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Of course you would be crazy not to [I]look into[/I] Cooper, but with the amount of $$ they are going to have to throw at a QB, hopefully a LB and DB, along with McKissic, I can't see them investing that much into the WR position group this offseason. I'd say him coming here is a long shot if he ends up being released.

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[quote=MTK;1311748]We'd be crazy to not look into Cooper if the money is right.[/quote]

Dude was unhappy during a very successful regular season with the cowboys because he thought he wasn’t getting enough touches. No thanks

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Salary cap is 208.2 million.

10 million higher than 2020, 26 million higher than last year.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33447764/nfl-informs-teams-2022-salary-cap-set-2082-million[/url]

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[URL="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1500933743279808514"]Calvin Ridley suspended indefinitely, at least 1 season, for betting on NFL games when he was ill during the 2021 season[/URL], says he bet 1500$.

Curious what do you guys make of this one? Seems a rather harsh punishment but I do understand that they have to make a statement about how they are protecting the integrity of the game.

Where I think there's some sort of misunderstanding is when people compare it to other suspension for, ie, domestic violence. Don't get me wrong, hitting a women is way worse than betting on a game. But the NFL is neither a justice court, nor a moral institution. It's a business trying to sell a product. So while sometimes they have to take moral stances to ease their consumers, a guy hitting his girlfriend doesn't directly impact their product. NFL players betting on games could. And with more and more people on the internet thinking the game is rigged, they can't afford to add any fuel to it.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1311878][URL="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1500933743279808514"]Calvin Ridley suspended indefinitely, at least 1 season, for betting on NFL games when he was ill during the 2021 season[/URL], says he bet 1500$.

Curious what do you guys make of this one? Seems a rather harsh punishment but I do understand that they have to make a statement about how they are protecting the integrity of the game.

Where I think there's some sort of misunderstanding is when people compare it to other suspension for, ie, domestic violence. Don't get me wrong, hitting a women is way worse than betting on a game. But the NFL is neither a justice court, nor a moral institution. It's a business trying to sell a product. So while sometimes they have to take moral stances to ease their consumers, a guy hitting his girlfriend doesn't directly impact their product. NFL players betting on games could. And with more and more people on the internet thinking the game is rigged, they can't afford to add any fuel to it.[/quote]

I think it’s serious and a bit harsh. I dunno, when I look at Stephen Ross and Synder getting away with their shit and Ridley gets the hammer?

I mean the NFL didn’t shy away from the slow legalization of sports betting, they pursued deals which made them partners and of course will make the league millions.

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Simply NO to Cooper ..

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Yes yes yes to Cooper. 27 years old and he is exactly what we need opposite McLaurin. We could purse QB, MLB, S , G in the draft.

Can u imagine him going off on Dallas twice a year?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1311878][URL="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1500933743279808514"]
Where I think there's some sort of misunderstanding is when people compare it to other suspension for, ie, domestic violence. Don't get me wrong, hitting a women is way worse than betting on a game. But the NFL is neither a justice court, nor a moral institution. It's a business trying to sell a product. So while sometimes they have to take moral stances to ease their consumers, a guy hitting his girlfriend doesn't directly impact their product. NFL players betting on games could. And with more and more people on the internet thinking the game is rigged, they can't afford to add any fuel to it.[/quote]

The NFL owners and their flunky commissioner are a bunch of hypocrites. For them, it's all about the money. If they wanted to assure the public that they are policing gambling by NFL players to ensure that games aren't fixed, they should never have partnered with gamblers.

Now, they are dropping the hammer on a player who wasn't even playing last season because he is mentally ill. Every executive in this nation should know by now that mentally ill people often do things that are self-destructive without being able to foresee the consequences to themselves or others. This player needs to be on medications and have long-term therapy before he is able to better manage his self-destructive behaviors. In short, this level of punishment for a player who is mentally ill was self-serving, for show only, uncaring about a person who is ill and needs help, and either woefully ignorant or immoral. The punishment should be reconsidered and reduced by the NFL.

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I'm guessing players are warned strongly to not bet on the NFL, and definitely to not bet on their own teams even if they are betting for a win. Just dumb. The punishment should be severe.

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[quote=MTK;1311892]I'm guessing players are warned strongly to not bet on the NFL, and definitely to not bet on their own teams even if they are betting for a win. Just dumb. The punishment should be severe.[/quote]

That was a crazy punishment. He bet $1500 with a NFL salary that is like me doing my weekly $20 bets. He also bet on parlays, not like money lines and he wasn't even playing.

I could see if he was making prop bets on himself for like how many catches he gets in a game or something, then yeah it should be a full season. this is a one game ban at best for his actions, a full season cost him $11 million bucks.

All the while some how we are in over a year on Watson and no punishment no decisions etc....NFL is a joke in your town.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1311891]The NFL owners and their flunky commissioner are a bunch of hypocrites. For them, it's all about the money. If they wanted to assure the public that they are policing gambling by NFL players to ensure that games aren't fixed, they should never have partnered with gamblers.

Now, they are dropping the hammer on a player who wasn't even playing last season because he is mentally ill. Every executive in this nation should know by now that mentally ill people often do things that are self-destructive without being able to foresee the consequences to themselves or others. This player needs to be on medications and have long-term therapy before he is able to better manage his self-destructive behaviors. In short, this level of punishment for a player who is mentally ill was self-serving, for show only, uncaring about a person who is ill and needs help, and either woefully ignorant or immoral. The punishment should be reconsidered and reduced by the NFL.[/quote]

I had forgotten about Ridley's mental health. Maybe they should indeed factor that in.

A full season seems harsh...
But I understand the [I]$ logic[/I] of it. I even think the partnerships with betting compagnies may have factored into the punishment's harshness. They are sending a message both to the players (+ all NFL employees), "don't do this", and to [I]their new business partners[/I], "we will do everything to protect the integrity of the game, [I]nobody will be scamming you[/I] in any way".

Not saying this is morally fair. But I don't expect a multi billions $ business to have moral standards.

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This suspension is a warning to others.

The punishment doesn't fit the crime. But the owners and Goodell don't give 2 shits about the players so 🤷.

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[quote=mredskins;1311893]That was a crazy punishment. He bet $1500 with a NFL salary that is like me doing my weekly $20 bets. He also bet on parlays, not like money lines and he wasn't even playing.

I could see if he was making prop bets on himself for like how many catches he gets in a game or something, then yeah it should be a full season. this is a one game ban at best for his actions, a full season cost him $11 million bucks.

All the while some how we are in over a year on Watson and no punishment no decisions etc....NFL is a joke in your town.[/quote]

Is it really crazy though? If they don't drop the hammer on him they're just inviting more trouble down the line and risking the integrity of the entire game. They have to send a message that players betting on the game, and betting on their own team, will draw zero tolerance.

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[quote=MTK;1311897]Is it really crazy though? If they don't drop the hammer on him they're just inviting more trouble down the line and risking the integrity of the entire game. They have to send a message that players betting on the game, and betting on their own team, will draw zero tolerance.[/quote]

Funny how fast they react to things that may effect their bottom line.

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[quote=mredskins;1311898]Funny how fast they react to things that may effect their bottom line.[/quote]

This shouldn't come as a surprise. They just can't have players, coaches, refs, basically anyone directly involved in the on field action that could possibly call into question the legitimacy of the outcomes of the games.

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[quote=MTK;1311899]This shouldn't come as a surprise. They just can't have players, coaches, refs, basically anyone directly involved in the on field action that could possibly call into question the legitimacy of the outcomes of the games.[/quote]

But feel free to ask woman to jerk you off and we will take over a year to figure out what should be done.

My point is they move fast when they want too or its something that directly effects them.

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[quote=mredskins;1311900]But feel free to ask woman to jerk you off and we will take over a year to figure out what should be done.

My point is they move fast when they want too or its something that directly effects them.[/quote]

I hear you. Blame the legal system for the holdup with Watson though.

Players betting on the game is a totally different animal and one where they have no choice but to drop severe punishments as a deterrent and for public perception. Does the message really get across if they suspended him for a couple of games?

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[quote=MTK;1311901]I hear you. Blame the legal system for the holdup with Watson though.

Players betting on the game is a totally different animal and one where they have no choice but to drop severe punishments as a deterrent and for public perception. Does the message really get across if they suspended him for a couple of games?[/quote]

There is not a sports fan or player that isn't aware of the Pete Rose situation...you just have to know you can't go there.

Re: 2022 Commanders off season thread part 1
 

rogers re-signed


[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33453495/qb-aaron-rodgers-returning-play-green-bay-packers[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1311929]rogers re-signed


[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33453495/qb-aaron-rodgers-returning-play-green-bay-packers[/url][/quote]

Carlos Rogers? :)

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33462824/source-arizona-cardinals-releasing-starting-lb-jordan-hicks[/url]


Yes please.
Sign this guy than get either a stud olineman or a stud wr with 11. Please.

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Looks like we are parting ways with Collins:

@RapSheet
Sources: The Washington #Commanders are expected to release star defender Landon Collins after the two sides did not agree on a restructured contract. Collins will now hit free agency to cash in again.

I like what he did as a hybrid player, I have a feeling he insists on being a true safety.

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He was ok but hurt alot

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312499]Looks like we are parting ways with Collins:

@RapSheet
Sources: The Washington #Commanders are expected to release star defender Landon Collins after the two sides did not agree on a restructured contract. Collins will now hit free agency to cash in again.

I like what he did as a hybrid player, I have a feeling he insists on being a true safety.[/quote]

No surprise here. Let him go play safety if that's what he wants. Good in the box player, can't cover very well.

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We need to grab Wagnor or Hicks now.

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Landon Collins just told me he's moving on from the Washington Commanders, per him.

"They asked me to take a pay cut. The first one was fine. Then they asked me to take another one. The money changed after they signed Carson Wentz. I'll just take my chances in free agency."

Josina Anderson

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Final total for Washington on Collins was about $44.7M for 3 years. Final numbers were 35 games, 239 tackles (153 solo), and 3 ints.

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[quote=mredskins;1312503]We need to grab Wagnor or Hicks now.[/quote]

Bobby Wagner could be Fletcher 2.0.

I'd go hard after him.

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[quote=MTK;1312511]Bobby Wagner could be Fletcher 2.0.

I'd go hard after him.[/quote]

If we can land QB and MLB before Free Agency AND draft, that takes the biggest needs off our board immediately and we can let everything else come to us. Wagner would be a home run here.

I would love to actually go best player available in the draft for once.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312507]Landon Collins just told me he's moving on from the Washington Commanders, per him.

"They asked me to take a pay cut. The first one was fine. Then they asked me to take another one. The money changed after they signed Carson Wentz. I'll just take my chances in free agency."

Josina Anderson[/quote]

I think he might be surprised on what the offers will be for his services as a safety.

For this team it's not a big loss, especially if they are able to get a stud MLB.

If I were a MLB, I think this would be a fantastic destination - playing behind that front 4.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312517]I think he might be surprised on what the offers will be for his services as a safety.

For this team it's not a big loss, especially if they are able to get a stud MLB.

If I were a MLB, I think this would be a fantastic destination - playing behind that front 4.[/quote]

Use his cap clearance to get Wagner, big Win.

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If we can sign Wagner that totally frees up #11 to be BPA or maybe better, a trade down opportunity. And never mind playing behind that front 4, he'd likely make it better!

Presuming Scherff is also gone, I quite like this, though I'd love it if Hamilton fell to us @ 11 (no trades, but I'd listen to every offer):

11. Garrett Wilson WR Ohio State
47. Zion Johnson OG Boston College
112. Mykael Wright CB Oregon
188. Grant Calcaterra TE SMU
228. Nasir Greer S Wake Forest

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The more i think about it I wonder if Frank Reich was more an enabler to Carson's supposed bad behavior; maybe Carson needs RR to be like look i am going help you but i am not putting up with your shit.

I think Carson used FR as his safety net so he ran his mouth a bit too much, lets see him in a world where he needs to prove himself and there is no FR safety net.

Its definitely sing or swim time for Commander Carson.

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[quote=mredskins;1312536]
Its definitely sing or swim time for Commander Carson.[/quote]

Carson week 1
[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/DPtj3FaOaENO0/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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ha, sink

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Does he fumble or throw more interceptions week 1?

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McLaurin is such a stud.

[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1502347874528550914/photo/1"]https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1502347874528550914/photo/1[/URL]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312638]McLaurin is such a stud.

[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1502347874528550914/photo/1"]https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1502347874528550914/photo/1[/URL][/quote]

Pretty amazing for a WR who isn't tall and big in NFL.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312638]McLaurin is such a stud.

[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1502347874528550914/photo/1"]https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1502347874528550914/photo/1[/URL][/quote]

This is to be expected when your QB throws floaters.
I'm excited to see what TM can do with a QB that can throw beyond 20 yards.

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[quote=jamf;1312645]This is to be expected when your QB throws floaters.
I'm excited to see what TM can do with a QB that can throw beyond 20 yards.[/quote]

He and Brown will love Wentz