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[QUOTE=MTK;1215091]Cooley knows the game he should definitely get into coaching



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Cooley is in a very unique position.

He is highly intelligent and has gained experience in two very different but very successful offensive systems. (Gibbs and Shanny).

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Fuck it. Make him Team President. Out goes Bruce Asshole and in comes Captain Chaos.

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Whatever the speculation is with Cooley when it comes to coaching or front office, etc., he needs to come in and earn his stripes. Assistant to something. Skins do themselves zero favors bringing in old skins into influential positions. It’s not a good look.

If anything the Skins need to bring in guys from successful orgs to show them how to run a competent front office. Eric Schaffer seems to be the only guy who has earned his way and has done a good job. People say Kyle Smith...I just don’t know what he has actually done.

There is a list of guys outside the org who have clearly earned a chance to be GM...I’d like us to go this route. Cooley, Doug Williams, Bruce Allen, Kyle Smith...not exactly the group of people who I believe can get it right.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1215088]if bruce allen gets fired by new years day, i will go buy a bottle of jagermeister and throw a 1 person party.[/quote]

fuck bruce allen!! Pos mf!!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1215101]Whatever the speculation is with Cooley when it comes to coaching or front office, etc., he needs to come in and earn his stripes. Assistant to something. Skins do themselves zero favors bringing in old skins into influential positions. It’s not a good look.



If anything the Skins need to bring in guys from successful orgs to show them how to run a competent front office. Eric Schaffer seems to be the only guy who has earned his way and has done a good job. People say Kyle Smith...I just don’t know what he has actually done.



There is a list of guys outside the org who have clearly earned a chance to be GM...I’d like us to go this route. Cooley, Doug Williams, Bruce Allen, Kyle Smith...not exactly the group of people who I believe can get it right.[/QUOTE]Assistant to the TE's coach.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1215101]. People say Kyle Smith...I just don’t know what he has actually done. [/QUOTE]



What had Sean mcvay done before he was given the opportunity? If we don’t give him a shot, someone else will. I’m tired of letting our top talent go elsewhere and succeed




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[QUOTE=MTK;1215091]Cooley knows the game he should definitely get into coaching



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Listening to him over the past couple years, i think he’d be more interested in a job in the front office.


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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1215080]The fact there were major resignations recently and Allen seems to have maintained his influence over the team's front office....it seems Snyder hasn't taken into consideration the team's never ending failure under Shanahan and Gruden (both Bruce Allen hires) which has produced 59 wins 83 losses and 1 tie. That's an embarrassing, horrible, pitiful, pathetic, egregious, satanic, and.disgustingly bloody menstrual cycle .412 winning percentage....let's face facts....the only thing that's keeping Bruce Allen in the position he's in is the fact that he's George Allen's son....[/QUOTE]



The firings were Snyder’s call, not Allen’s, although I’m sure he didn’t mind.

If Allen stays as team president, he certainly doesn’t know it yet. Loverro reported that Allen is fearful for his job and that he and jays decision to get rid of Swearinger was a “Hail Mary” attempt at maintaining some semblance of control.

I would be shocked if Allen isn’t removed from his current job... perhaps just a little over 24 hours from now.


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215111]Assistant to the TE's coach.

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I need to come in as assistant to the traveling secretary

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215094]Cooley is in a very unique position.

He is highly intelligent and has gained experience in two very different but very successful offensive systems. (Gibbs and Shanny).

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Idk, maybe it's just me but there's a difference between knowing the game and being able to teach others the game. The former is being a great player and the latter is being a great coach.

Just to use the most recent example that comes to mind, Adam Oates was a HOFer for the Caps, by all accounts knew the game, but he was absolutely atrocious as a coach.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1215117]Idk, maybe it's just me but there's a difference between knowing the game and being able to teach others the game. The former is being a great player and the latter is being a great coach.



Just to use the most recent example that comes to mind, Adam Oates was a HOFer for the Caps, by all accounts knew the game, but he was absolutely atrocious as a coach.[/QUOTE]Fair point.

What have you thought about his evaluations of draft picks and FA's?

He has usually been spot on with how they will fit in and contribute based on my recollection.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215079]I’m 99 percent confident Allen will no longer be in his current role by Monday.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]People are going to be disappointed, if Bruce Allen was going to be fired or moved in the organization it would have been with the mass Purge that just happened. He wasn't moved, he wasn't fired, his position wasn't changed. Nothing's changing with Allen just accept it.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215114]The firings were Snyder’s call, not Allen’s, although I’m sure he didn’t mind.

If Allen stays as team president, he certainly doesn’t know it yet. Loverro reported that Allen is fearful for his job and that he and jays decision to get rid of Swearinger was a “Hail Mary” attempt at maintaining some semblance of control.

I would be shocked if Allen isn’t removed from his current job... perhaps just a little over 24 hours from now.


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You seem to have inside sources or something the way you speak. You’ve said a few times that Allen is surely gone. What makes you so certain?


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215122]People are going to be disappointed, if Bruce Allen was going to be fired or moved in the organization it would have been with the mass Purge that just happened. He wasn't moved, he wasn't fired, his position wasn't changed. Nothing's changing with Allen just accept it.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. I’ve said the same thing. I can understand why Snyder would keep Gruden and Manusky until the end of the season, but there is NOTHING stopping him from firing or reassigning Bruce. If he was going to do it he would have by now.


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215118]Fair point.

What have you thought about his evaluations of draft picks and FA's?

He has usually been spot on with how they will fit in and contribute based on my recollection.

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To be fair, I don't listen to enough of Cooley on the regular to form a basis of opinion on him.

I see his content that's reposted here about tidbits from the game, or play breakdowns where he points out the flaws/successes and I generally agree with it, but that's about it.

All I got is I agree that he knows the game and is a good analyst about it, but can't conclude definitively that would make him a great coach. Great coaching is more about connecting with the players and putting things in terms that makes it easy for them to learn and remember. The truly great coaches also gameplan for players' individual strengths so they can maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

TL;DR: there's only one way to find out if he'd be a good coach. But I don't want to be the team to do it. As much as I hate to say it, I'd rather we bring in a guy without any connections to this franchise. I don't see DS being comfortable with outside NFL talent though. Also Chico made a good point, if Cooley was to come on staff here he needs to start at the bottom and work his way up the ranks. Man's never been an NFL coach before.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215124]Agreed. I’ve said the same thing. I can understand why Snyder would keep Gruden and Manusky until the end of the season, [B]but there is NOTHING stopping him from firing or reassigning Bruce[/B]. If he was going to do it he would have by now.


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I agree. GM isn't one of those positions teams typically wait until the end of the season to fire someone. He should have been fired weeks ago, that way we could get a head start on other teams that will also have an opening (and probably a more attractive opening than ours)

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Jim Harbaugh and Todd Bowles anyone?


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[url]https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/1079168404236525568?s=20[/url]

This dude is a big J journalist, not a gossip guy.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1215129][url]https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/1079168404236525568?s=20[/url]

This dude is a big J journalist, not a gossip guy.

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Oh thank God. Maybe Kyle Smith to GM?


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For what it’s worth, Cooley was on sheehans podcast yesterday and mentioned he was on his way to redskins park and at another point in the interview said he was going to hang out with “Danny” later in the day.

Cooley’s taking some sort of job with the team.


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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1215129][url]https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/1079168404236525568?s=20[/url]

This dude is a big J journalist, not a gossip guy.

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Yes, Kevin Sheehan and Thom Loverro have been indicating this for a while


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[quote=Chico23231;1215115]I need to come in as assistant to the traveling secretary[/quote]

And let your secretary do all the work!

"I'm giving you a raaaaaaiiiiiisssseeeee!"

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1215123]You seem to have inside sources or something the way you speak. You’ve said a few times that Allen is surely gone. What makes you so certain?


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I don’t have sources. I’m just a fan that has a long commute and listen to Kevin sheehans podcast. Kevin and Thom Loverro are connected. Thom has directly stated things he’s heard from sources and kevin goes out of his way to say says his sources aren’t telling him anything but then says things where you know he is relaying inside info.

Between what’s been directly been stated and what’s been hinted at, Bruce Allen is out on the football side but will continue working on the stadium (whether as someone still employed by the team or as an external consultant), Jay is staying as HC for next year (while the new regime figures out what to do) and football ops will be run by some combination of Kyle Smith and Eric Shaffer. One of them may get a GM or president of football ops title.

Separately from recent news, There have also been hints that Cooley could be taking a job with the team for some time. It used to be something they’d joke relatively open about, and then Cooley said he couldn’t talk about it, and lately he’s been very “politically correct” in all things relating Bruce’s job and performance.

Im hoping Kyle will be GM and Cooley will end up with a position under him, but i also have a fear that Kyle is moving in to greener pastures as a GM elsewhere and Cooley will be our GM in a PR move Snyder hopes will win over fans (dude is smart, but despite elway and lynch having some success, i don’t know if Cooley is quite ready for that yet).


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215122]People are going to be disappointed, if Bruce Allen was going to be fired or moved in the organization it would have been with the mass Purge that just happened. He wasn't moved, he wasn't fired, his position wasn't changed. Nothing's changing with Allen just accept it.[/QUOTE]I don't know if that is "a purge". As Sheehan said a couple of days ago, in 31 out of 32 organisations, the firing of a couple of business guys isn't even a news, fans don't know their names.
Dysfunction in this organisation leads us to react to everything, but I don't know that those firings were an indication either way...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1215122]People are going to be disappointed, if Bruce Allen was going to be fired or moved in the organization it would have been with the mass Purge that just happened. He wasn't moved, he wasn't fired, his position wasn't changed. Nothing's changing with Allen just accept it.[/quote]

There is little to support your contention. Allen might be fired after the season is over.

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Breaking...Gruden expected to return per Ian R

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/redskins-news-jay-gruden-expected-to-return-for-another-year-in-washington/amp/[/url]


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215155]Breaking...Gruden expected to return per Ian R

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/redskins-news-jay-gruden-expected-to-return-for-another-year-in-washington/amp/[/url]


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That sucks, lame!

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215129][url]https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/1079168404236525568?s=20[/url]

This dude is a big J journalist, not a gossip guy.

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I love the DC Sports Bog, been reading that since the days when it was just Steinberg doing all the work. He usually does softer, get-to-know-athletes stories/opinion articles instead of getting in deep with any one franchise.

Really hope he/Thom/Kevin are right on this one, at this point this seems to be the best case scenario.

Don't scare me with Cooley as GM scenarios though, there's absolutely no way a guy who has never worked in a front office before should be put in charge.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215155]Breaking...Gruden expected to return per Ian R

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/redskins-news-jay-gruden-expected-to-return-for-another-year-in-washington/amp/[/url]


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I'm alright with it if it means a certain son of George Allen is moved out of football ops. Let the new GM work with Gruden for a year and go from there. The Alex Smith situation is only gonna screw us this year anyways.

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[quote=mooby;1215159]I love the DC Sports Bog, been reading that since the days when it was just Steinberg doing all the work. He usually does softer, get-to-know-athletes stories/opinion articles instead of getting in deep with any one franchise.

Really hope he/Thom/Kevin are right on this one, at this point this seems to be the best case scenario.

Don't scare me with Cooley as GM scenarios though, there's absolutely no way a guy who has never worked in a front office before should be put in charge.[/quote]

If Cooley is put in an influential position within the org it would be absolutely pathetic. I’m gonna be pissed....another dumbshit Snyder cronyism yes man bullshit move. Disgusting.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1215152]There is little to support your contention. Allen might be fired after the season is over.[/quote]

There is little to support him being fired. DS history with GM's (particularly VC) is to fire in season, and after the Giants debacle, he could have fired him with no fan backlash. Obviously, he still could and fans would be happy, but consider the following facts.

The Skins got blown out by the Giants - BA stays
The Skins get thrashed in the media for Reuben Foster signing - BA stays
The Skins bring in buttfumble who fails - BA stays
DJ repeatedly calls out the coaches - BA stays and allows JG/Staff to release DJ
Dan Snyder accepts the resignations/fires a promising COO and staff who are here less than a year - BA stays on the football side.


As President, BA could be held responsible for any or all of the various issues. Certainly the fans as a whole have called for his dismissal, but DS has made 0 moves that show BA has lost his support.

You say there is little to support my contention, except the fact that as President, BA could have been moved, let go at anytime without backlash or in season concerns of firing a coach, and DS has done NOTHING to show that is in his plans.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1215147]I don't know if that is "a purge". As Sheehan said a couple of days ago, in 31 out of 32 organisations, the firing of a couple of business guys isn't even a news, fans don't know their names.
Dysfunction in this organisation leads us to react to everything, but I don't know that those firings were an indication either way...

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Fair enough purge was a harsh word, but if you let the COO go because you plan on moving the team President into an equivalent position, you make simultaneous announcements - that would have been the easiest way to handle moving BA out of football operations - but DS didn't so I doubt there is a reason to expect a change in the off season.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215181]Fair enough purge was a harsh word, but if you let the COO go because you plan on moving the team President into an equivalent position, you make simultaneous announcements - that would have been the easiest way to handle moving BA out of football operations - but DS didn't so I doubt there is a reason to expect a change in the off season.[/QUOTE]



Snyder doesn’t like to fire football people during the season. He’s publicly admitted it was a mistake to do so in the past. Bruce will be reassigned or let go after the season.


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[QUOTE=mooby;1215159]Don't scare me with Cooley as GM scenarios though, there's absolutely no way a guy who has never worked in a front office before should be put in charge.[/QUOTE]


It seems to be working ok for Denver and Sam Francisco.


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215179]There is little to support him being fired. DS history with GM's (particularly VC) is to fire in season, and after the Giants debacle, he could have fired him with no fan backlash. Obviously, he still could and fans would be happy, but consider the following facts.



The Skins got blown out by the Giants - BA stays

The Skins get thrashed in the media for Reuben Foster signing - BA stays

The Skins bring in buttfumble who fails - BA stays

DJ repeatedly calls out the coaches - BA stays and allows JG/Staff to release DJ

Dan Snyder accepts the resignations/fires a promising COO and staff who are here less than a year - BA stays on the football side.





As President, BA could be held responsible for any or all of the various issues. Certainly the fans as a whole have called for his dismissal, but DS has made 0 moves that show BA has lost his support.



You say there is little to support my contention, except the fact that as President, BA could have been moved, let go at anytime without backlash or in season concerns of firing a coach, and DS has done NOTHING to show that is in his plans.[/QUOTE]


Vinny Cerrato had a better record than Bruce Allen.- BA stays
In Allens 8 years tenure (2010-2018) The Redskins have won ZERO playoff games. - BA stays




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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1215188]Vinny Cerrato had a better record than Bruce Allen.- BA stays
In Allens 8 years tenure (2010-2018) The Redskins have won ZERO playoff games. - BA stays




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More Breaking. More news that Bruce Allen and Gruden are safe.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2018/12/30/18160964/report-jay-gruden-and-bruce-allen-likely-safe-changes-expected-to-coaching-staff[/url]


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Gruden coming back. Yay us. Mr. 7-9.

Maybe the east will be so bad next year Gruden finds a way to go 8-8 and can actually make the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1215192]Gruden coming back. Yay us. Mr. 7-9.



Maybe the east will be so bad next year Gruden finds a way to go 8-8 and can actually make the playoffs.[/QUOTE]



I’m more worried about BA staying


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From Hogs Haven:

If Bruce Allen stays, which never really seemed to be in doubt despite the #FireBruceAllen campaign on social media, he will still have influence on the entire organization. It won't matter what his new job description is, this will not be good enough for a frustrated, angry, and indifferent fan base that is more and more ready to move on.

Dan Snyder lives in an insulated bubble and is reportedly surprised by the fan revolt. He doesn't have a clue what he has done to the organization over the last two decades, and there doesn't seem to be any end to the reign of error. The Redskins continue to make money, but the cracks in the local fan base are getting bigger. Dan Snyder doesn't care, and Bruce Allen will outlast us all.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1215182]Snyder doesn’t like to fire football people during the season. He’s publicly admitted it was a mistake to do so in the past. Bruce will be reassigned or let go after the season.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Bruce is team president. An organizational shake up already happened and he could have moved Bruce at any point after the Giants game and he hasn't. In terms of Snyder not moving football people in season that referred to coaches as far as i understood it. I have never heard DS say firing VC in season was a mistake.