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[quote=Giantone;1195455]I see denial to you isn't just a river in Egypt.[/quote]

It's not denial, unless you really think your comment about Putin was somehow clever, and not an idiotic throwaway line.

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/bill-clinton-al-franken-sexual-harassment/index.html[/url]

Bill Clinton: 'Norms have changed' for what you can do to somebody against their will

Man, this whole Bill and Hillary Clinton thing is ending quite poorly

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195434]don't you mean fake news?



The American worker is doing just fine..thanks to DT Bigly[/QUOTE]



Amazing how just hearing someone repeat the economy is great over and over again can make you believe it actually is. Lmao. I can only speak for my neck of the woods but the Jersey Shore business is way down over last year. According to my accountant tax time next year is going to suck. But hey im glad you are richer since the orange dude started tweeting.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195456]It's not denial, unless you really think your comment about Putin was somehow clever, and not an idiotic throwaway line.[/QUOTE]



Dont let the dog n pony show with two fat spoiled kids in Singapore completely wash away your memory C Red. The whole Russia thing isnt a throw away line. It is very real and very really under investigation still.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1195460]Dont let the dog n pony show with two fat spoiled kids in Singapore completely wash away your memory C Red. The whole Russia thing isnt a throw away line. It is very real and very really under investigation still.[/QUOTE]"The whole Russia thing" is the trump haters wet dream punch. Its a desparate last gasp while trump continues to do what his base wants him to do.

I think its hilarious to watch trump hating stations continually beat a tired drum while trump continues to do the work that he was sent to do.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195461]"The whole Russia thing" is the trump haters wet dream punch. Its a desparate last gasp while trump continues to do what his base wants him to do.

I think its hilarious to watch trump hating stations continually beat a tired drum while trump continues to do the work that he was sent to do.[/QUOTE]



So the Russians did not interfere? And all these people who have been indicted from Trumps campaign that have very real ties to these Russian oligarchs are a dream? Oh. Ok. Just a big ole Russian coinkidink. Gotcha. I think the denial is hilarious.
Also what exactly does his base want him to do? Flex his muscle at big bad Canada while refusing to punish Russia for interfering with our election? LOL. Theres that R word again. Ronald Reagan is turning over in his grave man.

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Russia interfered. The US interferes. Every nation interferes. (Ronald Reagan interfered in french elections)

I havent seen anything that says or implies that trump colluded with them. And to date i dont believe he did.

Most of the criminal charges could have and should have been brought outside of the special prosecutors initial tasking. And i am glad that they are being prosecuted, but so far none of the charges or released information points to collusion from the trump campaign.

As for canada and the G7, we are not worried about them launching nukes at us but we still want to have the right to create trade deals that are favorable to our country.

You should study Reagan more punch. He would never have accepted the tarriffs canada and europe already impose on our products. [URL]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=33502[/URL] In touting his free trade agreement he praised canada for removing ALL tarriffs.

[QUOTE]*It will remove all Canadian tariffs, secure improved access to Canada's market for our manufacturing, agriculture, high technology and financial sectors, and improve our security*[/QUOTE]

Reagan put pershing missiles in germany under huge public protest rallies.
Reagan understood peace through strength amd trust but verify, both in dealing with allies and enemies.

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Ahhhhh yes. Rule number one to be a Trumper: TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT. Haha. And you Haven’t seen anything that says collusion huh? Oh boy. More like everything you hear and see is screaming collusion right in your face but Trump has repeated the words “no collusion” so many times that I believe him. The ole jedi mind trick is alive and well. Time will tell C Red. Time will tell.

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[quote=punch it in;1195460]Dont let the dog n pony show with two fat spoiled kids in Singapore completely wash away your memory C Red. The whole Russia thing isnt a throw away line. It is very real and very really under investigation still.[/quote]

Don’t let the whole denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula what?


It’s funny that when Putin was kickin Obama’s ass all over the world...nobody covered it and it wasn’t a problem. I find it hilarious that flakes refuse to call out the obama adminstration failure to protect the election process. It was Putin’s final fuck you after owning obama on the world stage.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195468]Don’t let the whole denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula what?





It’s funny that when Putin was kickin Obama’s ass all over the world...nobody covered it and it wasn’t a problem. I find it hilarious that flakes refuse to call out the obama adminstration failure to protect the election process. It was Putin’s final fuck you after owning obama on the world stage.[/QUOTE]



Oh boy Chico. Im going to let you in on a little secret: There has been absolutely no denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. None. Jung Un took a photo op to Singapore where he finally got what he wanted : recognition on a world stage - something to put on stamps and murals in North Korea for years to come - and u r talking denuclearization? Wow. Ok Hannity. Get a grip. Also the fact that
1) you need to call people flakes
and
2) you believe Obama is the one who is soft on Putin
Tells me that your Fox news watching, John Wayne wanna be, words over actions ass is alive and well this morning.
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This weak ass motherfucker calls Jong un “very talented “ in front of the entire world, but Obama is the pushover right? HAHAHAHA. It is mind numbing. Just mind numbing.
We have a trade surplus with Canada, but Trump declares war on Trudeau. Than stands up and praises Jong un a murderous dictator and u guys applaud him. Fucking great shit. Amazing. You guys need to just move to a real dictatorship. You would be so much happier.

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As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.

1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before

2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear?

3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance.

4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was [B]never[/B] on the table and remains.

So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now.

Allright, let the fake news watch begin!

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[quote=Chico23231;1195477]As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.

1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before

2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear?

3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance.

4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was [B]never[/B] on the table and remains.

So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now.

Allright, let the fake news watch begin![/quote]

The key point is Chico, nobody cares what is said. We only care what is actually done.

If they sign an agreement, that's a tangible action that's worth applauding. If they actually take steps to fulfill the agreement, that's an even better tangible step worth applauding.

But I'm not going to applaud Trump and Kim standing up there and saying we intend to denuclearize. The North Koreans have said they'd capitulate before - going back in history. They haven't actually done it.

If it actually happens then Trump will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, that's how significant an achievement it will be. But I'm not interested in words. Only actions and achievements.

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President Trump, as part of the historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, reversed longstanding U.S. policy by calling for an end to military drills on the Korean Peninsula and saying he wants to bring U.S. troops home from the region – the president’s latest convention-defying move on the international stage in less than a week.

chico, thats from fox. trump wants to remove our troops. and as far as never been done, president clinton came the closest. having a solid stepping stone towards peace. then W happened

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I would be very, very surprised if we actually move our troops away from South Korea.

Doesn't make strategic sense even from the standpoint of remaining in tactically advantageous positions to deal with Putin should the need ever arise.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195477]As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.

1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before

2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear?

3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance.

4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was [B]never[/B] on the table and remains.

So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now.

Allright, let the fake news watch begin![/quote]

Watching Chris Cuomo talk to Dennis Rodman while Rodman took shots at Pres. Obama and praised Pres. Trump (while wearing a MAGA hat) was pretty fun.

Until we really have substantial verification processes in place, I think everyone should have a healthy skepticism about NK's sincerity. The Reagan refrain of Trust but Verify has never been more important, it also is the issue with the Iran deal, when the country being inspected can say things are off limits, and you have to give them significant lead time notice, that isn't a real verification process. IF a deal that includes denuclearization does get done, it will be judged by that same standard.

There is no unbiased media anymore, and Trump's presidency has highlighted that.

I don't fault Punch for thinking that Mueller's investigation is going to produce some shocking outcome that will force Trump out, any more than I fault a Fox news viewer for believing that it was all a FBI conspiracy. You can't get balanced news anymore, even if you watch multiple outlets. You simply get the proTrump/antiTrump spin trumped up to the Nth degree.


Some things I consider reality with as little spin as possible:
NK tensions have eased considerably
Stock market numbers are in positive territory
Our allies feelings are hurt, but not to the point of abandoning any of our alliances
The economy is generally good
Oil prices are rising due to mideast and global pressures
Israel/Iran tensions are a serious concern
US school shootings have not been dealt with in any effective way
Putin - Trump secretly got married in Vegas, but hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

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So trump denounce's our allies and turns buddy buddy with a dictator who has murdered his own family and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet yet the trump cult wants people to stand up for the tangerine moron in the WH, nope not doing it.

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[quote=Giantone;1195496]So trump denounce's our allies and turns buddy buddy with a dictator who has murdered his own family and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet yet the trump cult wants people to stand up for the tangerine moron in the WH, nope not doing it.[/quote]

The US has often been buddy buddy with dictators, including Stalin, when it suited us. [url=http://allthatsinteresting.com/us-dictator-alliances]5 Brutal Dictators The U.S. Helped Slaughter Hundreds Of Thousands[/url]

I'm not defending or decrying it. Just saying dictators fall because they are dictators, not because of US moral outrage.

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I especially like the video montage i just saw (of very real fox news hosts and gop members - not fake ones made by the liberal news deep state machine lol) absolutely slamming in the most smug way Obama for even mentioning he would like to sit down with NK and “talk” , than fast forward a few years - and voila these same exact people praising Trump for his photo op with NK. Shocker.
The only difference is that “pussy” Obama would not have kissed Jung Un’s ass and given concessions about ending American military exercise with SK for absolutely nothing. Talk about a weak and bad deal. Absolutely amazing how people think this dude is some hardball tough guy. Only people he talks tough to is our allies. While he lets Putin off the hook and makes Jung Un look like Ghandi. GTFOH.

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Punch, I agree with your point to a degree. I think though it goes back to who trusted who. In my opinion, Pres Obama would sell out the US capitalistic beliefs in a heartbeat, and when he made treaties, he was looking for us to move towards more socialism, and his deals often if not always favored our opponents. In my opinion, Trump is looking for more capitalistic, US friendly or US win deals.

If the same exact events happened under Pres Obama, I would have felt far less secure and far more like he was selling us out. I don't believe Pompeo, or Bolton are going to be taken by surprise and I believe they are going to help ensure that any treaties that may be signed are truly verifiable.

I would also add that the exact same in reverse could be said about CNN/MSNBC hosts, IF Pres Obama had made these exact same actions, CNN and MSNBC would have been slobbering over him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195497]The US has often been buddy buddy with dictators, including Stalin, when it suited us. [url=http://allthatsinteresting.com/us-dictator-alliances]5 Brutal Dictators The U.S. Helped Slaughter Hundreds Of Thousands[/url]

I'm not defending or decrying it. Just saying dictators fall because they are dictators, not because of US moral outrage.[/quote]

Well we haven't had a dictator here in the WH before so this is still new to us.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195486]


Some things I consider reality with as little spin as possible:
1)NK tensions have eased considerably
2)Stock market numbers are in positive territory
3)Our allies feelings are hurt, but not to the point of abandoning any of our alliances
4)The economy is generally good
5)Oil prices are rising due to mideast and global pressures
6)Israel/Iran tensions are a serious concern
7)US school shootings have not been dealt with in any effective way
8)Putin - Trump secretly got married in Vegas, but hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas[/quote]

1) agreed but only becuase he blew up his nuclear weapons site ,it collapsed

2) Yes , but they were for Obama all so.

3)...don't be sure

4) as it was under Obama all so

5) No, due to your number # 6 .......and trump pulling out of the Iranian deal.
6)Yes, I agree and Iran isn't NK,it won't be as easy.

7) I am in 100% agreement with you.

8) Now you know why Melaina has been out of sight.

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[quote=punch it in;1195500]I especially like the video montage i just saw (of very real fox news hosts and gop members - not fake ones made by the liberal news deep state machine lol) absolutely slamming in the most smug way Obama for even mentioning he would like to sit down with NK and “talk” , than fast forward a few years - and voila these same exact people praising Trump for his photo op with NK. Shocker.
The only difference is that “pussy” Obama would not have kissed Jung Un’s ass and given concessions about ending American military exercise with SK for absolutely nothing. Talk about a weak and bad deal. Absolutely amazing how people think this dude is some hardball tough guy. Only people he talks tough to is our allies. While he lets Putin off the hook and makes Jung Un look like Ghandi. GTFOH.[/quote]

One other thing though, NK did dismantle a test site, and then today announced dismantling a rocket facility (i believe, but waiting to see confirmation) Yes those are both steps that can be reversed, but so can holding training excersises. And I promise one thing, while we will know if they try to rebuild, our armed forces and SK's are more than ready even with one training cycle cancelled. I would call these steps on both sides decent good faith efforts, and hopefully they lead to a verifiable, lasting peace.

I did read the texts of the Panmounjung accord from earlier this year and the agreement text from yesterday. There is still wiggle room, and I imagine if NK decides to get out of the deal, our next practices will be pretty damn intense.

What hasn't been addressed at all in any of the texts is how NK/SK become one Korea again, even it is stated as a goal throughout.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195506]One other thing though, NK did dismantle a test site, and then today announced dismantling a rocket facility (i believe, but waiting to see confirmation) Yes those are both steps that can be reversed, but so can holding training excersises. And I promise one thing, while we will know if they try to rebuild, our armed forces and SK's are more than ready even with one training cycle cancelled. I would call these steps on both sides decent good faith efforts, and hopefully they lead to a verifiable, lasting peace.



I did read the texts of the Panmounjung accord from earlier this year and the agreement text from yesterday. There is still wiggle room, and I imagine if NK decides to get out of the deal, our next practices will be pretty damn intense.



What hasn't been addressed at all in any of the texts is how NK/SK become one Korea again, even it is stated as a goal throughout.[/QUOTE]


If you further read up on the dismantling of the “test” site. It is one of hundreds AND more importantly it had served its purpose and was no longer necessary. NK put their propaganda spin on it being some olive branch of peace and Fox news ran with it because they want Trump to look like a peace maker. Lol. NK and SK will never be one Korea as long as a murderous dictatorship is running NK and for Trump to say that he is impressed with Jung Un for being able to take over and run it in a “tough” way does nothing towards a goal of world peace. It hinders it.

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Can you imagine if Roosevelt had flattered Hitler, or how about if Obama had called Bin Laden a “smart cookie” or said he respected him? I bet you if you polled the Trumpers today that they would give higher marks to Jung Un than Obama. What is going on with our Presidency is absolute lunacy. No more. No less. For some reason this guy who has spent his life conning Americans (ill spare you the list of examples), is now getting a pass on anything and everything he does and says simply because his base does not like the black dude or the woman who he ran against. This is not a personal remark directed at you or chico or anyone on this board but at the majority of his base.

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We will see. They haven't said which engine test site is being dismantled, and how it will be verified.

So far, I think it is positive steps, but only if they go down the right path. If they don't we haven't committed to any type of irreversible move so we will be right back at Defcon 1

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[quote=punch it in;1195508]Can you imagine if Roosevelt had flattered Hitler, or how about if Obama had called Bin Laden a “smart cookie” or said he respected him? I bet you if you polled the Trumpers today that they would give higher marks to Jung Un than Obama. What is going on with our Presidency is absolute lunacy. No more. No less. For some reason this guy who has spent his life conning Americans (ill spare you the list of examples), is now getting a pass on anything and everything he does and says simply because his base does not like the black dude or the woman who he ran against. This is not a personal remark directed at you or chico or anyone on this board but at the majority of his base.[/quote]

They use to call Reagan the teflon presidency, but fact is he did a lot of good things.

Trump is no Reagan, but he is the most anti-socialism/ pro capitalistic Realpolitik president since Reagan. And that is a refreshing change to a lot of Trump's base that doesn't think global, socialistic world views should be the people running the USA. They can run the rest of the world into a socialistic dumpster fire, just let us be Muricans.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195509]We will see. They haven't said which engine test site is being dismantled, and how it will be verified.



So far, I think it is positive steps, but only if they go down the right path. If they don't we haven't committed to any type of irreversible move so we will be right back at Defcon 1[/QUOTE]



Right. Though You still haven’t discussed my initial point which was how come the same people championing Trumps small step, scoffed and ridiculed Obama for merely mentioning face to face diplomacy with Jung Un?

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Actually, I did. I said I kind of agree with your point. But it works in the reverse as well. If President Obama did this same type of action MSNBC and CNN and their ilk would be singing his Praises for striving to open the hermit Kingdom up. And fox would I agree be demonizing President Obama's actions.[QUOTE=punch it in;1195511]Right. Though You still haven’t discussed my initial point which was how come the same people championing Trumps small step, scoffed and ridiculed Obama for merely mentioning face to face diplomacy with Jung Un?[/QUOTE]It really goes to the two points of views that exist it's why Trump is such a polarizer. One set of views holds socialism and socialistic economic principles are more important than capitalistic Market principles. One set of views holds that you need to build community by being a community organizer while the other viewpoint holds that you offer tasty carrots and strong sticks. I think that President Trump offered strong sticks and tasty carrots, hopefully the hermit Kingdom chooses to go down the path of tasty carrots. we will only see which one as this progresses. I do believe this is a good first step on both sides.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195512]Actually, I did. I said I kind of agree with your point. But it works in the reverse as well. If President Obama did this same type of action MSNBC and CNN and their ilk would be singing his Praises for striving to open the hermit Kingdom up. And fox would I agree be demonizing President Obama's actions.It really goes to the two points of views that exist it's why Trump is such a polarizer. One set of views holds socialism and socialistic economic principles are more important than capitalistic Market principles. One set of views holds that you need to build community by being a community organizer while the other viewpoint holds that you offer tasty carrots and strong sticks. I think that President Trump offered strong sticks and tasty carrots, hopefully the hermit Kingdom chooses to go down the path of tasty carrots. we will only see which one as this progresses. I do believe this is a good first step on both sides.[/QUOTE]



My bad. I see that now. The first response i saw from you was actually your second response. Pitfall of using my iphone i guess. 🧐

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He also called our military drills “provocative “. Wow. Just wow. Got a murderous dictator launching missiles and building nukes and our military presence is provocative? Holy crap if Obama had said that the GOP would be marching towards the oval office with torches to hang the traitor.
That is about as weak and spineless as it gets. You have the chance to posture while the world is watching and you undermine your own countries military operations. Unreal.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1195514]He also called our military drills “provocative “. Wow. Just wow. Got a murderous dictator launching missiles and building nukes and our military presence is provocative? Holy crap if Obama had said that the GOP would be marching towards the oval office with torches to hang the traitor.
That is about as weak and spineless as it gets. You have the chance to posture while the world is watching and you undermine your own countries military operations. Unreal.[/QUOTE]But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195516]But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?[/QUOTE]



Are you asking the biggest liberal in the world if I like the idea of bringing troops home, shutting the door on our military options and it resulting in Jung Un coming to his senses and we all go on living happily ever after. Um....yeah that sounds good. Lol.
Problem is Jung Un is a murderous dictator and Trump told the world he “loves his people “. He also followed up on his military comments by saying “practice is expensive “ - so if we do stop those military options- we better hope to God that this crazy mother fucker (jung un, not Trump - lol) better be so softened up by Trumps soft ass words that he indeed changes his tune and suddenly becomes some sort of Santa Clause. But even the worlds biggest liberal isn’t fooled by Jung Un taking a selfie and shaking a hand. The guy is probably lining up a firing squad right now and printing stamps of his photo op he just had. NO I DO NOT TRUST JUNG UN. Trump just blew sunshine up some monsters ass for the world to see. We looked extremely week, and him calling him names on Twitter in a couple months when Jung Un doesn’t even entertain denuclearization isn’t good enough.
Sometimes there just is no solution. We have been holding a presence at the DMZ forever. He fires rockets into the ocean. The world goes on. Now Trump has tried insulting him for the world to see. Trump has tried to kiss his ass for the world to see. But now what happens the next time he tests a rocket? Than you just might wish Trump had left well enough alone. Because there are a whole lot of innocent people that live within striking distance of that hornets nest.

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For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
[url]https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-negotiations-with-north-korea[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1195481]The key point is Chico, nobody cares what is said. We only care what is actually done.

If it actually happens then Trump will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, that's how significant an achievement it will be. But I'm not interested in words. Only actions and achievements.[/quote]

No,not really. A dictator who has been playing with nuclear weapons and has been threatening Japan ,S.Korea and the US has screwed up his nuclear program so bad the test site collapsed their program is done, and trump wants to but this man on the World stage as a leader when everyone else knows he is crazy and all the while trump is lying to our allies,nope ,sorry don't see it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195516]But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?[/quote]

I understand your question but this man murdered his own family members to stay in power and has killed his own people ,sorry no what if's for me.

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[quote=punch it in;1195519]For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
[url]https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-negotiations-with-north-korea[/url][/quote]

LOL, this will go over well!


+1

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I agree with Schneed. I hate Trump as much as Punch/G1 but if he's effective in getting NK to dismantle their nukes program we gotta give him credit.

With that being said, talk is cheap. Not just cheap, it's 3rd world country cheap with our Prez. He can hate you one day, but if you kiss his ass the next he'll say your one of the greatest people he's ever known. So yeah, we need to see actions, not just lip service. Especially with a despised dictator on the other end, who's as unstable as Trump is.

TL;DR: Peace is very achievable here, but there are 2 guys making the deal known for flip-flopping. And there's always the possibility KJU tries to present NK as a country who's giving up his nukes but keeps a secret stash somewhere.

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[QUOTE=punch it in;1195519]For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
[url]https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-negotiations-with-north-korea[/url][/QUOTE]As i said, I am sure a similar montage of msnbc hosts raving about Pres Obama could be made.

The "news" channels no longer report just the facts they all shade it with heavy positional bias.

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[quote=punch it in;1195519]For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
[url]https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-negotiations-with-north-korea[/url][/quote]

LOL, reminds me of this one.............



[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&v=Xze1DtXUQeU[/url]