Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=budw38;1246052]You trade him for whatever you can . A 3rd in 2020 , and a 4th in 2021 . We weren't winning with him , he wasn't playing last year ......... trade his ass and get some picks for him . As soon as that happens , ship Dunbar too , build draft pics now , in 2 or three years , you have a strong core to build around .[/quote]

I don't see the Redskins getting any better than that unless they wait till the season starts. Teams in need will try the draft well before trading a high pick for someone in their 30's that plays 75% of the time and wants top dollar. The team that drafts someone will at least let them go through the pre season before they decide they need someone else. Also I would only expect interest from a contender, so that decreases the options. I think him sitting out the whole season adds to lowering his value.

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Here are some options to replace Williams, like I said this is a good draft for OT’s.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-have-options-replace-trent-williams-both-nfl-draft-or-free-agency[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1246077]Im trying to figure out the cap ramifications if TW is not traded and he doesnt report.
Does his 14.5 or just the 2M option or none count against the cap?

Ive read we can fine him 30k per day missed in TC then with hold each weekly pay check as he misses the weeks, one week at a time.

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“Trent is excited to resume his Pro Bowl career with a team interested in a player of his stature,” Williams’ agent, Vincent Taylor, told Ben Standig of TheAthletic.com. “We really appreciate and respect [owner] Dan Snyder for the chance to seek another opportunity.

“This isn’t about a contract, but time for a change of scenery.”
[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/trent-williams-agent-isn-t-235359019.html[/url]

Cool Mr. Agent, its not about the money so now the hurdle of finding a team that will trade assets and give TW a new LTD is off the table!! hell yeah! Im taking your word for it guy.

Now, per his agent, its just about finding a new team willing to give up a 2nd R! That should make getting a 2R much easier if the new team also doesnt have to pay him 4/80/50[/quote]

Only the $2M prorated bonus would count against the cap. The remainder would not. But it doesn't matter because Rivera will trade him, it's the sensible move. If you're trying to change a culture you need to have nothing but guys who want to be here.

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This is from BurgundyBlog, and I agree with everything except for the notion that TW is in his prime years.

"I'd probably move Trent for a 2 and bury this. But I'd aim higher. He's very good and still in prime years for the position. #Redskins don't owe him any goodwill, aren't in a hurry, and his punitive new contract is not their problem. Demand a luxury price for your luxury asset."

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[quote=Schneed10;1246089]Only the $2M prorated bonus would count against the cap. The remainder would not. But it doesn't matter because Rivera will trade him, it's the sensible move. If you're trying to change a culture you need to have nothing but guys who want to be here.[/quote]

Thank you, tried reading about it last night and couldnt 100% figure it out. Came away thinking perhaps wed get like weekly cap relief but that didnt seem right.

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Trent to the Browns for Denzel Ward. Maybe swap some later round picks to even things out.

Solves our Trent problem and gives us a good, cheap, young CB. Allows us to spend big in FA on Hooper, extending Scherff, resigning Flowers, and perhaps signing a guy like Peters or Penn to start at LT for a year or two while we develop some younger guys.

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CLEVELAND, Ohio — It’s no longer Scho-Time in Cleveland.

Browns GM Andrew Berry met with linebacker Joe Schobert’s agent, Joe Panos, in Indianapolis, and the two sides parted with the belief that Schobert will not be back with the Browns because they’re not prepared to pay him the double-digit millions he stands to make on the open market, a league source said.

Schobert, a 2017 Pro Bowler, could attract about $10 million a year, and the Browns aren’t prepared to pay him that much, the source said.

[B]They’re planning to make a big investment in the offensive line, sources say, and they’re saving their pennies for that.[/B] It’s also the reason that defensive end Olivier Vernon, the highest-paid player on the team at $15.25 million, will also likely be gone.
[url]https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/lb-joe-schobert-will-hit-the-free-agent-market-and-will-not-be-back-with-the-browns-source-says.html[/url]

Couple of nuggets. LB Schobert will be on the market and apparantely Olivier Vernon. Im a no for both.

Come on browns .... do it. Make that O line move. Your window is now. Baker, OBJ, Landry, Garrett, Ward ... lets go.

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The best return in terms of draft picks maybe for some in next years draft, GMs are a little more relaxed about trading future picks it seems......

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Mary Kay Cabot is a well connected reporter in Cleveland. So if she's saying that the Browns may need to part ways with their #10 overall pick for Trent, that's something to pay attention IMO.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1246113]Mary Kay Cabot is a well connected reporter in Cleveland. So if she's saying that the Browns may need to part ways with their #10 overall pick for Trent, that's something to pay attention IMO.[/quote]

I say the chance of a pick that high pre draft are slim and none.

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If we get their 10th pick I'll jump out of an airplane

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Hopefully the Browns new GM Andrew Berry, only 32 years old, is viewing this as he has 2 years to make the Browns a SB winner and will make bold moves to maximize that window.

Browns do have a 2 year window before their core will need to be resigned/shipped out. garrett, baker, ward, chubb, greedy, bitonio.

They have 61M in cap and releasing Vernon gets them 15.5M in cap savings with no dead money, lb Kirksey gets them another 6.7 or so.

They will have over 80M in cap space.

so enticing .. not sure if this is fan dreams or actually realistic

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Or what about TW and our 3rd for their 1st? We can then parlay that #10 pick into multiple lower/future picks?

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[quote=SunnySide;1246116]Hopefully the Browns new GM Andrew Berry, only 32 years old, is viewing this as he has 2 years to make the Browns a SB winner and will make bold moves to maximize that window.

Browns do have a 2 year window before their core will need to be resigned/shipped out. garrett, baker, ward, chubb, greedy, bitonio.

They have 61M in cap and releasing Vernon gets them 15.5M in cap savings with no dead money, lb Kirksey gets them another 6.7 or so.

They will have over 80M in cap space.

so enticing .. not sure if this is fan dreams or actually realistic[/quote]

Paul DePodesta is the exec that is calling the shots in Cleveland, and he's in a win-now mode. He survived all the firings from earlier this offseason in Cleveland and has been put in charge of the team. They have no time for a rebuild, so I am not surprised there are talks about them giving up their first rounder.

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I just don't see any possible way they give up #10 for Trent who is 32 and hasn't played in 2 years now. We can all have wishful thinking but lets be real here.. That ain't happening lol

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I would call the Cardinals and ask for a Trent / Patrick Peterson swap. Fixes our CB need and gives them a LT they need.. Its a win/win

The Browns don't have anything we really need (other than the picks)
Texans have no players or picks

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I can't see that happening unless a semi insane bidding war breaks out..... they must know that the #10 in round 2 would get it done, so why would they part ways with the first rounder...... if they did they should all be fired on the spot

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1246113]Mary Kay Cabot is a well connected reporter in Cleveland. So if she's saying that the Browns may need to part ways with their #10 overall pick for Trent, that's something to pay attention IMO.[/QUOTE]



Definitely agree, she’s a legit source


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not even the Browns are stupid enough to give the Redskins the 10th pick of the draft for a old, often injured, disgruntled tackle who wants to be paid QB money.

seriously trent should just retire at this point.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1246127]not even the Browns are stupid enough to give the Redskins the 10th pick of the draft for a old, often injured, disgruntled tackle who wants to be paid QB money.



seriously trent should just retire at this point.[/QUOTE]Let him retire after we get draft picks for him.

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It's a good sign that there appears to be multiple teams in play.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1246129]It's a good sign that there appears to be multiple teams in play.[/quote]

Multiple teams ? Source?

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1246127]not even the Browns are stupid enough to give the Redskins the 10th pick of the draft for a old, often injured, disgruntled tackle who wants to be paid QB money.

seriously trent should just retire at this point.[/quote]

If he is traded before the season starts I will venture a guess it will be for a 3rd or 4th rounder. On the other hand considering their draft history possibly they don't value their first round pick. 20 years of first round picks have yielded the Browns mostly duds.

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Not trying be be a Debbie Downer here. But the actual likelihood of another team trading for Trent Williams seems slim. Consider all of the top name LTs that we know are already on the market. Bryan Bulaga, Jason Peters, to name a couple.

Additionally, just take a look at the draft this year. There are as many as 8 OTs that could be drafted in the first round. Other that WR, sounds like OT is very deep this year.

No one is going to trade away draft picks for TW when they can sign a top quality veteran, or draft a week 1 starter in the 2020 draft.

TW not going anywhere.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1246132]Not trying be be a Debbie Downer here. But the actual likelihood of another team trading for Trent Williams seems slim. Consider all of the top name LTs that we know are already on the market. Bryan Bulaga, Jason Peters, to name a couple.

Additionally, just take a look at the draft this year. There are as many as 8 OTs that could be drafted in the first round. Other that WR, sounds like OT is very deep this year.

No one is going to trade away draft picks for TW when they can sign a top quality veteran, or draft a week 1 starter in the 2020 draft.

TW not going anywhere.[/quote]

LOL

Yeah HOF caliber LT. Can't imagine why anybody would do that when they could get geriatric Jason Peters to play for them.

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The guy is 32 and can still play at a high level at one of the most important positions on the field. I think some are seriously underestimating his value.


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[quote=sandtrapjack;1246132]Not trying be be a Debbie Downer here. But the actual likelihood of another team trading for Trent Williams seems slim. Consider all of the top name LTs that we know are already on the market. Bryan Bulaga, Jason Peters, to name a couple.

Additionally, just take a look at the draft this year. There are as many as 8 OTs that could be drafted in the first round. Other that WR, sounds like OT is very deep this year.

No one is going to trade away draft picks for TW when they can sign a top quality veteran, or draft a week 1 starter in the 2020 draft.

TW not going anywhere.[/quote]

Hey Trap.

Peters is 38 and oft injured, Bulaga is a RT. I think a team will offer a trade for 31 year old LT (32 come September). The biggest down driver of the value though to me, is still the fact a new team will most likely have to also show him the money.

A team with a win now window and no LT will make an offer. Question is whether its better than a 3rd.

Worst case scenario, he stays doesnt report, we place him on the reserve/non football injury list and collect a 3rd round comp for 2021 (assuming we dont sign a tier 1 FA to offset it)

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[quote=MTK;1246134]The guy is 32 and can still play at a high level at one of the most important positions on the field. I think some are seriously underestimating his value.


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The Panthers just gave away a 26 year old Guard, for Russell Okung, who is the same age as Trent. And while Okung has been a good tackle, he's nowhere near the level of play that Trent has produced.

If there was a market for Okung, there is DEFINITELY a market for Trent, as long as his agent is being reasonable in regards to the contract that he has.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1246137]The Panthers just gave away a 26 year old Guard, for Russell Okung, who is the same age as Trent. And while Okung has been a good tackle, he's nowhere near the level of play that Trent has produced.



If there was a market for Okung, there is DEFINITELY a market for Trent, as long as his agent is being reasonable in regards to the contract that he has.[/QUOTE]


Right, the key will be Trent agreeing to an extension and coming back down to earth with his demands. Once that falls in place it’s not hard to imagine a team coming up a worthwhile trade offer.



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[quote=EdmundDorf;1246130]Multiple teams ? Source?[/quote]

I heard it on the radio this morning. It was said to be at least Jacksonville and a team with a top 10 1st round pick. I think Ian Rapaport has also said "teams" are intrested.

I mean it's a good sign, but just because teams are interested doesn't mean they are going to be willing to pay him what he wants and give the redskins what they want.

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[quote=MTK;1246138]Right, the key will be Trent agreeing to an extension and coming back down to earth with his demands. Once that falls in place it’s not hard to imagine a team coming up a worthwhile trade offer.



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I have a feeling that Trent pulled a Kirk Cousins and made a demand that he knows the Redskins are not going to be able to give him, because he wants to move on.

Also, Trent no longer has any beef with the team, so it is not like teams can play chicken and wait until the team let's him go. So teams are going to have to compete for Trent, and that's only going to mean a better compensation for us.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1246132]Not trying be be a Debbie Downer here. But the actual likelihood of another team trading for Trent Williams seems slim. Consider all of the top name LTs that we know are already on the market. Bryan Bulaga, Jason Peters, to name a couple.

Additionally, just take a look at the draft this year. There are as many as 8 OTs that could be drafted in the first round. Other that WR, sounds like OT is very deep this year.

No one is going to trade away draft picks for TW when they can sign a top quality veteran, or draft a week 1 starter in the 2020 draft.

TW not going anywhere.[/quote]

sandy vag, ....Looking to get the new league year started with an L

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I think having great left tackles for about 20 straight years has made us desensitized to what it's like to have a problem at that position. Teams that haven't had a good LT in 20 years would give their left testicle for one.

Same way we felt about the QB position prior to seeing Kirk Cousins take the reins in 2015.

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Call me crazy, but seeing that multiple teams are involved, I actually think we get a first rounder (or equivalent value) for Trent.

Some team is going to believe they’re getting a guaranteed top-5 left tackle for 3-4, maybe even 5 more years. That’s the duration of a rookie contact.
For contending teams with cap space who are in the market for a starting LT, why take a gamble on a first round rookie when they can get a pro-bowler?

Sure, a rookie is younger and there is the potential the team could draft a guy and lock up the position for 10-12 years, but that presumes they can resign him when his rookie deal expires. And a rookie - even a first rounder - could end up being a bust.

I’m calling it now - We’re getting first round level compensation.


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A 1st rounder definitely isn't off the table if multiple teams are interested.

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[quote=MTK;1246148]A 1st rounder definitely isn't off the table if multiple teams are interested.[/quote]

We shall see, maybe someone should put up a poll. Whether it happens pre draft or post draft I believe will make a big difference.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1246132]Not trying be be a Debbie Downer here. But the actual likelihood of another team trading for Trent Williams seems slim. Consider all of the top name LTs that we know are already on the market. Bryan Bulaga, Jason Peters, to name a couple.

Additionally, just take a look at the draft this year. There are as many as 8 OTs that could be drafted in the first round. Other that WR, sounds like OT is very deep this year.

No one is going to trade away draft picks for TW when they can sign a top quality veteran, or draft a week 1 starter in the 2020 draft.

TW not going anywhere.[/quote]

I don't think you're being objective in this instance. Year after year teams overpay for top LT's, in salary and draft picks both. I wouldn't be surprised if we can trade him for a second round pick.

p.s. Jason Peters, who was a great player, has lost more than a step and he's been hurt a lot. Brian Bulaga is a RT only. He's also been hurt a lot.

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[quote=Schneed10;1246144]I think having great left tackles for about 20 straight years has made us desensitized to what it's like to have a problem at that position. Teams that haven't had a good LT in 20 years would give their left testicle for one.

Same way we felt about the QB position prior to seeing Kirk Cousins take the reins in 2015.[/quote]

I remember the Shar Pourdanesh and Joe Patton years, so for me not so much

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Def not ruling out a first rounder especially if multiple teams get involved.

The difference between Trent and draft picks is you're getting a proven commodity that has been elite for almost a decade now, at a premium position in the league.

And sandtrapjack, it's not a matter of "if" he gets traded, it's a matter of when, and for how much.

Also Bulaga hasn't been elite in a while now, and Jason Peters is battling father time. Trent is definitely more desirable than both.

I'm thinking probably a second, maaaybe a first in the <20% chance a bidding war happens.