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I won't be , Chase is great but I also wouldn't be mad at trading down

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after watching the CY highlight reel i wonder how he will do against NFL OT's. I'm all for taking a chance on his talent because he looks great, I just guess my eye test didn't leave me as BLOWN AWAY as some other folks. Although, it was my first time peeping the video so a 2nd look is needed. I
d be ok with trading down as long as the haul is well worth it, otherwise, you don't pass on a von miller type.

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[quote=Meks;1248023]after watching the CY highlight reel i wonder how he will do against NFL OT's. I'm all for taking a chance on his talent because he looks great, I just guess my eye test didn't leave me as BLOWN AWAY as some other folks. Although, it was my first time peeping the video so a 2nd look is needed. I
d be ok with trading down as long as the haul is well worth it, otherwise, you don't pass on a von miller type.[/quote]

A22 Is better but I do think the hype train is a bit much

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/charley-casserly-says-chase-young-better-prospect-jadeveon-clowney-myles-garrett-were[/url]

The words "generational talent" have been thrown around frequently by NFL Draft experts when describing Ohio State pass rusher Chase Young.

NBC Sports Washington NFL analyst Charley Casserly was asked on The Sports Junkies to compare Young to some of the recent top draft picks at his position. Casserly made a point as to why Young is a better prospect coming out of college than all of them.

The first player Young was compared to was Seattle Seahawks defensive end Jadeveon Clowney, who was the No. 1 pick in the 2014 NFL Draft out of South Carolina.

"[Young is] better than Clowney," Casserly said. "Clowney had a spotted career where he was injured and wasn't consistent when he did play. [Young] is more consistent and he's played more games. All these guys played at a high level."

Like Young, Clowney was considered to be a transcendent player when he entered the NFL in 2014. In six seasons, Clowney has been named to the Pro Bowl three times and made the All-Pro team in 2016.

There have been a handful of edge rushers that have been considered to be elite NFL Draft prospects over the past two decades. Besides Clowney, names like Mario Williams, Julius Peppers and most recently in 2017, Myles Garrett come to mind.

Casserly explained where Young has the advantage over all three of those prospects.

"He's more consistent than Myles Garrett coming out," Casserly said. "He's a better athlete than Mario Williams, meaning he'll make more plays as an athlete. Going back to Julius Peppers who was taken second, he's a more instinctive player than Peppers was at that point."

Garrett, the No. 1 pick in 2017, has lived up to the hype thus far for the Cleveland Browns. He was a Pro Bowler and made the second-team All-Pro squad in 2019. He was on pace for another stellar year in 2019 before he was suspended for an altercation against the Steelers.

Williams, another No. 1 overall pick, made four Pro Bowl teams and one All-Pro squad during his 11-year career. In a draft that featured college stars such as Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Matt Leinart, the Texans selected the player who ended up having the best professional career of them all.

Peppers is a future Hall of Famer. Selected No. 2 in the 2002 NFL Draft by the Carolina Panthers, the North Carolina product made nine Pro Bowl teams and earned three first-team All-Pro selections over his 17-year career.

That's elite company for Chase Young to be in.

Casserly made the point that he's comparing Young to all these players when they were prospects, not their full body of work in the NFL. But by saying Young is better entering the league than all four of those players, all multiple-time Pro Bowlers, is a great sign for Young's future.

"I'm only comparing college careers. That's how you scout," he said. "You take a guy and start comparing him to people, and at the end, you go 'Oh, wow.' That's the way I look at the guy."

As for what the Redskins should do with the No.2 overall pick? Casserly thinks that the decision is easy.

"If I'm the Redskins I take Chase Young," he said. "I don't move back. He's that good of a football player."

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Thanks for those clips Matty.

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Host: "Any chance you're going to tip me off as to what you're going to do with that No. 2 overall pick?"

Rivera: "Yeah, we're going to pick us a good player."

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Take him. But is he a generational talent? IDK about all that. When I hear of that word I think about LT, Reggie White, Bruce Smith. Not Clowney or Mario Williams. We'll see....

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^ Casserly was asked to compare Young to recent picks not all time greats.

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[quote=MTK;1248070]^ Casserly was asked to compare Young to recent picks not all time greats.[/quote]

Also he clearly says he's comparing Young to where the aforementioned players graded out as prospects, not based on what they accomplished in their pro careers.

I think we forget every player, no matter how known or unknown they were, all enter the league as an unknown entity.

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[quote=MTK;1248070]^ Casserly was asked to compare Young to recent picks not all time greats.[/quote]

Casserly's evaluation is fair. In general the media has been hyping him as a generational talent. It's the Ohio State hype machine. He had some games where he wrecked the other teams offense, but he was also quiet in some others. If he comes in here next year and has 8 sacks and a solid but unspectacular year then everyone will call him a bust. That would be unfair.

I just hope we draft him, pair him w/ Sweat and see what those two can do. We may have our best set of DE's since Dex and Mann.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1248077]Casserly's evaluation is fair. In general the media has been hyping him as a generational talent. It's the Ohio State hype machine. He had some games where he wrecked the other teams offense, but he was also quiet in some others. If he comes in here next year and has 8 sacks and a solid but unspectacular year then everyone will call him a bust. That would be unfair.

I just hope we draft him, pair him w/ Sweat and see what those two can do. We may have our best set of DE's since Dex and Mann.[/quote]

Yes the good old days you just brought a tear to my eye.

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turn the card in

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So Ross Tucker said he has heard of a team in the top 10 that is very serious about moving up to #2 in need of a QB, That isn't Miami. Said they have 2 first round picks to offer, so clearly he's talking about the Jags.

Would you take 9 , 20 and their 3rd round pick for #2?

I think I would

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With 9 and 20 we get top Wr and OL with 3rd we get TE ... is that worth chase young ? well with young we will have a very very good D and a bad O .. with a trade we could have a above average D and average O..we need help on Offense

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[quote=rocnrik;1248237]With 9 and 20 we get top Wr and OL with 3rd we get TE ... is that worth chase young ? well with young we will have a very very good D and a bad O .. with a trade we could have a above average D and average O..we need help on Offense[/quote]

I think it's worth the look for sure, Chase is great but we have more holes than pass rusher.. Sweat and RK are back as well. We need CB , LT , TE , WR , G.

All more than DE/EDGE right now. If they get an offer like that and turn it down I'd be a little surprised , if they do not get an offer then of course I'm pumped for Chase

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248236]So Ross Tucker said he has heard of a team in the top 10 that is very serious about moving up to #2 in need of a QB, That isn't Miami. Said they have 2 first round picks to offer, so clearly he's talking about the Jags.

Would you take 9 , 20 and their 3rd round pick for #2?

I think I would[/quote]

No, they would have to throw their 2nd rounder and a 2021 1st for me to even consider it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1248239]No, they would have to throw their 2nd rounder and a 2021 1st for me to even consider it.[/quote]

I doubt they would deal 3 #1's for it but what if they offered 9,20 and their 2nd this yr?

I'd say yes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248236]So Ross Tucker said he has heard of a team in the top 10 that is very serious about moving up to #2 in need of a QB, That isn't Miami. Said they have 2 first round picks to offer, so clearly he's talking about the Jags.

Would you take 9 , 20 and their 3rd round pick for #2?

I think I would[/quote]

Here's what my mock draft looked like if we were to do that trade:


WAS 9. Tristan Wirfs OT Iowa

WAS 20. Denzel Mims WR Baylor

WAS 66. Cole Kmet TE Notre Dame

WAS 73. Matt Hennessy C Temple

WAS 108. Harrison Bryant TE FAU

WAS 142. Jack Driscoll OT Auburn

WAS 162. Harrison Hand CB Temple

WAS 216. Steven Montez QB Colorado

WAS 229. Chris Williamson CB Minnesota

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1248239]No, they would have to throw their 2nd rounder and a 2021 1st for me to even consider it.[/quote]

I'm with you next years 1st has to be included.

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If they have fallen in love with their QB of the future we should screw them for as much as we a can get. Personally I wouldn't take less than x2 2020 1sts and a 2nd plus at least a 2021 2nd

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Moving back to 9 is a long way, would need lots of picks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248236]So Ross Tucker said he has heard of a team in the top 10 that is very serious about moving up to #2 in need of a QB, That isn't Miami. Said they have 2 first round picks to offer, so clearly he's talking about the Jags.

Would you take 9 , 20 and their 3rd round pick for #2?

I think I would[/quote]

5,18, and 39 from Miami is much better and is the baseline for what the Redskins should accept, IMO. I think JAX would have to up the ante to get the #2 pick. Perhaps 9,20, 42, and a player that fits a Redskins need like a Dede Westbrook would work.

If teams want to trade up, I think the Redskins have to set a high threshold for what it would take, otherwise we should draft the generational talent in Chase Young at #2.

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Moving all the way down to 9? Pass! We need to come out of the 1st with Chase or Okudah.

We have 6 other picks, FAs, and UDFAs to fill other holes. Get the elite guy with the 1st pick.

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For months, i've been an advocate of trading down. This was under the assumption that "Tua Mania" would take over as he cleared physicals and wow'ed NFL teams at his pro-day and in private interviews and teams would be in a bidding war for the #2 overall pick to secure his services. This was under the belief that the floor of any such trade would be three first round picks.

That is no longer a realistic possibility. No team is going to trade up to #2 for Tua at this point. Miami might not even be comfortable taking him at 5. We might get offers to trade up to 2 by a team that wants Chase Young, as he's just about the more sure-fire thing in this draft, but teams won't give up enough for a non-QB to make it worth our while to pass on him.

Due to corona virus, our path has become crystal clear. We're going to take the best player - the safest player - in the draft and select Young. End of Story.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1248262]For months, i've been an advocate of trading down. This was under the assumption that "Tua Mania" would take over as he cleared physicals and wow'ed NFL teams at his pro-day and in private interviews and teams would be in a bidding war for the #2 overall pick to secure his services. This was under the belief that the floor of any such trade would be three first round picks.

That is no longer a realistic possibility. No team is going to trade up to #2 for Tua at this point. Miami might not even be comfortable taking him at 5. We might get offers to trade up to 2 by a team that wants Chase Young, as he's just about the more sure-fire thing in this draft, but teams won't give up enough for a non-QB to make it worth our while to pass on him.

Due to corona virus, our path has become crystal clear. We're going to take the best player - the safest player - in the draft and select Young. End of Story.[/quote]

I'm not sure teams wouldn't move up for Tua, there is no reason why they wouldn't, especially a team like the Jags who are desperate for a FACE of their franchise. It's possible , not saying I disagree with u.

If we take Chase I'm all in for it

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1248262]For months, i've been an advocate of trading down. This was under the assumption that "Tua Mania" would take over as he cleared physicals and wow'ed NFL teams at his pro-day and in private interviews and teams would be in a bidding war for the #2 overall pick to secure his services. This was under the belief that the floor of any such trade would be three first round picks.

That is no longer a realistic possibility. No team is going to trade up to #2 for Tua at this point. Miami might not even be comfortable taking him at 5. We might get offers to trade up to 2 by a team that wants Chase Young, as he's just about the more sure-fire thing in this draft, but teams won't give up enough for a non-QB to make it worth our while to pass on him.

Due to corona virus, our path has become crystal clear. We're going to take the best player - the safest player - in the draft and select Young. End of Story.[/quote]

We are in agreement that if the best offers, if any, we get don't meet a certain threshold ( for you it's 5, 18, and 26; for me it's 5,18, and 39) then we hold what we've got and draft Chase Young. Whether or not a team is willing to pay the price has always been the question. That hasn't changed.

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[quote=Number44;1248269]We are in agreement that if the best offers, if any, we get don't meet a certain threshold ( for you it's 5, 18, and 26; for me it's 5,18, and 39) then we hold what we've got and draft Chase Young. Whether or not a team is willing to pay the price has always been the question. That hasn't changed.[/quote]

I hope no one does. Make the draft as simple as possible.

Getting the best player in the draft works 60% of the time every time!

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No matter what we do the media will always laugh at us what have we done for the last 20 years we are an easy target. I'm OK with what the media says JMO most of them don't know sh%t anyways and change sides faster than a hooker turning tricks. Take CY unless they give you so many picks you feel embarrassed.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248270]I hope no one does. Make the draft as simple as possible.

Getting the best player in the draft [B]works 60% of the time every time![/B][/quote]

90% of the game is half-mental. :D

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248268]I'm not sure teams wouldn't move up for Tua, there is no reason why they wouldn't, especially a team like the Jags who are desperate for a FACE of their franchise. It's possible , not saying I disagree with u.

If we take Chase I'm all in for it[/quote]

Its all about the medical. What team is going to trade UP for a player who just had a major hip surgery? Teams are not going to want to give up multiple picks to acquire a player who recently had that kind of injury unless their own doctors can examine the player first.

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I really want Chase Young.

Adding him to Allen, Payne, Sweat, Ioannidis, and Kerrigan gets me hard.

But .... having said that ...

... if someone wants to give us two 1st rounders this year, plus a 2nd rounder this year, AND a pick in next year's draft (1st or 2nd)? Well ... you have to think about it.

I just don't see anybody even thinking about doing that kind of thing. There's noone in the entire draft being talked about being worthy of all those picks ... except for maybe Chase Young, who is consistently labeled as the best player in the entire draft.

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One of our OL Graders who was a Bengals coach for 23 years insists they are considering taking Herbert in the draft, apparently they loved his workout and chats with him. That would be CRAZY

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If the Bengals took Herbert at #1 we are definitely trading #2 IMO some team will embarrass us with picks.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1248307]If the Bengals took Herbert at #1 we are definitely trading #2 IMO some team will embarrass us with picks.[/quote]

They (the Bengals) would probably trade down to get more picks and then take Herbert. If so, we would lose one potential trading partner (whoever moved up to take Burrow or Tua).

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I just have a bad feeling that if we do trade out of #2 .... The loser ass Giants will get young and he will murder us twice a year

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248305]One of our OL Graders who was a Bengals coach for 23 years insists they are considering taking Herbert in the draft, apparently they loved his workout and chats with him. That would be CRAZY[/quote]

I thought he was projected as somewhere in the bottom of the top ten? If they want Herbert wouldn't they trade down?

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Yeah trade down and Miami is rumored to really want Burrow so we'll see

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JLC today on CBS: "I continue to hear that (the #Redskins) are increasingly open to trading out... If they do trade back a few spots, I believe strongly they would target Isaiah Simmons, and that's another player who I'm told is super-high on their board."

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248397]JLC today on CBS: "I continue to hear that (the #Redskins) are increasingly open to trading out... If they do trade back a few spots, I believe strongly they would target Isaiah Simmons, and that's another player who I'm told is super-high on their board."[/quote]


I'm starting to feel that way too.

After reading this article on Hogs Haven --

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/3/30/21196545/jeepers-creepers-and-the-future-of-defensive-obfuscation[/url]

--about the newer approaches defenses are going to, in an attempt to mentally pressure QB's into bad decisions, which relies on a very versatile group of defenders with the ability to do different things well ... it just screams out Isaiah Simmons to me.

RR's answer about the most versatile guy on the roster right now is kinda brutal.

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If we trade down, hopefully Simmons or Okeduh is the choice, then a WR or OT.