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[quote=mredskins;1177586]Bruce is just a puppet; someone for Dan to hide behind because he is so unpopular.

But like I said in a previous post everything is gamble especially with personal.

Oh well, we win next week we are 4 and 3; you can build off that.[/quote]

Yep. Pryor was a 50/50 gamble, obviously it doesn't look good but there's still time to turn it around. They knew what they were getting. Next year Kirk needs at least 1 reliable receiver to take pressure off Doctson and Crowder.

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Positives:

1. This D is not the same without Josh Norman. Good news, he should be back in a week or so and ready for the playoff push.

2. Zach Brown is a stud.

TACKLES TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
Zach Brown 13 10 1.5 4.5 0 2 0
^^ Pay the man.

3. Doctson is playing back to back weeks.

4. Nick Rose didnt embarrass us or himself.

5. With Cousins ability to process information and make quick reads, maybe we can gameplan around a depleted O line. I assume Trent will sit for a few weeks, imagine we lose 1 or 2 more guys at the rate things are going.

6. Breeland didnt aggravate his knee and looked good last night.

7. Kerrigan is playing well.

8. Galette sighting. Yes he was going up against a backup LT but he had about 5 tackles and a half sack.

9. Preston Smith isnt lining up offsides anymore.

10. Offense moved the ball, not totally relying on screens. bad part is, I think we could have benefited from more screens against a depleted eagles LB corps.

11. Yes, swearinger was beat but it was 1 on 1 with receivers running right at him. hard assignment imo.

12.

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Very disappointing loss. I feel like this team could easily be 5-1 (or 1-5 for that matter)...

Last night any chances at the division took a significant hit. Philly essentially has a three game lead on us now.

The next four games are critical - against NFC teams that currently have equal or better records. In my opinion, the Skins need to win at least six of the remaining eight games against the NFC to have a shot at the wild card.

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Is it me, or does it seem like the D-line gets a push and harasses QBs early in games, and then the pressure just mostly disappears?

Granted this D is not the same without Jonathan Allen and Josh Norman, but this seemed to be happening even with them on the field...maybe it's my imagination....

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Please do me a favor and get your shit together and beat the cowturds this week.

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[quote=over the mountain;1177595]Positives:

1. This D is not the same without Josh Norman. Good news, he should be back in a week or so and ready for the playoff push.
[B]
2. Zach Brown is a stud.[/B]

TACKLES TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
Zach Brown 13 10 1.5 4.5 0 2 0
^^ Pay the man.

3. Doctson is playing back to back weeks.

4. Nick Rose didnt embarrass us or himself.

5. With Cousins ability to process information and make quick reads, maybe we can gameplan around a depleted O line. I assume Trent will sit for a few weeks, imagine we lose 1 or 2 more guys at the rate things are going.

6. Breeland didnt aggravate his knee and looked good last night.

7. Kerrigan is playing well.

8. Galette sighting. Yes he was going up against a backup LT but he had about 5 tackles and a half sack.

9. Preston Smith isnt lining up offsides anymore.

10. Offense moved the ball, not totally relying on screens. bad part is, I think we could have benefited from more screens against a depleted eagles LB corps.

11. Yes, swearinger was beat but it was 1 on 1 with receivers running right at him. hard assignment imo.

12.[/quote]

Against the run he is. Not against the pass and it's costing us pretty big. The 3rd Eagles' TD is on one of his brain farts again.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1177562]We never will as long as Bruce and Danny are here. Get use to it.[/quote]

You are 100% correct. Winning starts at the top and winning teams aren't run by the yo-yos running the Skins.

Sometimes I wonder if the way the FO handled the WR situation in the offseason was in part to minimize KC's weapons so they could justify letting him go. With Snyder in charge I think anything is possible.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1177599]Against the run he is. Not against the pass and it's costing us pretty big. The 3rd Eagles' TD is on one of his brain farts again.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017102300/2017/REG7/Redskins@Eagles?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017102300#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000866306&tab=recap]Watch Washington Redskins vs. Philadelphia Eagles [10/23/2017] - NFL.com[/url]

Well ... yeah it appears Zach had man on the RB and is looking to eager to pass rush before realizing his assignment was leaking out. Still great closing speed, made Wentz have to throw a perfect ball on a tough catch.

Dangit, I just want to find the good in this world!!!

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1177603][url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017102300/2017/REG7/Redskins@Eagles?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017102300#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000866306&tab=recap]Watch Washington Redskins vs. Philadelphia Eagles [10/23/2017] - NFL.com[/url]

Well ... yeah it appears Zach had man on the RB and is looking to eager to pass rush before realizing his assignment was leaking out. Still great closing speed, made Wentz have to throw a perfect ball on a tough catch.

Dangit, I just want to find the good in this world!!![/QUOTE]Yeah this is what makes it so frustrating, with his speed and time reaction he could be a really good covering LB !!!

And he still is a great addition to this D. But he makes me go arrraggggagggrrrrr


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[url]https://nesn.com/2017/10/redskins-fan-kos-eagles-fan-with-one-punch-after-mnf-game/[/url]

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I also think a health Breeland and Norman on the field makes a difference.

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i remain in the thought that a better pass rush -- ie: more creative freaking blitzing or pressuring... have the redskins ran one fucking stunt on the line th epast like, 10 years????? I swear its the most basic pass rush in the league and it kills me to watch in week in and week out.... better pas rush = better secondary play = more wins.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1177611]i remain in the thought that a better pass rush -- ie: more creative freaking blitzing or pressuring... have the redskins ran one fucking stunt on the line th epast like, 10 years????? I swear its the most basic pass rush in the league and it kills me to watch in week in and week out.... better pas rush = better secondary play = more wins.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I do think Manusky is getting a little more creative though. Ie: Kerrigan lined up inside on at least one play. And got home IIRC.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1177612]Agreed. I do think Manusky is getting a little more creative though. Ie: Kerrigan lined up inside on at least one play. And got home IIRC.

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i did like that... but i dont think its enough also lol.

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Eagles took their lumps too. Its a long season folks, we get a little healthier and win Sunday we are right back in this.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21139285/jason-peters-jordan-hicks-philadelphia-eagles-season]Jason Peters, Jordan Hicks of Philadelphia Eagles out for season[/url]

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If we don’t run the ball we don’t win...we need to find away to get rob going.

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[quote=mredskins;1177616]Eagles took their lumps too. Its a long season folks, we get a little healthier and win Sunday we are right back in this.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21139285/jason-peters-jordan-hicks-philadelphia-eagles-season]Jason Peters, Jordan Hicks of Philadelphia Eagles out for season[/url][/quote]

Agreed. But we are very beat up and it is happening in the worst stretch of the season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1177645]Agreed. But we are very beat up and it is happening in the worst stretch of the season.[/quote]

It seems like the last handful of seasons the Redskins have suffered way more missed games due to injury than the average team in the league. I wonder if it is more than just plain old bad luck. Does the training staff need improvement? Are the players getting too beat up in practice? Could it be a conditioning issue? Are certain players logging too many snaps?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1177650]It seems like the last handful of seasons the Redskins have suffered way more missed games due to injury than the average team in the league. I wonder if it is more than just plain old bad luck. Does the training staff need improvement? Are the players getting too beat up in practice? Could it be a conditioning issue? Are certain players logging too many snaps?[/quote]

Yes, I believe that what you suggest can be done because the Washington Nationals completely revamped their medical and training programs in 2016 and they have had significantly less playing time lost due to injuries since then. Here are some of the things they've done taken from a 2016 Washington Post article:

[I]In mid-November, Rizzo led a news conference in which he unveiled a new organization-wide medical plan he suggested could be “the new Moneyball” — a medical system that would take a more proactive approach to keeping players on the field.

“Thirteen-hundred disabled list days from core players. How much does that cost us?” Rizzo asked then, in the wake of a disappointing season in which the expected starting lineup materialized twice. “This is really a money-saving operation.”

The Nationals created what they call a “medical advisory board” in partnership with Inova Health System that included Executive Director of Medical Services Harvey Sharman and Doctors Robin West and Keith Pyne. It relies on hands-on expertise and analytics to identify trouble spots before they become injuries and monitor the total health of Nationals players.

In spring training, the team’s personnel evaluated each player’s mobility — biomechanical baselines, basically. The idea is that as players fatigue, their biomechanics show the strain. When players, or more accurately their muscles, fatigue, they are at greater risk for injury. Those baselines provide a means of comparison, helpful in determining whether a player is fatiguing in a way that might put him at risk.

Tracking biomechanics is not unique to the Nationals. But the Nationals’ commitment to data has continued into the regular season. Corrective exercise specialist Joe Cancellieri — one of the new hires — paces the clubhouse each day with a tablet, surveying players about how they feel, how much they slept and other similar details.

The Nationals also tested players for allergies and other nutritional intolerances. Some players were asked to alter their diets in the hopes that little tweaks could improve their health.

The effort is led by Sharman, the new executive director of medical services, who formerly worked for Leeds United, the English professional soccer club.

“He’s one of the best guys I’ve ever been around,” outfielder Bryce Harper said. “. . . Really finding the problem and making sure to get it going and get everything going around it. Everybody goes in there, and these guys really take care of us. It’s the best thing this organization has done in a long time for the players.”

Rizzo said the Nationals tried to bring in people like Sharman — who had never dealt in baseball before — who have a variety of backgrounds. Players say they sense a commitment to their well-being that transcends the often precarious balance of trust between trainers, players, and their managers.

During that 2015 season, 11 Nationals spent a total of 1,024 days on the disabled list that cost them $32 million, according to SpotTrac, a website that tracks these things. Surprisingly, neither number led the majors, though both ranked in the top 10.

This season, as of about the two-thirds mark, 10 Nationals players spent a total of 367 days on the disabled list at a cost of $6.8 million. Perhaps because of the changes — or perhaps, as Zimmerman pointed out, the sample size may be too small to tell — those 11 injured Nationals averaged 93 days each on the disabled list. This season, those 10 injured Nationals have averaged just fewer than 37.

“I know the care is light years ahead of where it was,” Werth said. “. . . There’s going to be nicks, bumps, there’s going to be injuries. All in all, I think we’ve done a pretty good job of putting players in a position to succeed.”
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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1177645]Agreed. But we are very beat up and it is happening in the worst stretch of the season.[/QUOTE]I think/ hope that our injuries have been the main contributor to our poor performances defensively the past 2 weeks. It's never a good time, and losing to the eagles means we likely have fallen out of the race to win the division, but we are definitely still in the thick of it for wild card. Even as hurt as we are, I think we will have a chance to win most games, (Dallas will be tough this week) but if we can stay in the Wild Card, and get healthy in time for the playoffs, who knows, maybe we'll have our revenge against Philly in the playoffs. The next 4 weeks are crucial, all of these teams are competitive, if we go 2=2 I think we have a good chance of getting to 10-6.

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Look around at every team’s IR list and I guarantee the Skins aren’t some sort of anomaly when it comes to injuries. It’s a brutal game, guys get hurt and teams have to adjust.

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[quote=MTK;1177658]Look around at every team’s IR list and I guarantee the Skins aren’t some sort of anomaly when it comes to injuries. It’s a brutal game, guys get hurt and teams have to adjust.[/quote]

Agreed, but in this case we are decimated at OL and the secondary.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33898/injuries-to-trent-williams-brandon-scherff-highlight-redskins-health-issues]Injuries to Trent Williams, Brandon Scherff highlight Redskins' issues - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1177651]Yes, I believe that what you suggest can be done because the Washington Nationals completely revamped their medical and training programs in 2016 and they have had significantly less playing time lost due to injuries since then. Here are some of the things they've done taken from a 2016 Washington Post article:

[I]In mid-November, Rizzo led a news conference in which he unveiled a new organization-wide medical plan he suggested could be “the new Moneyball” — a medical system that would take a more proactive approach to keeping players on the field.

“Thirteen-hundred disabled list days from core players. How much does that cost us?” Rizzo asked then, in the wake of a disappointing season in which the expected starting lineup materialized twice. “This is really a money-saving operation.”

The Nationals created what they call a “medical advisory board” in partnership with Inova Health System that included Executive Director of Medical Services Harvey Sharman and Doctors Robin West and Keith Pyne. It relies on hands-on expertise and analytics to identify trouble spots before they become injuries and monitor the total health of Nationals players.

In spring training, the team’s personnel evaluated each player’s mobility — biomechanical baselines, basically. The idea is that as players fatigue, their biomechanics show the strain. When players, or more accurately their muscles, fatigue, they are at greater risk for injury. Those baselines provide a means of comparison, helpful in determining whether a player is fatiguing in a way that might put him at risk.

Tracking biomechanics is not unique to the Nationals. But the Nationals’ commitment to data has continued into the regular season. Corrective exercise specialist Joe Cancellieri — one of the new hires — paces the clubhouse each day with a tablet, surveying players about how they feel, how much they slept and other similar details.

The Nationals also tested players for allergies and other nutritional intolerances. Some players were asked to alter their diets in the hopes that little tweaks could improve their health.

The effort is led by Sharman, the new executive director of medical services, who formerly worked for Leeds United, the English professional soccer club.

“He’s one of the best guys I’ve ever been around,” outfielder Bryce Harper said. “. . . Really finding the problem and making sure to get it going and get everything going around it. Everybody goes in there, and these guys really take care of us. It’s the best thing this organization has done in a long time for the players.”

Rizzo said the Nationals tried to bring in people like Sharman — who had never dealt in baseball before — who have a variety of backgrounds. Players say they sense a commitment to their well-being that transcends the often precarious balance of trust between trainers, players, and their managers.

During that 2015 season, 11 Nationals spent a total of 1,024 days on the disabled list that cost them $32 million, according to SpotTrac, a website that tracks these things. Surprisingly, neither number led the majors, though both ranked in the top 10.

This season, as of about the two-thirds mark, 10 Nationals players spent a total of 367 days on the disabled list at a cost of $6.8 million. Perhaps because of the changes — or perhaps, as Zimmerman pointed out, the sample size may be too small to tell — those 11 injured Nationals averaged 93 days each on the disabled list. This season, those 10 injured Nationals have averaged just fewer than 37.

“I know the care is light years ahead of where it was,” Werth said. “. . . There’s going to be nicks, bumps, there’s going to be injuries. All in all, I think we’ve done a pretty good job of putting players in a position to succeed.”
[/I][/QUOTE]Good read, thanks.

I also think teams should enforce stricter policies about alcohol.

I read about players partying and getting wasted few days before games.
Thinking that it as no affect on your body, and in particular your muscles, is just stupid.


To me there are 2 kind of injuries:

-Those caused by hits and/or bending the body in a way it's not supposed to be bent. You can't do much about these, if you get a huge hit on the head, your brain gets damaged, if a 300 pounds guy falls on your knee awkwardly, it tears your ACL.

-On the other hand a lot of non contact injuries, like muscle sprains or tweaked ankles, could be avoided with better preparation, better warm up, healthier lifestyle, and better management of fatigue. When you tweak your ankle alone, just running, it usually is your body saying "that's to much, I've had enough".

Also, football is a sport where it's hard to keep your body warm through all the game. Apart from the kicker, you never see players warming up on the sidelines during the game. When you warmed up 2 hours ago and you haven't play for 20minutes, your body is not 100% ready to run full speed and take a hit.


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The coaching staff HAS to step up this week. With all the injuries, and guys playing hurt still, the players can only do so much when they're best just isn't out there. Gruden and the offensive staff HAVE to figure out a way to get points on the board Sunday, and the defensive coaches HAVE to figure out how to stop Elliott and running game. HAVE to win Sunday at home to have any chance of a winning season. Eagles fell off down the stretch last year...they may fall off some again with 2 key injuries they sustained Monday night. This is where this team, coaches and players, HAVE to make a statement...and show that how they played in their 3 game winning stretch IS who this team is going forward.

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[quote=Redskins247;1177668]The coaching staff HAS to step up this week. With all the injuries, and guys playing hurt still, the players can only do so much when they're best just isn't out there. Gruden and the offensive staff HAVE to figure out a way to get points on the board Sunday, and the defensive coaches HAVE to figure out how to stop Elliott and running game. HAVE to win Sunday at home to have any chance of a winning season. Eagles fell off down the stretch last year...they may fall off some again with 2 key injuries they sustained Monday night. This is where this team, coaches and players, HAVE to make a statement...and show that how they played in their 3 game winning stretch IS who this team is going forward.[/quote]

while the eagles backfield isnt Zeke, we played the run pretty decent on monday - my issue is sacking the qb - Dak is as mobile as wentz and we have ALWAYS struggled with contain on the qb - granted, we arent the only team, but we get severely burned on plays where the qb breaks contain, we lost the chiefs game on a similar play, and gave up points to the sheagles on a similar play week 1... i hate dallas, and all the players they have, i really hope we find a way to step this effing thing up because i really feel like our vanilla ass defense just gets burned every week unless we overmatch an OL ... and that isnt often. IMO 100% MUST cintinue to get MORE creative on D - period.