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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1165549]Here's something I'm noticing all over my social media feed lately:

Fox News is slanted, but CNN is fake news.

Sure, a lot of the more left media outlets have brought this on themselves, but now they are totally discredited to the point people are acting like the news isn't real. Is it super slanted? Absolutely, but to pretend it isn't real is a little scary. I've tried the past couple weeks to not pay attention to the government because it was really pissing me off on a daily basis.

I know there are right/left slanted organizations out there, [B]but suddenly to pretend if left-leaning news is fake is a dangerous precedent.[/B] Say it's biased, I'm fine with that, but be educated and understand that most news isn't going to be all the things you want to hear. I think Fox News (and CNN recently) are both ridiculous, but for the most part, they're not "fake", just heavily biased.[/quote]


Now THAT is a point I would absolutely concede. The mere fact that CNN, MSNBC, etc. are omitting facts and printing misleading headlines does not mean that they are "creating facts" out of whole cloth. To imply otherwise is just as misleading as the liberal media alleging it fairly presenting all the facts.

CNN is no more "fake news" than Fox.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1165563]The exclamation points are key. This is the shit that kills me.

I'm like, WHO the fuck are you talking to? You're not running anymore, just be the fucking president.

Awful! :D[/quote]

I think it is just TERRIFIC! that Trump is taking his TERRIFIC! message to the TERRIFIC! people. It is just a TERRIFIC! message for TERRIFIC! Americans. The whole idea is just TERRIFIC! It's a TERRIFIC! idea. The people are TERRIFIC. America is TERRIFIC! Just TERRIFIC!

For the fake news that says people think he should be governing rather than meeting TERRIFIC! Americans. Just SAD!!

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HAHAHAHA! I need to give you a nickname now. Jibberin' Joe. Terrible! :D LOL.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1165563]The exclamation points are key. This is the shit that kills me.

I'm like, WHO the fuck are you talking to? You're not running anymore, just be the fucking president.

Awful! :D[/quote]

He's not on the campaign trail anymore? I could've sworn I heard he was still out holding rallies and doing campaign shit. Is he on the 2020 campaign trail now?

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[quote=Chico23231;1165562]Straight from big hands:

"The so-called angry crowds in home districts of some Republicans are actually, in numerous cases, planned out by liberal activists. Sad!"

love it when we get a sad[/quote]



Lord knows it couldn't be actually upset voters,it must be paid and organized opposition.:doh:

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[quote=mooby;1165597]He's not on the campaign trail anymore? I could've sworn I heard he was still out holding rallies and doing campaign shit. Is he on the 2020 campaign trail now?[/quote]


Must be,he sure as hell isn't running the country.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/white-house-marijuana-donald-trump-pot/index.html]White House: Feds will step up marijuana law enforcement - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

Ok that's it, this piece of shit has gone too far

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[quote=Chico23231;1165699][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/white-house-marijuana-donald-trump-pot/index.html"]White House: Feds will step up marijuana law enforcement - CNNPolitics.com[/URL]

Ok that's it, this piece of shit has gone too far[/quote]

That's where you draw the line? :laughing2

Just go get a crippling disease and you'll be fine. But smoking for enjoyment? That's going too far, man.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165699][url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/white-house-marijuana-donald-trump-pot/index.html]White House: Feds will step up marijuana law enforcement - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

Ok that's it, this piece of shit has gone too far[/quote]

I hate marijuana and it's well known that I judge people who smoke it. It's a low life thing.

That said, which is just my opinion, there shouldn't be laws banning it.

BUT, if there's going to be a law, it should be enforced. Congress needs to pass a law making it legal. Otherwise, I don't think it should be for the White House to decide what it's going to enforce and what it's not. It should be enforcing whatever laws our people's representatives in congress pass.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1165699][url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/white-house-marijuana-donald-trump-pot/index.html]White House: Feds will step up marijuana law enforcement - CNNPolitics.com[/url]



Ok that's it, this piece of shit has gone too far[/QUOTE]



All about those state rights unless it's something they don't like.

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[quote=MTK;1165737]All about those state rights unless it's something they don't like.[/quote]

Right, agree with you there.

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[quote=Schneed10;1165717]I hate marijuana and it's well known that I judge people who smoke it. It's a low life thing.

That said, which is just my opinion, there shouldn't be laws banning it.

BUT, if there's going to be a law, it should be enforced. Congress needs to pass a law making it legal. Otherwise, I don't think it should be for the White House to decide what it's going to enforce and what it's not. It should be enforcing whatever laws our people's representatives in congress pass.[/quote]

Ultimately - this. If you don't like the law, change it. That goes to both sides. Unfortunately, to get the lawmakers I want in, the Libertarians needed to step up this year. And well, them and the Redskins seem to like to just f*ck with me...

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[quote=MTK;1165737]All about those state rights unless it's something they don't like.[/quote]

just to add...the reasoning was utter b*llshit. Spicer said there were connections between prescription drug abuse and weed. NOOOOO....the link of opiate abuse is between Heroin and prescription pill abuse. Its well documented.

Even though there is a medicinal value with pain treatment with ganja, the research has shown this thc/cbd is not the same as you opiate treatment, weed actually was being touted as an[U] alternative[/U] to prescription. People who cant score herb aren't robbing drug stores, falsifying prescription, etc. They are just pissed.

I think we posted some good articles of post football players who have embraced herbs as a safe treatment of pain vs getting hooked on these dangerous pain med.

Im really kinda mind-blown on why the government doesn't reign in these prescription pill companies that are profiting of pill abuse. These companies are billion dollar revenue, more could be done.

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It's always about money

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/oct/22/recreational-marijuana-legalization-big-business[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1165755]It's always about money

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/oct/22/recreational-marijuana-legalization-big-business[/url][/quote]

Like I said, should be legal. People can decide for themselves if they want to appear like they still live in mom's basement, and big pharma should have no say in that.

But it's a law, so it should be enforced. Congress is the body that needs to make this change.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/26/politics/sanders-dnc-election/index.html]Sanders: Not 'impressed' with DNC election process - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

Sanders says it's rigged.

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With Trump at the helm, here that Marijuana could be banned!

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[quote=JPPT1974;1165813]With Trump at the helm, here that Marijuana could be banned![/quote]

Is that a good thing?

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[url=http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/28/media/jon-stewart-stephen-colbert-late-show-media/index.html]Jon Stewart's message for the media: Stop whining about Trump - Feb. 28, 2017[/url]

Stewart nailing it again. Media is garbage these days and the whining is piss poor.

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Big League last night. Bigly.

I heard a lot of "oh shit" this morning and last night from Schumer, Tom Perez, and Bernie(to a degree).

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Gotta admit, not thrilled about the 54B increase in the military budget. Fact is 54B is about the same as UK(55B) and more than any of the other NATO partners spend on their entire defense.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165995]Gotta admit, not thrilled about the 54B increase in the military budget. Fact is 54B is about the same as UK(55B) and more than any of the other NATO partners spend on their entire defense.[/quote]

The move of an economic populist. That additional $54B in spending goes right to American companies and American servicemen. Mostly American companies. Lockheed Martin, etc.

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[quote=Schneed10;1166003]The move of an economic populist. That additional $54B in spending goes right to American companies and American servicemen. Mostly American companies. Lockheed Martin, etc.[/quote]


What do you mean "servicemen"?

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[quote=Chico23231;1165992]Big League last night. Bigly.

I heard a lot of "oh shit" this morning and last night from Schumer, Tom Perez, and Bernie(to a degree).[/quote]



Trump needs to stick to reading someone else's words on a teleprompter...he doesn't look as stupid.Can't believe he went with the grieving widow after the father refused to talk to Trump and still wants an investigation.His speech was grandstanding to the Trumpettes.He needs to remember it's not Obamacare it's The Affordable Care Act, and the republicans don't have a clue on how to fix it.If I remember the republicans having a shit fit when Obama proposed spending on infrastructure to help with jobs in 08 and now it's ok for Trump to add on another trillion,why not it's not his money is it?

Oh and before I forget this was pretty damn good last night too......


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwfN18Pllk[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1166026]Trump needs to stick to reading someone else's words on a teleprompter...he doesn't look as stupid.Can't believe he went with the grieving widow after the father refused to talk to Trump and still wants an investigation.His speech was grandstanding to the Trumpettes.He needs to remember it's not Obamacare it's The Affordable Care Act, and the republicans don't have a clue on how to fix it.If I remember the republicans having a shit fit when Obama proposed spending on infrastructure to help with jobs in 08 and now it's ok for Trump to add on another trillion,why not it's not his money is it?

Oh and before I forget this was pretty damn good last night too......


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwfN18Pllk[/url][/quote]

Big-ly

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1166026]Trump needs to stick to reading someone else's words on a teleprompter...he doesn't look as stupid.Can't believe he went with the grieving widow after the father refused to talk to Trump and still wants an investigation.His speech was grandstanding to the Trumpettes.He needs to remember it's not Obamacare it's The Affordable Care Act, and the republicans don't have a clue on how to fix it.If I remember the republicans having a shit fit when Obama proposed spending on infrastructure to help with jobs in 08 and now it's ok for Trump to add on another trillion,why not it's not his money is it?

Oh and before I forget this was pretty damn good last night too......


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwfN18Pllk[/url][/QUOTE]
Were you dressed in all white as you watched it?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1166030]Were you dressed in all white as you watched it?

Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk[/quote]

:laughing2

very mature when those hags wouldn't like something they would give the thumbs down and laugh. I swore they were pouring wine while whining.

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[quote=Giantone;1166026]Trump needs to stick to reading someone else's words on a teleprompter...he doesn't look as stupid.Can't believe he went with the grieving widow after the father refused to talk to Trump and still wants an investigation.His speech was grandstanding to the Trumpettes.He needs to remember it's not Obamacare it's The Affordable Care Act, and the republicans don't have a clue on how to fix it.If I remember the republicans having a shit fit when Obama proposed spending on infrastructure to help with jobs in 08 and now it's ok for Trump to add on another trillion,why not it's not his money is it?

Oh and before I forget this was pretty damn good last night too......


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwfN18Pllk[/url][/quote]

Except no one calls it the ACA, they call it Obama Care, including most of your media twits, so I've no idea what you're on about.
And I like how you admitted that Obama and the dems sold (forced down our throats) a broken product.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1166034]Except no one calls it the ACA, they call it Obama Care, including most of your media twits, so I've no idea what you're on about.
And I like how you admitted that Obama and the dems sold (forced down our throats) a broken product.[/quote]



No, politicians need to call it what it is ,it's all about being Presidential something the current one has trouble with.When did I say ACA was perfect or the answer to everything ,find the post,I'll wait. Throw it out ,you can't.So yes fix what is broken....who ever said you couldn't?

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[quote=Chico23231;1166033]:laughing2

very mature when those hags wouldn't like something they would give the thumbs down and laugh. I swore they were pouring wine while whining.[/quote]


Lord knows republicans are all about class.



[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Pxf89rDXM[/url]

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I agree, call it the ACA. Just think getting that name in there is just for politics.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1166067]I agree, call it the ACA. Just think getting that name in there is just for politics.[/quote]

Both names are politically motivated. Obamacare carries a negative connotation. The Affordable Care Act carries a positive one. Both get used to create the political tone the speaker wants to spend.

Republicans probably will name their act, the Truly Affordable Care Act (TakeCare for short), while Democrats will tag it TrumpCare. The name that sticks will give a sense of public support/disdain for it.

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Basically I'm just saying call it what it is, lol.

Interesting article from a guy who just retired from where I work: [url=http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/03/01/examining-the-presidents-speech-to-congress/]Examining The President’s Speech To Congress[/url]

He leans left too, but I think he's reasonable...

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Solid speech. Short on details - big on aspirations. Loved the "I'm not here to represent the world. I'm here to represent the US." (or something like that).

Also, liked the focus on economic goals as opposed to social issues. If he gets off twitter, and pulls off a few more of these speeches - throw in a rally or two for the faithful - the Dems are going to have some real problems in the next election (mid-term) where they have 23 incumbents up for reelection versus only nine for the Republicans - plus two independents who caucus with the Dems.

Someone said to me, "If he fixes healthcare so that costs are controlled and basically retains coverage for the at-risk folks, he will get four more years."

I think the speech was the first step down that road. Still, lots of promises, and for me, I am not seeing how the math is going to work. New infrastructure, more defense spending, fixes to healthcare - lots of new money being spent. Just wondering where it's supposed to come from b/c, apparently, [I]everyone[/I] is getting a tax cut.

Speeches like this should be aspirational and outline big picture plans. However, the devil is always in the details.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1166089]Solid speech. Short on details - big on aspirations. Loved the "I'm not here to represent the world. I'm here to represent the US." (or something like that).

Also, liked the focus on economic goals as opposed to social issues. If he gets off twitter, and pulls off a few more of these speeches - throw in a rally or two for the faithful - the Dems are going to have some real problems in the next election (mid-term) where they have 23 incumbents up for reelection versus only nine for the Republicans - plus two independents who caucus with the Dems.

Someone said to me, "If he fixes healthcare so that costs are controlled and basically retains coverage for the at-risk folks, he will get four more years."

I think the speech was the first step down that road. Still, lots of promises, and for me, I am not seeing how the math is going to work. New infrastructure, more defense spending, fixes to healthcare - lots of new money being spent. Just wondering where it's supposed to come from b/c, apparently, [I]everyone[/I] is getting a tax cut.

Speeches like this should be aspirational and outline big picture plans. However, the devil is always in the details.[/quote]

the devil is in the government. just saying...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1166071]Basically I'm just saying call it what it is, lol.

Interesting article from a guy who just retired from where I work: [url=http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2017/03/01/examining-the-presidents-speech-to-congress/]Examining The President’s Speech To Congress[/url]

He leans left too, but I think he's reasonable...[/quote]

It's a good article and I agree with a lot of his points. Healthcare reform was a messy business the first time around and the ACA was a horrible compromise that basically poured gas on the old broken system.

I do think the author's downplaying the role of malpractice is disingenuous. The study he cites analyzes only actual payments for lost claims and legal costs. The study says [I]only[/I] these factors are the "costs" of malpractice and to include premiums would be to "double count" those costs because that is what the premiums are intended to cover. Okay, true enough BUT (and it's a big Kim Kardashian type but) the study uses this rational to entirely ignore insurance company profits saying they are not a "cost" of the doctor's actual malpractice. Sorry, that's just intellectual dishonesty. Insurance companies, the premiums they charge, and the profits they make are an essential element of malpractice costs. If insurers don't make a profit, the indemnity payments don't get made, doctors go bankrupt, and injured patients get no financial recoveries. W/out insurance companies, their profits, and the profits the make, the risk of being a doctor would be to great for anyone to bear.

We had a looong discussion about the whole healthcare reform issue back in the day. At the time, I think I predicted the ACA would be good for about four or five years and then competition would dry up because of the structure's systemic unprofitability and shortly thereafter the exchanges would become the only options. Once that occurred, costs would spiral out of control very quickly. The article cited fails to note that it's not just Kentucky where private carriers are leaving; almost every exchange has fewer private carriers than when first enacted - 38% now have only one or two [In 2016, that number was 14%. Even more stark is the growth of single-insurer states: 2% in 2016; 19% in 2017].

[url=http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/preliminary-data-on-insurer-exits-and-entrants-in-2017-affordable-care-act-marketplaces/]Preliminary Data on Insurer Exits and Entrants in 2017 Affordable Care Act Marketplaces | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation[/url]

The ACA [I]is[/I] imploding. Once it does, simple market dynamics of insurance and the ACA's structure of allowing opt outs with penalties will easily double and treble costs to the government through the exchanges.

The ACA was a Band-Aid to a broken system. It barely addressed the symptoms and most certainly did not address the underlying flaws of our current health-care system. The benefits that it has provided (and there are many) will be short-lived or force draconian economic cuts to other programs.

... but, four years ago, we walked down the road of least resistance. The piper will be coming for his payment shortly.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1166102]It's a good article and I agree with a lot of his points. Healthcare reform was a messy business the first time around and the ACA was a horrible compromise that basically poured gas on the old broken system.

I do think the author's downplaying the role of malpractice is disingenuous. The study he cites analyzes only actual payments for lost claims and legal costs. The study says [I]only[/I] these factors are the "costs" of malpractice and to include premiums would be to "double count" those costs because that is what the premiums are intended to cover. Okay, true enough BUT (and it's a big Kim Kardashian type but) the study uses this rational to entirely ignore insurance company profits saying they are not a "cost" of the doctor's actual malpractice. Sorry, that's just intellectual dishonesty. Insurance companies, the premiums they charge, and the profits they make are an essential element of malpractice costs. If insurers don't make a profit, the indemnity payments don't get made, doctors go bankrupt, and injured patients get no financial recoveries. W/out insurance companies, their profits, and the profits the make, the risk of being a doctor would be to great for anyone to bear.

We had a looong discussion about the whole healthcare reform issue back in the day. At the time, I think I predicted the ACA would be good for about four or five years and then competition would dry up because of the structure's systemic unprofitability and shortly thereafter the exchanges would become the only options. Once that occurred, costs would spiral out of control very quickly. The article cited fails to note that it's not just Kentucky where private carriers are leaving; almost every exchange has fewer private carriers than when first enacted - 38% now have only one or two [In 2016, that number was 14%. Even more stark is the growth of single-insurer states: 2% in 2016; 19% in 2017].

[url=http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/preliminary-data-on-insurer-exits-and-entrants-in-2017-affordable-care-act-marketplaces/]Preliminary Data on Insurer Exits and Entrants in 2017 Affordable Care Act Marketplaces | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation[/url]

The ACA [I]is[/I] imploding. Once it does, simple market dynamics of insurance and the ACA's structure of allowing opt outs with penalties will easily double and treble costs to the government through the exchanges.

The ACA was a Band-Aid to a broken system. It barely addressed the symptoms and most certainly did not address the underlying flaws of our current health-care system. The benefits that it has provided (and there are many) will be short-lived or force draconian economic cuts to other programs.

... but, four years ago, we walked down the road of least resistance. The piper will be coming for his payment shortly.[/quote]

You're right but as I remember and I have been wrong before wasn't it all so mentioned how close the ACA was to what Mitt Romney had done in Massachusetts and had he won we would be in a similar situation,so the republicans can't just blame Obama for the mess.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1166030]Were you dressed in all white as you watched it?

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Nope, Red ,White and Blue.What about you?

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[quote=Giantone;1166106]You're right but as I remember and I have been wrong before wasn't it all so mentioned how close the ACA was to what Mitt Romney had done in Massachusetts and had he won we would be in a similar situation,so the republicans can't just blame Obama for the mess.[/quote]

The dems modeled it on the Massachusets plan that was put in place while Romney was governor. I think he was instrumental in getting passed there.

However, my recollection is that Romney opposed the ACA and that it was not the plan put forward by the R's at the time or even really close to it.

... and I don't JUST blame Obama, I blame everyone who voted for it:

[quote]In December 2009, the U.S. Senate voted 60 to 39 for Obamacare. The Washington Post reported “The [B]Senate bill passed without a single GOP vote.[/B]”

In March 2010, the U.S. House voted 219 to 212 for Obamacare. 34 House Democrats and all of the House Republicans voted against Obamacare. [B]The NO votes were the only bipartisan votes[/B].[/quote]

oh, the Democrats.

[url]http://oregoncatalyst.com/25561-reminder-obamacare-passed-single-republican-vote.htm[/url]

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first rule of being considered politically astute - never blame Obama
second rule of being considered politically astute - always blame Bush
third rule of being considered politically astute - be willing to call a deer a horse if it likes to be a donkey