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[quote=MTK;1167010]The truth in all this probably lies in the middle. It's a fact he has a problem with drinking. Why would it be a surprise if it's again a factor?[/quote]

This all started with Cooley's radio speculation, which he was probabled asked to do.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1167005]Williams was a coach, Gruden is a Coach. They aren't decision makers on who gets what contract. Which is why are in this mess with Cousins.[/quote]

It is my understanding that Bruce Allen has been the decision maker on money/contract matters, even when Scot was in charge of player evaluation/acquisition.

So I don't get your whole argument of having "non-football" people picking players, if you are talking about player contracts.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167014][B]But I think the both sources would have said this. The story would be McC is in a bad spot and needs help[/B].

But that's not the case. CLEARLY it was a power struggle which was allowed again by Snyder and his Organization.

its pride and ego of Bruce/Snyder....the track record is there folks.[/quote]

Are you out of your mind? No team is going to come out and say that one of their employees has a drinking problem, unless that person comes out and say it themself.

I swear, you people need to stop with the conspiracy theory.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167012]That's the great thing about history CRed,...Bruce's decision making at the QB position is GARBAGE.

These have proven to be major mistakes...which could have been adverted if we deferred it. 1 & 2 to the Shannies and 3 to McC.

clearly these have cost the Org[/quote]

QB decisions have been garbage by a lot of good GM's, fact is there are only a few times that the "right" one has been made.

That said, if the choice is solely a BA decision that's not a good thing, but I think JGruden and even DWilliams both have pretty good ideas of what qb's could be here instead of KC.

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A few things about the Post piece..

Seriously what do those coaches see in Ryan Grant? He's had numerous chances to make his mark here and fails to do so. I would have kept Ross because he has speed and plays teams. Grant is slow but blocks on running plays...lol. Obviously Grant is a drafted player by Allen so...

If Scot is drinking then who cares? That's his business and as long as it doesn't hurt his job performance then so be it. Last time I checked he's an adult. Cooley is just a Dan and Bruce ass kisser. Wipe the shit off your nose Chris. And the Redskins failure to respond is a total lack of class.

If the GM of the team wants to talk with a frustrated player and went in the locker room then so be it. He's not giving the team a speech or anything. No issue there.

Not signing Cousins last year and failing to realize that he'd put up numbers again is just a total lack of vision. And I feel it goes back to Allen and Snyder probably still a bit bitter about RG3. Just my opinion of course...

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167018][B]Are you out of your mind? No team is going to come out and say that one of their employees has a drinking problem[/B], unless that person comes out and say it themself.

I swear, you people need to stop with the conspiracy theory.[/quote]

You did hear what Redskins Employee Chris Cooley said on the radio?


Im not saying the Organization would state McC has a drinking problem, Im stating the sources inside the FO would be leaking that to WP reporter. This would have come out for sure. BUT THIS ISNT THE CASE. There is no evidence McC was out of control drinking...that would be the STORY.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167017]It is my understanding that Bruce Allen has been the decision maker on money/contract matters, even when Scot was in charge of player evaluation/acquisition.

So I don't get your whole argument of having "non-football" people picking players, if you are talking about player contracts.[/quote]

We got sold swamp land when they hired McLoughan, and now it's all come out. It's not like Bruce hired McLoughan and said I will still have final say on all personnel matters.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167022]You did hear what Redskins Employee Chris Cooley said on the radio?

Im not saying the Organization would state McC has a drinking problem, Im stating the sources inside the FO would be leaking that to WP reporter. This would have come out for sure. BUT THIS ISNT THE CASE. There is no evidence McC was out of control drinking...that would be the STORY.[/quote]

Chris Cooley is not Scot's boss, I think there's a difference between a radio personality speculating on his radio show about Scot's drinking and Bruce Allen saying this in a press conference.

Also, if the FO leaks anything to the Washington Post, Scot could sue the hell out of the team.

I don't know if he is drinking or not; but I just don't get people asking why the team doesn't come out and say that he has a drinking problem. It's just ridiculous.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1167021]A few things about the Post piece..

Seriously what do those coaches see in Ryan Grant? He's had numerous chances to make his mark here and fails to do so. I would have kept Ross because he has speed and plays teams. Grant is slow but blocks on running plays...lol. Obviously Grant is a drafted player by Allen so...

If Scot is drinking then who cares? That's his business and as long as it doesn't hurt his job performance then so be it. Last time I checked he's an adult. Cooley is just a Dan and Bruce ass kisser. Wipe the shit off your nose Chris. And the Redskins failure to respond is a total lack of class.

If the GM of the team wants to talk with a frustrated player and went in the locker room then so be it. He's not giving the team a speech or anything. No issue there.

Not signing Cousins last year and failing to realize that he'd put up numbers again is just a total lack of vision. And I feel it goes back to Allen and Snyder probably still a bit bitter about RG3. Just my opinion of course...[/quote]

I really don't see Cooley as an ass kisser, but he may not be happy that SM never gave him a shot to get back on the field.

We are really going to argue over which 5th string WR we should have kept? ok...

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167018]Are you out of your mind? No team is going to come out and say that one of their employees has a drinking problem, unless that person comes out and say it themself.

I swear, you people need to stop with the conspiracy theory.[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166986]His drinking lead to his firings before...this time it was absolutely not the reason. BUT as an organization they put someone on the radio to speculate it was.

Your right, we don't need him. We are better off...[/quote]

prove that he wasn't drinking again

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To me as far as McC goes its just another chapter in his story and the chapter always ends the same; him being fired.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1167035]prove that he wasn't drinking again[/quote]
Then:
[IMG]https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/scotmccloughan.png[/IMG]

Now:

[IMG]http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/9695011-nfl-green-bay-packers-at-washington-redskins-850x560.jpeg[/IMG]

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1167035]prove that he wasn't drinking again[/quote]

Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167038]Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks.[B] I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park.[/B] The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.[/quote]

How on god's green earth do you know that?

There is no way any of us know his level of drinking. I bet his wife doesn't even really know.

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[quote=mredskins;1167039]How on god's green earth do you know that?

There is no way any of us know his level of drinking. I bet his wife doesn't even really know.[/quote]

You really not good at reading. good lord.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167040]You really not good at reading. good lord.[/quote]

Those are sources telling you; they really don't know either. Alcoholics are great at hiding their drinking or level of drinking.

Here is a suggestion; where ever McC lands go follow that team; you seem to have a man crush on him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167038]Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.[/quote]

i don't buy it . . . i look at the recent pics of him and he looks like a HUGE alcoholic . . . i've been around lots . . . the pics of him in his redskins gear the last couple of days is the looks of a man trying to dry up fro a 6 month bender . . . IMO, no question he has been drinking and very heavily . . . and if drinking was never and issue . . . why did he get fired twice for it already?

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[quote=Evilgrin;1167005]Williams was a coach, Gruden is a Coach. They aren't decision makers on who gets what contract. Which is why are in this mess with Cousins.[/quote]

McCloughan NEVER had say over contracts. He had say over the draft board and players to target. Schaffer and Allen always handled negotiations.

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[quote=Schneed10;1167050]McCloughan NEVER had say over contracts. He had say over the draft board and players to target. Schaffer and Allen always handled negotiations.[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote=mredskins;1167044]Those are sources telling you; they really don't know either. Alcoholics are great at hiding their drinking or level of drinking.

[B]Here is a suggestion; where ever McC lands go follow that team; you seem to have a man crush on him[/B].[/quote]

:laughing2


Look, Im just telling you what I see from 2 good sources.

Your right, Alcoholics and people with substance abuse issues are good at hiding it. Im not debating that. Im just stating this issue isn't at the heart of this move.

SkinsGuru...I can respect that but just disagree when it comes down to it.

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lets also not forget . . . his wife came up swinging when the media suggested the Redskins sent him home . . . this is all on him . . . the Skins FO is pissed that the only thing he was brought in for, player scouting, was being destroyed by his inability to do his job and be at the combine and so on due to his "family problems" err . . . drinking habit.

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IMO McC was on a prove it deal with the Skins and BA was his babysitter. If in the last two years he was on good behavior; I am sure he still be here. Obviously something went wrong either his drinking, his inability to compromise, etc...but something happened that soured his relationship with the Skins. Again, this isn't the first or second time McC has soured his relationship with an organization.

Guy has great talent but his demons are overriding that talent at this point.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167038]Just go back a read my post from the last couple pages...I never said he wasn't having drinks. I was saying his drinking was absolutely not the issue in Redskins park. The article clearly states from multiple people inside the Organization McC drinking was never an issue. If McC drinking was the issue, the article about McC "downfall" as a skins executive would absolutely be about his struggles, addiction, etc. There also would be evidence of issues or events cited. There isn't any.[/quote]

The problem, of course, is whether the article is authoritative, or speculative. If authoritative, then you would be right. But it isn't. It's reporters culling sources and making an article out of it. We don't, and may never, know the full story, but to assume only wrong on one side, ie "drinking was never an issue", seems to imply a bias in the reporting to me. An alcoholic, just like any other addict will have days and weeks where his/her addiction overrides his/her ability to function at work.

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Awesome thread.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167032]I really don't see Cooley as an ass kisser, but he may not be happy that SM never gave him a shot to get back on the field.

[B]We are really going to argue over which 5th string WR we should have kept? ok...[/quote][/B]

It was brought up in the article so that's why I mentioned it. Things like that probably go on in every organization, but SM was suppose to have control over the roster. If he wanted to move on from Grant and was overruled then that's probably one many reasons he walked out..

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[quote=mredskins;1167037]Then:
[IMG]https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/scotmccloughan.png[/IMG]

Now:

[IMG]http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/9695011-nfl-green-bay-packers-at-washington-redskins-850x560.jpeg[/IMG][/quote]

Looks like he's got a big "heat-on"!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167057]The problem, of course, is whether the article is authoritative, or speculative. If authoritative, then you would be right. But it isn't. It's reporters culling sources and making an article out of it. We don't, and may never, know the full story, but to assume only wrong on one side, ie "drinking was never an issue", seems to imply a bias in the reporting to me. An alcoholic, just like any other addict will have days and weeks where his/her addiction overrides his/her ability to function at work.[/quote]

Journalist who wrote it is a stand up, guy in the know. I didn't read it as speculative at all. Seems well sourced with clear events and examples of a power struggle between Bruce and McC.

The drinking issue is mention and vetted in the article. If there was more of a story there, we should have heard of this from other sources.

But other sources have clearly speculated on dysfunction within the org and NOT a drinking problem.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1167037]Then:

[IMG]https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/scotmccloughan.png[/IMG]



Now:



[IMG]http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/9695011-nfl-green-bay-packers-at-washington-redskins-850x560.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Wow

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McC was not destined to prevail in a contest between him and BA. Allen is the proxy for DS in all things, and in that sense, a necessary evil. We're better off these days not having Dan going on man-dates with players he has a crush on. Yet Dan's desires have to be channeled through someone, and Allen plays that role pretty well; I only half hate him.

So with Jay's stock rising and inevitable style/ego clashes between McC and BA (in part, channeling Snyder), McC clearly is the odd man out.

The best we can hope for is that (1) BA continues to acknowledge that he needs help with talent evaluation, and (2) Cousins gets signed. If those things don't happen, then you can throw a match into the dumpster.

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[quote=MTK;1167068]Wow[/quote]

exactly . . . that says a ton!!

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And I thought Patriots fans were idiots when they tried to raise money to pay Brady's fine...

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/03/09/redskins-fans-plan-march-ashburn/]Redskins Fans Plan ‘March on Ashburn’ to Protest Allen, Redskins « CBS DC[/url]

[IMG]https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Captain-Picard-Facepalm.jpg[/IMG]

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So inspite of Allen saying McLoughan had final say on roster, he never did it. Bruce Allen and whoever enables him is just lying to us all.

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[quote=mredskins;1167037]Then:
[IMG]https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/scotmccloughan.png[/IMG]

Now:

[IMG]http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/9695011-nfl-green-bay-packers-at-washington-redskins-850x560.jpeg[/IMG][/quote]

OMG! These two photos taken only about a year apart from each other. That kind of puts things in perspective a bit.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1167037]Then:

[IMG]https://thebloguin.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/scotmccloughan.png[/IMG]



Now:



[IMG]http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/9695011-nfl-green-bay-packers-at-washington-redskins-850x560.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]



C'mon guys, no one really knows if he was drinking. Could be he went on a Twinkie binge and then overdid it in the steam room[emoji41]

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Does being an alcoholic make your face purple? I get drunk probably too often, never looked like a human plum before.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1167086]Does being an alcoholic make your face purple? I get drunk probably too often, never looked like a human plum before.[/quote]

[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/27/1414413607073_wps_5_P0Aj6a7_png.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1167086]Does being an alcoholic make your face purple? I get drunk probably too often, never looked like a human plum before.[/quote]

it most certainly does . . . [URL="https://www.liverdoctor.com/alcohol-affect-way-look/"]Source:[/URL]

[quote]One of the earliest signs of alcohol abuse is a persistently red face due to enlarged blood vessels. ... It is due to acetaldehyde, the main breakdown product of alcohol. Acetaldehyde is thought to cause flushing by stimulating release of histamine.Sep 9, 2014[/quote]

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Glad we've moved to pictures in judging who is and who isnt an alcoholic. The scientific way

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[quote=Chico23231;1167090]Glad we've moved to pictures in judging who is and who isnt an alcoholic. The scientific way[/quote]

A picture's worth a thousand words isn't it? Lol. I had no clue about that before. Guess I'm doing okay, I think my face is still normal.