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[quote=MTK;1171410]I'm sure there are worse out there in the history of the league than Vinny, plus it's only fair to say he was GM when Snyder was much more involved.[/quote]

Well I can think of one, whomever the person on the Vikings that gave the Cowboys all those draft picks for Herschel Walker.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171411]Well I can think of one, whomever the person on the Vikings that gave the Cowboys all those draft picks for Herschel Walker.[/quote]

Whoever in the Texans decided to give a ton of money to Brock Osweiller, only to turn around the next offseason and give Cleveland a draft pick to get him off their roster.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171411]Well I can think of one, whomever the person on the Vikings that gave the Cowboys all those draft picks for Herschel Walker.[/quote]


Wasn't Ditka the GM of the Saints when he did the trade for Ricky Williams?



[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/64262/saints-ricky-williams-trade-still-one-of-most-infamous-in-draft-history]New Orleans Saints' Ricky Williams trade still one of most infamous - NFC South- ESPN[/url][LEFT][LEFT][/LEFT][/LEFT]

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Cousins will be 29 when this 2017 season starts (dob 8/19/88). He will be at least 1 year older when 2018 season starts.

At what point does Cousins and McCartney have to consider age as a motivating factor to get a LTD done.

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Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that [B]Allen and Cousins’ agent Mike McCartney had their first face-to-face meeting about the contract for the first time in two years [/B]at last month’s league meetings. They have since met a second time, which is part of an “improved, encouraging tone” that has created hope that a deal could get done by the deadline or after the 2017 season if things don’t move quite that quickly.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/07/report-kirk-cousins-contract-talks-picking-up/]Report: Kirk Cousins contract talks picking up | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Article from 6/7/17 .... I guess the good news is that they are finally talking, but oddly how the hell do you go 2 years without having face to face talks w Cousins agent? Im sure Bruce's response will be that they have telephones in Hawaii but man.

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[quote=MTK;1171410]I'm sure there are worse out there in the history of the league than Vinny, plus it's only fair to say he was GM when Snyder was much more involved.[/quote]

Seriously, you're deflecting criticism of Vinny?
The guy was playing fantasy football with our roster.
And poorly.
He was a farging idiot.
He made us a laughing stock and set us back 8+ years.
:banghead:

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Who knows at this point wats going to happen smh

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It gets done on Sunday. 23.5 per. 57m guaranteed

So let's take a poll, does it get done, when and totals?

Now

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[quote=Chico23231;1171418]It gets done on Sunday. 23.5 per. 57m guaranteed

So let's take a poll, does it get done, when and totals?

Now[/quote]

I say it gets done Monday morning, an extension starting in 2018, KC keeping he's tag money, and after that: 5 year, 25/y, around 65 guaranteed.

Looks like crazy money but it'll look like a bargain 2 years from now, after guys like Russel Wilson, Stafford, Palmer, Ryan, Alex Smith and so on get their new contracts.

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[quote=Chico23231;1171418]It gets done on Sunday. 23.5 per. 57m guaranteed

So let's take a poll, does it get done, when and totals?

Now[/quote]

Saturday
5 years
25 per
62.5 guaranteed

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Sunday
6 years 150m total value, 85 injury guaranted, 53.5mil fully guaranteed
(fully guaranteed = FT this year + transition tag amount next year +750K base each year, injury covers 3 full years)

I don't see how Cousins signs anything less.


I also think the deafening silence is very good news. If it was not happening, I believe that Cousins camp would be letting teams know the Skins numbers weren't to his liking.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1171421]Saturday
5 years
25 per
62.5 guaranteed[/quote]

No way will it be under 65 guaranteed.

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Saturday, 5 years, $25M per, $75M guaranteed.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1171415]Seriously, you're deflecting criticism of Vinny?

The guy was playing fantasy football with our roster.

And poorly.

He was a farging idiot.

He made us a laughing stock and set us back 8+ years.

:banghead:[/QUOTE]


No, just stating the fact that Snyder was pulling a lot of those strings back then.

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The reason Cousins comes out and says "if I base my life around money then shame on me" is because he's publicly preparing to save face by not taking every penny his leverage dictates he could.

As long as the 'Skins come with something reasonable, that recognizes the short supply of QBs in the NFL, he'll sign.

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Listening to Andrew Brandt yesterday he thinks a deal will get done and it won't be the crazy expensive deal some are expecting it to be.

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[quote=MTK;1171425]No, just stating the fact that Snyder was pulling a lot of those strings back then.[/quote]
Exactly, it was like Vinny was the pilot but Danny told him when to turn land etc..technical Vinny was flying the plane but Danny was the one in control.

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[quote=MTK;1171427]Listening to Andrew Brandt yesterday he thinks a deal will get done and it won't be the crazy expensive deal some are expecting it to be.[/quote]

Andrew Brandt is very knowledgeable in this area and I trust his insight better than most sports news folks, given his background/experience.

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I think it will take 25M per, I just dont see the Skins offering it. I like the optimism though.

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Rappaport says both Skins FO and Kirk are on board with him playing out the tag. If true, we better draft a QB in '18.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1171433]Rappaport says both Skins FO and Kirk are on board with him playing out the tag. If true, we better draft a QB in '18.[/quote]

He said the same thing in April.
When he said Cousins will be traded before the draft.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1171434]He said the same thing in April.
When he said Cousins will be traded before the draft.[/quote]

True, I forgot about that! Plus it is
NFL.com. I just hope that the deal is somewhat cap friendly or we will be always replacing quality guys.

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He won't sign a long term deal with the Redskins, this year or next year. He's doing just fine on these one year deals, and has more to gain if he plays the season out on the FT, and then play the game again next year. I'm not real sure his current or past comments really matter; his nature is to be positive and not rock the boat. And everyone else outside of Cousins, his Agent, and the FO who are commenting on the situation is just guessing. It's not getting done, and if I were him, I'd be completely fine with that.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1171436]He won't sign a long term deal with the Redskins, this year or next year. He's doing just fine on these one year deals, and has more to gain if he plays the season out on the FT, and then play the game again next year. I'm not real sure his current or past comments really matter; his nature is to be positive and not rock the boat. And everyone else outside of Cousins, his Agent, and the FO who are commenting on the situation is just guessing. It's not getting done, and if I were him, I'd be completely fine with that.[/quote]

The major incentive the Skins can offer is injury guarantees, and I would not be shocked to see a hefty injury guarantee amount in any deal that gets done.

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As crazy as it sounds, it's still too early to guess what will happen. The Skins were never going to show their cards before this weekend. Either the offer will go up this weekend, or all hell breaks loose in fandom on Monday. It's still too early to know.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1171423]No way will it be under 65 guaranteed.[/quote]

My thought was that it would be something creative to make up for the fact that he is guaranteed so much in the first two years if we tag him again. Something like 62.5, but set up in a way where he gets it all in the first two years.

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[quote=MTK;1171425]No, just stating the fact that Snyder was pulling a lot of those strings back then.[/quote]

Back then? He still is.

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i dont even care anymore, If he stays great if not whatever.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1171443]i dont even care anymore, If he stays great if not whatever.[/quote]

That's where I am. And ill just have to watch all games on mute with country music playing so don't have to hear about it every game

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1171443]i dont even care anymore, If he stays great if not whatever.[/quote]

If a deal doesn't get done, our #1 pick next draft better be a QB! Colt isn't a guy to go 16 games, and Sudfeld is a career third stringer at best.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1171446]If a deal doesn't get done, our #1 pick next draft better be a QB! Colt isn't a guy to go 16 games, and Sudfeld is a career third stringer at best.[/quote]

One thing though: we all act as if we're 100% sure KC's gone if they don't sign him before Monday...

But maybe the Skins actually are ready to use the transition tag next year, and match any offer that would be made...

That would be pretty stupid, but they could be considering it a way to be sure they don't overpay him, because the price would be set by other teams...

I say that while being pretty confident a deal will get done, just trying to have a little more moderate view of the situation.


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BUT PLEAAAAASE SIIIIGN HIIIIM !!! AAARRRG !

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1171449]One thing though: we all act as if we're 100% sure KC's gone if they don't sign him before Monday...

But maybe the Skins actually are ready to use the transition tag next year, and match any offer that would be made...

That would be pretty stupid, but they could be considering it a way to be sure they don't overpay him, because the price would be set by other teams...

I say that while being pretty confident a deal will get done, just trying to have a little more moderate view of the situation.

BUT PLEAAAAASE SIIIIGN HIIIIM !!! AAARRRG ![/quote]

The only stupid thing the Redskins might do that is going too far, even for them, might be letting Kirk go without getting anything in return. They have already screwed up this deal seven ways to Sunday. Whatever else they do by the deadline, if anything, won't surprise me. This has been the kind of cluster **** that only a Dan Snyder led NFL franchise could produce.

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I truly believe that if KC had played better down the stretch last year, he'd have a LTD. Yes the Redskins have fucked this up and the blame lies with them IMO. But KC didn't do himself any favors by playing bad against Carolina, and ending the season with a terrible back breaking pick. Oh well, at least we have him for another year. Hopefully he has a monster year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171445]That's where I am. And ill just have to watch all games on mute with [B]country music[/B] playing so don't have to hear about it every game[/quote]

Songs like "Drop Kick Me, Jesus, Through the Goal Posts of Life" would be very appropriate, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1171453]Songs like "Drop Kick Me, Jesus, Through the Goal Posts of Life" would be very appropriate, IMO.[/quote]

O shit, that's so funny.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171452]I truly believe that if KC had played better down the stretch last year, he'd have a LTD. Yes the Redskins have fucked this up and the blame lies with them IMO. [B]But KC didn't do himself any favors by playing bad against Carolina, and ending the season with a terrible back breaking pick.[/B] Oh well, at least we have him for another year. Hopefully he has a monster year.[/quote]

You know who was bad in both those games ? The whole damn offense! Even Trent Williams wasn't good against the Giants!

Defense sucked (as always last year), but they did made some key stops against the Giants, gave the offense a chance. KC had a bad game, but so did 10 guys around him...

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QBs have bad games, so does everyone. To think that a couple of off games are working against him for a long term deal right now is just silly. His overall resume is what matters.

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Cousins W/L is .464, Jay Cutler .489, Stafford .455,Sanchez .526, Derek Anderson .426 ..all the stat stuff don't mean jack..window dressing is all. what matters is winning games and with that in mind he is mid pack in the NFL..

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[quote=MTK;1171456]QBs have bad games, so does everyone. To think that a couple of off games are working against him for a long term deal right now is just silly. His overall resume is what matters.[/quote]

true to a point . . . but one of the check boxes are for how a player does in clutch situations, or big games . . . and cousins has not shown that his is a clutch performer . . . he doesn't rise to the occasion . . . and IMO, that is a big part of the contract, so yes, that definitely weighs on the front office' minds

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1171450]The only stupid thing the Redskins might do that is going too far, even for them, might be letting Kirk go without getting anything in return. They have already screwed up this deal seven ways to Sunday. Whatever else they do by the deadline, if anything, won't surprise me. This has been the kind of cluster **** that only a Dan Snyder led NFL franchise could produce.[/QUOTE]
I don't blame the Skins FO (yet). I think you can justify each step up until the FT deadline this year. They could have put up a market based offer and maybe KC signs. I do believe that window got effed up based on the SM debacle and once the FT got placed they were stuck into this window. The only bad outcome next year is an offered contract that they can't match for some reason.

I do think up until SMs firing KC was playing the wounded victim and milking the option of the FT. In fact his willingness to play on it is a symptom of how much protection qb's get. If KC thought for a minute he would take a career ending hit he would aign the Skins long term offer in a split second.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171452]I truly believe that if KC had played better down the stretch last year, he'd have a LTD. Yes the Redskins have fucked this up and the blame lies with them IMO. But KC didn't do himself any favors by playing bad against Carolina, and ending the season with a terrible back breaking pick. Oh well, at least we have him for another year. Hopefully he has a monster year.[/quote]

Very legit concern imo...

If Cousins had willed the team into the playoffs again[B], the deal would be done[/B]. I think us not making the playoffs supported higher ups attitudes of this "guy is a .500 QB. And why are we paying him 25 per?"

Good point.