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[QUOTE=mooby;1349102]Sam has plenty to like but the one thing he really needs to learn is an incomplete pass is much better than a sack.[/QUOTE]

Sounds pretty simple. Good QBs also learn when to eat it and not throw an int or take a grounding penalty, when to slide or move up in the pocket, and how to extend plays, including taking off and running. I get your point, and he is taking too many sacks. But if he turns into a QB who throws the ball away every time he doesn’t instantly see an open receiver, we’ll be punting on most drives.

Let’s give him some more time to speed up his game and learn how to take control of the offense using a whole range of moves at his disposal.

The sack-injury concern is overblown, I think. You can take just as bad or worse hits standing in the pocket and getting rid of the ball than in being chased down.


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Something that needs to be addressed in Sam’s criticism is he’s doing this with a terrible running game. He’s getting very little help with the 24th avg rushing per game.

We talk about a bottom half of league Oline, but we aren’t doing good enough on the ground.

Our RB and Oline are to blame…need better results and some accountability there

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Damn, a bunch of panty bunched dickheads up in this thread.

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/R5ZlNaaJkSEAAAAd/dying-laughing.gif[/IMG]

Sam will get hurt at the pace he is on, that's for sure. He does have a good body type for taking a pounding, but that dam will break eventually. Just hope he can manage to get through all 17 this year, and see how much progress he can make. I mean, for starting only 7 games, I would say that's his only definite weakness. I think you can get better at that, but he hasn't shown it yet. But he seems aware of it after the games, which is good. He always takes the blame, which I respect the fuck out of him for doing it.

Give him 11 more starts and a real GM that can fix our line, and I think our offense can look real nice in 2024.

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[quote=mredskins;1349104]Absolutely he could be or[B] he could be out of the league as well,[/B] nothing right now tells me he is going be amazing but i do feel he is serviceable as of right now, my opinion

I hope he becomes a HoF QB and we win some SBs, I am just saying as of RIGHT now i don't see it but i do believe he has the potential to be a serviceable QB1 for years to come.

Why would I go back and look at that? That be equal to saying "hey remember when we were broke now we have $10!" still doesn't cover our bills though but yeah we got $10 better then broke, that is SH at this point $10[/quote]

LMAO - cmon man - out of the fuckin league? Get it together and look at some of the backups and even starters in this league, next, please send me whatever you are smoking cuz you're high off your ass.

cmon man just stop. Half the shit you are posting on Sam is so premature it belongs in the damn NICU and the other half is just mis-directed frustration.

just let it go. He's the best and most promising qb we have had here in years so far and you're just shitting on him cuz you're used to us sucking. THAT part is fair... otherwise? you're off your rocker expectations on who he his or will be can take a hike.

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Question for MRedskin:

What’s your opinion of Brock Purdy?

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Side note since RG3 was brought up - he was also 3-3 ... of course he was exciting and we were all hype the guy just had done a 70 yd dash for a td against the vikings this time last year --- next week tho --- we dropped to 3-4 to guess who... the vagiants. Please dont let history repeat this coming week!

RG3 also had mike and kyle, a fantastic running scheme and some real threats at WR/TE imo ... he struggled with that offense and reading the NFL defenses, no secret.

You put this Qb, sam, on that team and the guy would prolly knock your socks off, too.

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Over the last 3 weeks Howell has 6 TDs 1 INT

Hes played well, the sacks are bad though. He's got to get rid of the ball

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[IMG]https://i.gifer.com/5LaU.gif[/IMG]

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None of you guys has hit the nail on the head about the problems of Sam Howell. You've danced around some of them but we have major problems on offense that have nothing to do with Sam that most of you are missing. Namely, you tend to primarily blame the guy who is taking all the hits rather than then the poor personnel executives and coaches that are setting him up for serious injury without doing a thing about it.

After 6 games Sam has taken 84 sacks (far more than any other QB in the league) and who knows how many hits. Instead of looking at how long Sam holds the ball as if that is the major issue that is causing him pain, look at how many times the rush was on him in an instant when he didn't have a snowball's chance of doing [U]anything[/U] other than taking a sack.

Friends, this is a health emergency for our young QB. At this rate, he's bound to be seriously hurt. It must be mitigated immediately in whatever way possible. We know Oblivious Ron won't do anything about it. Left to his own methods, Ron will just slump along to his usual 8-9 or so season and actually be shocked when he gets fired.

Our only hope is for EB to recognize the emergency and demand the authority to do whatever is necessary to fix the problem, including adding more pass protection and making needed personnel changes. John Bates is an excellent pass blocker. Use him to help out in-line or as an H-back to pick up blitzers.

EB also needs to fix the running game and use it more often to take some heat off of Sam. According to PFF grades, nobody on the OL can run block worth a damn. I can't make myself believe that. Tweak the damn scheme, EB. Trick somebody now and ten. Play your best run blockers because you have two starting lineman who can neither pass block nor run block, so you have nothing to lose in pass pro and the potential to run the ball will be better if you bench them.

Fix it now!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1349128]None of you guys has hit the nail on the head about the problems of Sam Howell. You've danced around some of them but we have major problems on offense that have nothing to do with Sam that most of you are missing. Namely, you tend to primarily blame the guy who is taking all the hits rather than then the fucked up personnel executives and coaches that are setting him up for serious injury without doing a thing about it.

After 6 games Sam has taken 84 sacks (far more than any other QB in the league) and who knows how many hits. Instead of looking at how long Sam holds the ball as if that is the major issue that is causing him pain, look at how many times the rush was on him in an instant when he didn't have a snowball's chance of doing [U]anything[/U] other than taking a sack.

Friends, this is a health emergency for our young QB. At this rate, he's bound to be seriously hurt. It must be mitigated immediately in whatever way possible. We know Oblivious Ron won't do anything about it. Left to his own methods, Ron will just slump along to his usual 8-9 or so season and actually be shocked when he gets fired.

Our only hope is for EB to recognize the emergency and demand the authority to do whatever is necessary to fix the problem, including adding more pass protection and making needed personnel changes. John Bates is an excellent pass blocker. Use him to help out in-line or as an H-back to pick up blitzers.

EB also needs to fix the running game and use it more often to take some heat off of Sam. According to PFF grades, nobody on the OL can run block worth a damn. I can't make myself believe that. Tweak the damn scheme, EB. Trick somebody now and ten. Play your best run blockers because you have two starting lineman who can neither pass block nor run block, so you have nothing to lose in pass pro and the potential to run the ball will be better if you bench them.

Fix it now![/quote]

EB has full authority over the offense. The running game was working early on in the season, and they've gone away from it. At this point the solution to this issue is for EB to have a better scheme that doesn't require passing 40-50 times a game.

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We passed this guy who was on the 4th round.

[url]https://x.com/jordan_reid/status/1714008659695481102?s=46&t=PLCFppIcPjVVwlav8ILf0Q[/url]

Also would like to see Rodriguez more involved for this particular reasons:

"Rodriguez is a powerful runner," wrote NFL.com's Lance Zierlein. "He has the size and the mentality to do the dirty work between the tackles...He's a physical blitz protector, so teams might envision a role for him as a second-half battering ram and third-down quarterback protector."

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Chico nailed it. Our running game, or lack there of, has a ton to do with it. So does our lack of a playmaking TE. Some of the run game is on EB, some is on the oline, some is on the D for us playing from behind and being forced to throw. When you add all that up and throw in the fact that Sam doesn’t throw it away sometimes when he has a chance after the pocket breaks down you get what we got here.
BUT he is 4-3 as a starter, has a fucking cannon, and is accurate, and has wheels. He is also tough as nails. Ill take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Please let’s just hold off on putting him in the HOF or on the streets (LOL) until our new owner has one damn off season to build around him and that includes a competent staff. The dude is a rookie.
#pumpthebrakes

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[quote=punch it in;1349132]Chico nailed it. Our running game, or lack there of, has a ton to do with it. So does our lack of a playmaking TE. Some of the run game is on EB, some is on the oline, some is on the D for us playing from behind and being forced to throw. When you add all that up and throw in the fact that Sam doesn’t throw it away sometimes when he has a chance after the pocket breaks down you get what we got here.
BUT he is 4-3 as a starter, has a fucking cannon, and is accurate, and has wheels. He is also tough as nails. Ill take that every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Please let’s just hold off on putting him in the HOF or on the streets (LOL) until our new owner has one damn off season to build around him and that includes a competent staff. The dude is a rookie.
#pumpthebrakes[/quote]

He is going to be on the Jiffy Lube Hall of Fame. He can change a car's oil better than he can take a sack.

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[url]https://youtu.be/f9EziztlmaA?si=ukrtYY4FXQy1AP3c[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349135]He is going to be on the Jiffy Lube Hall of Fame. He can change a car's oil better than he can take a sack.[/quote]

lol
He has all the tools except he can’t read defenses.
We are not seeing any splashes of great plays, Only standard nfl throws.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1349117]Question for MRedskin:

What’s your opinion of Brock Purdy?[/quote]

I will say this about Brock; Sam Howell is a better QB with a higher ceiling then Brock.

Brock has all the external tools that Sam needs to be a superstar.

Folks are bashing me for being a hatter, all I am doing is stating my opinion that at the moment in time when you weigh the good and bad of SH in my mind you have a serviceable QB1 (which is an upgrade from TH).

Now this doesn't mean over time SH couldn't become a great QB1, he certainly has shown flashes but he needs to work on his release time and progression and yes as we have all mentioned a better OL, running game and a stud TE would help those weaknesses but AGAIN the progression/release time has been a issue of Sam through out both his NFL and collegiate career.

AGAIN time will tell, i give him the entire season barring a injury to see what we have.

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Anyone who is sold right now on Sam being a stud or a dud is crazy. We still need to see a lot more.

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I have read the many complaints against Sam Howell. Many are justified. However, you should take into consideration that he has played in only 7 NFL games as a starter. There has only been one quarterback that I know of that didn't have issues their first year and he was the back-up for almost 5 years. Mahomes is probably the best quarterback now but even he had first year problems. Give Howell a break. He is learning and will make mistakes but in the long run, he will be better than those other has beens that Rivera brought in to "save" the team.

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[quote=jamf;1349161]lol
He has all the tools except he can’t read defenses.
We are not seeing any splashes of great plays, [B]Only standard nfl throws.[/B][/quote]

Definitely can't agree there, he's made some very high level throws.

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[quote=oldfan;1349165]I have read the many complaints against Sam Howell. Many are justified. However, you should take into consideration that he has played in only 7 NFL games as a starter. There has only been one quarterback that I know of that didn't have issues their first year and he was the back-up for almost 5 years. Mahomes is probably the best quarterback now but even he had first year problems. Give Howell a break. He is learning and will make mistakes but in the long run, he will be better than those other has beens that Rivera brought in to "save" the team.[/quote]

Bottom line, the kid is a winner. If people can’t see what we have in Howell despite the sacks, then they are blind.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1349163]Anyone who is sold right now on Sam being a stud or a dud is crazy. We still need to see a lot more.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. It’s just common sense after 7 games. But based on those 7 games id say he is at least closer to stud than dud. Most passing yards after 7 games in franchise history would point in that direction.

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[quote=MTK;1349167]Definitely can't agree there, he's made some very high level throws.[/quote]

I was trying not to take the bait on that one but he has definitely wowed at times with some of his throws.

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[quote=punch it in;1349169]Agreed. It’s just common sense after 7 games. But based on those 7 games id say he is at least closer to stud than dud. Most passing yards after 7 games in franchise history would point in that direction.[/quote]

He's trending in the right direction for sure. He's shown enough where we should feel good about him finishing out the season as the starter.

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EB stinks. We are six games in and teams that can't rush are getting sacks. He needs to make sure that while his QB is still a work in progress, keep calling plays that gets the ball out of his hands. Do your best to stay out of 3rd and long. Have a better play action game. Call some more screens. Be committed to the run. Protection should be FIRST, not getting 5 wr's out all the time. We're not that offense right now... I just don't think EB is doing enough.

I just think we need to hire Ben Johnson to be honest. When I see a QB like Goff, who was throw out like trash in LA, playing his best ball you have to take notice. Why is he playing so well? He's only been sacked 10 times. Sam 34.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1349172]EB stinks. We are six games in and teams that can't rush are getting sacks. He needs to make sure that while his QB is still a work in progress, keep calling plays that gets the ball out of his hands. Do your best to stay out of 3rd and long. Have a better play action game. Call some more screens. Be committed to the run. Protection should be FIRST, not getting 5 wr's out all the time. We're not that offense right now... I just don't think EB is doing enough.

I just think we need to hire Ben Johnson to be honest. When I see a QB like Goff, who was throw out like trash in LA, playing his best ball you have to take notice. Why is he playing so well? He's only been sacked 10 times. Sam 34.[/quote]

Playing Rodriguez more would help, he runs hard and gains yards, he’s also excellent at blitz protection

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Sam needs some help out there…run the ball more and anyone notice Cornelius Lucas was fucking good especially at pass protection the other day?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1349171]He's trending in the right direction for sure. He's shown enough where we should feel good about him finishing out the season as the starter.[/QUOTE]


No doubt. Will be an interesting situation if he finishes the season on the same trajectory( meaning he continues to flash and reduces the sacks … winds up like a top 10-15 quarterback), but we wind up with a top 5 pick and Maye or Williams is sitting there. Do we start again at quarterback or do we take a highly touted OT? I hope we don’t wind up in that position for obvious reasons but it would be quite the decision to make.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1349178]Sam needs some help out there…run the ball more and anyone notice Cornelius Lucas was fucking good especially at pass protection the other day?[/QUOTE]


He certainly was and people definitely noticed, but we probably won’t see him again because Ron gonna Ron.

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[quote=punch it in;1349181]No doubt. Will be an interesting situation if he finishes the season on the same trajectory( meaning he continues to flash and reduces the sacks … winds up like a top 10-15 quarterback), but we wind up with a top 5 pick and Maye or Williams is sitting there. Do we start again at quarterback or do we take a highly touted OT? I hope we don’t wind up in that position for obvious reasons but it would be quite the decision to make.[/quote]

Kind of hard to picture finishing with a top 5 pick especially if Sam continues to improve.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1349183]Kind of hard to picture finishing with a top 5 pick especially if Sam continues to improve.[/QUOTE]


It is but don’t underestimate our ability to find new and innovative ways to lose. Lol.

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[quote=Chico23231;1349178]Sam needs some help out there…run the ball more and anyone notice Cornelius Lucas was fucking good especially at pass protection the other day?[/quote]

Leno has been dealing with family issues and maybe has been distracted? I’ll give the benefit of the doubt. Lucas did an outstanding job covering for Leno.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1349193]Leno has been dealing with family issues and maybe has been distracted? I’ll give the benefit of the doubt. Lucas did an outstanding job covering for Leno.[/QUOTE]


All the good vibes and sympathy in the world to Leno but he was underperforming long before this issue.

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“Big-time arm talent, touch on the football, and the dude’s all balls”

- Mark Schlereth

Howell trying to get to work:

[IMG]https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Huge-Balls-South-Park.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349226]“Big-time arm talent, touch on the football, and the dude’s all balls”

- Mark Schlereth

Howell trying to get to work:

[IMG]https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Huge-Balls-South-Park.gif[/IMG][/quote]

You must be referring to this

[url]https://www.audacy.com/thefandc/sports/washington-commanders/mark-schlereth-hammers-analytics-math-never-made-a-tackle?utm_campaign=www.audacy.com%252Fthefandc&utm_content=1697673832&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=WJFK-FM&fbclid=IwAR04-L32YdBtjWXb9wPMVR1VYd-GgLLaepBjeoUizzua13d9vZnsLKv6oas_aem_Ae7xMHjILlKLtDue1FyC-DgLSU0WBA0y1Gfy7SFnRmQupjGdag_C8KlxhQmjsnvB-fM&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#lnxa0yxlszt206z96j[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349226]“Big-time arm talent, touch on the football, and the dude’s all balls”

- Mark Schlereth

Howell trying to get to work:

[IMG]https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Huge-Balls-South-Park.gif[/IMG][/quote]

He sounds just like the greatest QB of all time, Jeff George!

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[QUOTE=jamf;1349237]He sounds just like the greatest QB of all time, Jeff George![/QUOTE]


Howell wasn’t drafted number one overall, and isn’t an absolute headcase. Sam has way better accuracy, and is mobile.

Of course after 7 games it is impossible to compare him to anyone.

I am thoroughly convinced you were at a strip club, had a sweet piece of ass all lined up and as you were walking over to ask for a lap dance Sam walked in and that sweet piece of ass along with every other stripper in the joint flocked to him. He than turned to you and tossed you his keys because he thought you were the valet. Your night was ruined, you were humiliated, and you had to go down the street to the other club where the girls look like they should pay you.

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[quote=punch it in;1349239]Howell wasn’t drafted number one overall, and isn’t an absolute headcase. Sam has way better accuracy, and is mobile.

Of course after 7 games it is impossible to compare him to anyone.

I am thoroughly convinced you were at a strip club, had a sweet piece of ass all lined up and as you were walking over to ask for a lap dance Sam walked in and that sweet piece of ass along with every other stripper in the joint flocked to him. He than turned to you and tossed you his keys because he thought you were the valet. Your night was ruined, you were humiliated, and you had to go down the street to the other club where the girls look like they should pay you.[/quote]

LMAO!

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[quote=punch it in;1349239]Howell wasn’t drafted number one overall, and isn’t an absolute headcase. Sam has way better accuracy, and is mobile.

Of course after 7 games it is impossible to compare him to anyone.

I am thoroughly convinced you were at a strip club, had a sweet piece of ass all lined up and as you were walking over to ask for a lap dance Sam walked in and that sweet piece of ass along with every other stripper in the joint flocked to him. He than turned to you and tossed you his keys because he thought you were the valet. Your night was ruined, you were humiliated, and you had to go down the street to the other club where the girls look like they should pay you.[/quote]

Omg lol

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[quote=punch it in;1349239]Howell wasn’t drafted number one overall, and isn’t an absolute headcase. Sam has way better accuracy, and is mobile.

Of course after 7 games it is impossible to compare him to anyone.

I am thoroughly convinced you were at a strip club, had a sweet piece of ass all lined up and as you were walking over to ask for a lap dance Sam walked in and that sweet piece of ass along with every other stripper in the joint flocked to him. [B]He than turned to you and tossed you his keys because he thought you were the valet.[/B] Your night was ruined, you were humiliated, and you had to go down the street to the other club where the girls look like they should pay you.[/quote]

[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/2al4qq.gif[/IMG]

Sam also said: Jamf, hey, and before you park it, go get my oil changed.

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I’m keeping receipts! I’m calling each and everyone of you from Jiffy Lube!