and the pass is incomplete, setting up a 3rd and goal....oh except they call illegal contact on another very weak justification. This gives the Panthers 1st and goal and they end up with a TD. I'd say this one was more of a "who knows what would have happened" type call because the Panthers did still have 3rd down to score, but if our defense holds and they kick a FG it is a big deal for the defense.

Call #3 - another obvious one, the phantom "hold" by Reed on Cousins's scramble to the 4 yard line to setup 1st and goal. I'm sorry by Reed's arms weren't extended and when you are body to body you can have the jersey in the shoulder pad area. Just another razor thin call that takes away a huge play. 1st and goal, could cut the game to 21-28 going into half time.

Like I said, we don't win the game merely because these calls don't happen, but it really seemed like the team was dejected after this series of events as the game went from competitive to a laugher within half a quarter of play.[/quote]

You can add the fumble that wasn't a fumble because the ball Carrier never lost possession till after he was on the ground.

They didn't even review it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1129741]Hilarious, they asked Trent Williams what they need to get the run game going and he simply said "attempts". Lol poor game plan, poor play calling, giving up on the run[/quote]

Agreed. With only something like 7 attempts running the ball it's hard to have a running game.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1129743]You can add the fumble that wasn't a fumble because the ball Carrier never lost possession till after he was on the ground.



They didn't even review it.[/QUOTE]


How the F did they not review that play? I haven't seen an official explanation yet.

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[quote=Chico23231;1129741]Hilarious, they asked Trent Williams what they need to get the run game going and he simply said "attempts". Lol poor game plan, poor play calling, giving up on the run[/quote]

Did he really? good for trent.

If gruden says "the short passing game is an extension of the run game" in today's presser, I am going to drive down to ashburn and punch him in his fucking face.

if darrell young is not used in at least 15 snaps against the giants, im driving down to ashburn and punching mcvay and callahan in their fucking faces.

I really hope the reporters ask about the run game and not focus solely on the penalties which we have already heard about a ton.

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[quote=over the mountain;1129747]Did he really? good for trent.

If gruden says "the short passing game is an extension of the run game" in today's presser, I am going to drive down to ashburn and punch him in his fucking face.

if darrell young is not used in at least 15 snaps against the giants, im driving down to ashburn and punching mcvay and callahan in their fucking faces.

I really hope the reporters ask about the run game and not focus solely on the penalties which we have already heard about a ton.[/quote]

players know this Offense coaching staff is a joke

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[quote=NoCalHail;1129729]With a half a day to digest the game there's no reason to say the officiating "cost the game" but I do think with a good certainty that they definitely had a big part in swinging momentum at 3 specific points in the game on very sketchy borderline calls.

Call #1 - The Culliver call. This is the most obvious one, it takes points off the board. It was a big physical play that had the potential to turn the game in our favor or at least put the Panthers in a different position for the first time in the game. If they are calling THAT unnecessary roughness then how on earth did they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Reed on our series before? The defender dove into Reed helmet first and speared him and there was no call.

Call #2 On that Panthers drive that continued because of Call #1 (I believe it was that drive) Panthers were 2nd and goal and the pass is incomplete, setting up a 3rd and goal....oh except they call illegal contact on another very weak justification. This gives the Panthers 1st and goal and they end up with a TD. I'd say this one was more of a "who knows what would have happened" type call because the Panthers did still have 3rd down to score, but if our defense holds and they kick a FG it is a big deal for the defense.

Call #3 - another obvious one, the phantom "hold" by Reed on Cousins's scramble to the 4 yard line to setup 1st and goal. I'm sorry by Reed's arms weren't extended and when you are body to body you can have the jersey in the shoulder pad area. Just another razor thin call that takes away a huge play. 1st and goal, could cut the game to 21-28 going into half time.

Like I said, we don't win the game merely because these calls don't happen, but it really seemed like the team was dejected after this series of events as the game went from competitive to a laugher within half a quarter of play.[/quote]

The NFL has to do something about the over-officiating, its starting to make the games unwatchable. To me the constant barrage of flags is killing the excitement and flow of the game and after call 3 I turned off the game because I just couldn't take watching the refs continue to insert themselves into the game with ticky-tack calls.

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Cousins doesn't play well against the Giants. Morris needs at least 25 carries. Pound the ball and double team Beckham. 2 keys to game.

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I'm moving on from this last game. Ready for Thanksgiving and pounding the Giants!

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One thing I am really tired of is seeing these tall tight ends dip their head/helmet downward to brace for impact against a defender and then the defender gets called for a blow to the head. To me it absolutely must be factored in as to which player is initiating the contact to the helmet.

They did this with RB's already, where they aren't allowed to use their helmet to drive into a defender (although it goes uncalled all the time).

It's like the NFL has come to the conclusion that every single injury ever is caused by the defense.

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[quote=irish;1129752]The NFL has to do something about the over-officiating, its starting to make the games unwatchable. To me the constant barrage of flags is killing the excitement and flow of the game and after call 3 I turned off the game because I just couldn't take watching the refs continue to insert themselves into the game with ticky-tack calls.[/quote]

Amen!

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[quote=irish;1129752]The NFL has to do something about the over-officiating, its starting to make the games unwatchable. To me the constant barrage of flags is killing the excitement and flow of the game and after call 3 I turned off the game because I just couldn't take watching the refs continue to insert themselves into the game with ticky-tack calls.[/quote]

I feel the same way.

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[quote=Schneed10;1129727]Poor tackling and undisciplined penalties definitely land square in the laps of the coaches.

I think we've got a pretty average coaching staff. Give them elite talent and they'll get outsmarted in the playoffs by the best coaches.

Jay knows how to scheme an offense and keep the chains moving. But the staff doesn't keep the team disciplined enough to avoid penalties. Players stop pursuing plays when they think their teammate has made a tackle, there's no discipline there.

Gregg Williams made sure there were always 6 Redskins meeting at the ball carrier. That's not happening here. I'm definitely not satisfied with the coaching staff.[/quote]

I totally agree, he look likes the next Bill Walsh against a college defense. This guy doesn't demand perfect from his players. The offsides, the uniforms fines, and the inconsistency of the way he play players. If you pick one player over another one b/c he is better to play qb, then why don't you drop one who can't tackle over another one. The leadership is terrible, he will probably win Sunday or the Monday night game. But he will never get us over the top. Best to move on after the season and regroup with a move leadership style coach as we get rid of these me first type of guys!

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Looking over the schedules, Dallas and Philly are in trouble, and I think the division comes down to the Redskins and Giants.

Dallas probably has 3 more losses (and maybe more) in its future. They play: Panthers (10-0), Packers (7-3), Jets (5-5), Bills (5-4), and Redskins (4-6) twice. I don't see them beating the Panthers, Packers and both the Bills and Jets (even taking us out of the mix). That puts them at 10 losses and out of contention.

The Eagles situation is arguably worse. They will probably lose at least 3 more and possibly more, as they play: Lions (3-7), Patriots (9-0), Bills (5-4), Cardinals (8-2), Redskins (4-6), and Giants (5-5). I don't see them beating the Patriots, Bills or Cardinals, and right now I like our chances and the Giants' chances against them too. That puts them at 9 losses (or more).

The Giants are the team to beat, and we simply must win this weekend in order to be in contention. Their schedule is a bit tougher than ours, but we cannot assume we can lose to them twice and win the division. The play: Redskins (4-6), Jets (5-5), Dolphins (4-6), Panthers (10-0), Vikings (7-3), and Eagles (4-6). I figure they likely lose to the Panthers and Vikings, and maybe the Jets. So maybe 8 losses.

As I see it, we have to go 4-2 with one of those wins against the Giants if we are going to take the division. Our opponents have a combined record of 21-28: Giants (5-5), Bears (4-6), Bills (5-4), Eagles (4-6), and Cowboys (3-7) twice. If we can beat the Giants, I think we have to beat the Bears, Eagles, and Dallas (at least once), and then we're both at 8-8, with a better record in the NFC than the Giants.

Both teams ought to be thinking that this weekend's game will likely determine the winner of the NFC East. And I hope we come to play. Since we seem to play every other weekend, let's hope this weekend our D and running game decide to show up.

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[quote=Chico23231;1129748]players know this Offense coaching staff is a joke[/quote]

You're a joke if you think the players think that and think we had a chance to run the ball effectively the way the game went down.

I don't get that vibe at all from talking to the players. Most believe in the system.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129763]I feel the same way.[/quote]

Its getting to where I'm not enjoying watching any NFL games anymore.

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The thing about coaching is that it's more than X's & O's. Any and likely every scheme on offense is "designed to get players open" For as much as people complained about Kyle Shanahan, his offense got players open. McVay and Gruden's scheme "get players open" Unfortunately there is more to the big picture than someone being open on any given play.

To be quite honest, I liked Kyle Shanahan's offense a lot better than what we run now. I thought Kyle's biggest weakness was his actual playcalling within his own scheme. He often tried to get too cute when certain things were working, he'd go away from it for no reason. That could have been due to his youth/inexperience. However the scheme itself was very innovative and creative and was lacking the playmakers to make it really go. Just remember, during his tenure here Garcon was the #1 WR and Fred Davis was the tight end who was great when on his game but inconsistent and often injured. I tend to be one who thinks it was a shame he and his dad were hired to be on the same coaching staff because I think Kyle has a bright future in this league but was sacrificed when his daddy was fired.

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1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.

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[quote=Bucket;1129766]You're a joke if you think the players think that and think we had a chance to run the ball effectively the way the game went down.

I don't get that vibe at all from talking to the players. Most believe in the system.[/quote]

Trent said it, he believes in his running backs more than the staff does. So you disagree Jay gets pass happy? He's come out said it before.

So you think the second half of yesterday was well called game and well executed adjustments coming out the second half?

I don't understand, what says "great job" of getting blown the fuck out by the Jets, Giants, Patriots and now the Panthers?

You don't think Cousins, Jay and McVay should be improving as an offense? Your satisfied?

4 games of being blown-the-fuck-out out of 10 games...Jay Gruden, McVay and Cousins aren't rookies folks.

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I know it's not how teams draft but I honestly wouldn't mind spending all 7 picks on defense this year. Mainly need to be able to get at least either a lock down corner or an explosive edge pass rusher. Ideally both if we could strike perfectly in 1st 2 rounds.

We had no rush at all a large majority of the game. And I think Breeland and Culliver are more like great #2s than good #1s.

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[quote=Bucket;1129772]1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.[/quote]

Its pretty common knowledge that running sweeps against Carolina is really stupid due to there team speed on defense. What run play did we do a lot of yesterday? sweeps. It was a bad game plan accentuated by bad play calling. When you had one successful play and then watch the coaching staff refuse to do it again and go with what even a pop warner coach knows are bad plays, at least attempt to have a good game plan. If it doesnt work, so be it, but dont come out against that defense and try to do everything that they are known to stop better than most.

Even if the run fails, just simply doing it still means you cant tee off on the passing game if you still run it. It also means play action still has a chance. And btw, when a team goes full out on rushing the passer and caring about nothing else, try a screen. They were just teeing off on us and Jay was calling plays that benefits a defense in tee off on the QB mode. Jay is so hit or miss in his play calling. You cant defend that, it was pathetic to watch. Jay called one of his worst games of the year yesterday and got locked into calling plays that were benefiting Carolina more than us.

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Something I'd like to know is why the tackling on the defense is so bad. Our scheme itself doesn't seem bad as we seem to constantly have defenders in the backfield on running plays in position to stop a play for negative yardage, yet it ends up in a 5 yard gain.

To me, if the players are in position to make plays then the coaches are scheme-wise doing something correct. Is it lack of effort? Attitude? Etc etc etc......I have never seen so many missed opportunities game in and game out to see plays made that can make a huge difference.

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[url]https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312[/url]

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

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I wonder if de la Puenta replaces him on Sunday. It's isn't as though these mistakes are made up for by superior blocking, especially as to the run. We really need a serious upgrade at this position for McLovin' to have the smashmouth team in the trenches he wants. The good news is that the rest of the O-line is in decent shape.

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[quote=Skinzman;1129776]Its pretty common knowledge that running sweeps against Carolina is really stupid due to there team speed on defense. What run play did we do a lot of yesterday? sweeps. It was a bad game plan accentuated by bad play calling. When you had one successful play and then watch the coaching staff refuse to do it again and go with what even a pop warner coach knows are bad plays, at least attempt to have a good game plan. If it doesnt work, so be it, but dont come out against that defense and try to do everything that they are known to stop better than most.

Even if the run fails, just simply doing it still means you cant tee off on the passing game if you still run it. It also means play action still has a chance. And btw, when a team goes full out on rushing the passer and caring about nothing else, try a screen. They were just teeing off on us and Jay was calling plays that benefits a defense in tee off on the QB mode. Jay is so hit or miss in his play calling. You cant defend that, it was pathetic to watch. Jay called one of his worst games of the year yesterday and got locked into calling plays that were benefiting Carolina more than us.[/quote]

You also play to your strengths. That's all I say

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[quote=Bucket;1129772]1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.[/quote]In this game there were mitigating circumstances to be sure.

But every game there seems to be some excuse yet the gameplan and playcalling doesn't change (i.e. predictable base personnel run on 1st downs etc..) the only difference is the quality of our opponents. I think there is a word for doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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Look, the reality is that we haven't beaten a quality team this year. The Bucs, Eagles, Rams, and Saints aren't particularly strong (the Bucs are probably the best of that lot, and we needed to stage our biggest comeback in history to win that one). Until we beat a quality team, no one will ever mistake us for one.

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Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

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[quote=over the mountain;1129778][url]https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312[/url]

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.[/quote]

wow... that GIF is pretty bad. Offensive line isn't supposed to be reacting to the D-line getting off the snap. That was just brutal.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129790]Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.[/quote]

If Delani Walker gets cut this offseason, hopefully mcC can get first in line for that dude on a 1-2 year deal.

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I understand the concept of protecting the players but the officials have in my opinion taken over the sport to the point that if something is not done the NFL is going to start a decline. After Every good play before i get excited i have to wait to see if flag is thrown..its almost like i would rather DVR the game and have a app that deletes all the bogus calls just like commercials are skipped just to enjoy the game. When Roberts returned the kickoff for td i didn't even get excited because i just knew a flag had been thrown. the play on culliver was a game changer and if that had stood i really believe we would have been competitive instead of blowout. If this continues I will no longer watch the NFL ..I have been a redskin fan since 1969 and watched every game either tv,recorded same day,live or radio..so i am not some casual fan . The officials are at best bad and they are being told how to call games by the league who's track record is not so good of late..All I can say is if the Redskins had committed all the infractions that the Patriots had we would not have a first round pick the next 5 years..it does seem the league has it in for the Redskins..if they really want to protect the players the rule should be IF a offense player makes a aggressive move with helmet or does not try to avoid helmet to helmet then they there is penalty..either that or all plays can be reviewed by upstairs official that actually understands the rule..that culliver call would have been overruled..you think They make that call in the Super Bowl? the officials should be held to a tighter standard and replays must be used on all plays that impact the game.they say replays are used on all scoring plays right? we scored and where was the review? The redskins gave up after that. the officials took over what could have been a tight game.

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[quote=over the mountain;1129778][url]https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312[/url]

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.[/quote]

The most I got out of the gif is that I miss funny Dannys Redskin videos, havn't seen any posted in a while. But as far as the offensive f-up. Meh just Redskin football.

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I really don't understand why DY is getting next to no snaps.

McCoy, TE was just released and has been a bust all year. Not sure how good he was because he didn't look like he knew which play was being run when he was in the game.

Carrier has made some catches, but has really struggled in the run game, both front side and backside.

We have one of the best FB in the league who can do everything well: block, run, pass protect, catch out of backfield.

DY doesn't care what he is asked to do he busts ass and is good at everything, including special teams. I love to go back and watch his ST plays.

The beat reporters who cover the team have reported throughout the year that Callahan doesn't like to design a run game plan with two backs (i.e. Demarco Murray the lone wolf @ Cowboys).

Well, he should have started designing plays for two backs when Niles Paul and Logan Paulson went down and you start signing guys who were then unemployed.

Jay and McVay and the whole damn lot of them should have started designing more plays with DY.

Put the best players on the field and let them make plays.

He is a baller watching the game from the bench.

It's just stupid.

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Jesus, I hate to say it but 30gut is right.

If fans sitting at home have a really good idea of which play is coming, the Carolina defense does too.

Does anybody know, for sure, who is calling the plays?

It was supposed to be some communistic collaboration at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen or read about what is happening this far in the season.

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^ We just need better players. Build the offensive line.

"I got to the line, and I said to Randy White, 'Our coaches love you. We're going to run it over you again and again.' Randy wasn't very happy, but after three or four times, he didn't say a word."

-Jeff Bostic

"No. Fifty Gut."

-Russ Grimm, interrupting Theismann in the huddle with four minutes to play in the NFC Championship, in response to a Coach Gibbs playcall of "Spread Wide, Sixty Outside"

"Randy - it's coming at you."

-Russ Grimm to Randy White at the line of scrimmage a few seconds later

"Everyone in the huddle was laughing..."

-Don Warren in reference to running '50 Gut' nine times in a row directly at Randy White.

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Yeah it is really puzzling how you can't find a way to get Darrell Young into the game. He was on his way to being one of the game's best fullbacks, in fact he might have been right about there under Shanahan. He was a beast at setting up blocks for Morris and was an underrated weapon in the passing game. Under Gruden, I sometimes forget he is even still on the roster.

IMO, a good coach finds a way to utilize the talent on the team over being 100% dead set in whatever kind of "scheme/offense" they want to implement.