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[quote=Buster;580895]It if were any other team, they would have used some common sense and the 60-yard long ego display would have never been installed...like the Colts just did.[/quote]

Thank you. Spot on.

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[quote=Buster;580881]I'm waiting for the do-over after a great punt with hangtime late in the 4th quarter of a close game hits Jerry's Used Car Sale Commercial playing on the screen...[B]then the do-over is BLOCKED[/B]!

Will be sweeter if the Cowboys are the victims. :D[/quote]

That is what I want to see.

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Does New England play the Cowpukes at Dallas? Maybe Darth Hoody will complain about this and Goodell will have JJ take this down.

Re: Problem w/ Cowboys giant screen.
 

[quote=Buster;580881]I'm waiting for the do-over after a great punt with hangtime late in the 4th quarter of a close game hits Jerry's Used Car Sale Commercial playing on the screen...then the do-over is BLOCKED!

Will be sweeter if the Cowboys are the victims. :D[/quote]

What about do-overs for the gunners?

F-that, I'd be pissed...I'd imagine that would affect the next punt return outcome too if the gunners are getting worn down running all the way down the field for just a "do-over"

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Did I misread the rule or does the playclock stay where it was when the snap occurred? What then happens if you're trying to run down the clock before a punt, snap it at 2 -- then the punt hits the screen? You have 2 seconds to get the snap off once the ball is reset? I don't like that part of it.

I also feel this is blown out of proportion. Jerry didn't really get his way, but the NFL realized "Oh shit, this is our fault. We'll have to pay to move this behemoth." If this becomes a consistent problem, something will have to give, but Im willing to bet these rules stay in place. I don't like the play clock one. At least add 5 seconds to the clock so that they have time to get a snap off.

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[quote=Daseal;580907]Did I misread the rule or does the playclock stay where it was when the snap occurred? What then happens if you're trying to run down the clock before a punt, snap it at 2 -- then the punt hits the screen? You have 2 seconds to get the snap off once the ball is reset? I don't like that part of it.

I also feel this is blown out of proportion. Jerry didn't really get his way, but the NFL realized "Oh shit, this is our fault. We'll have to pay to move this behemoth." If this becomes a consistent problem, something will have to give, but Im willing to bet these rules stay in place. I don't like the play clock one. At least add 5 seconds to the clock so that they have time to get a snap off.[/quote]

I do not think it's the league's fault, even if the regulations say 85 feet.

If you're building something, you need to make sure it is done properly. Building regulations are often set low in any type of construction, they're a minimum recommendation.

If every builder followed every regulation exactly with no variance from the codes set up by people who really aren't qualified to do so...a lot of buildings would be useless, unfit to serve their purpose and so on.

He spent $1.2 BILLION and could not make sure the largest component being installed in the stadium is being done properly? He couldn't (out of arrogance) consult someone who just completed a new stadium and found a flaw with the league regulation...then worked around it successfully?

I don't care if the league regulation says 25 feet or 2 miles...it's the builder's (or in this case, the man with the checkbook) responsibility that the facilities meet their intended needs for use...a punt-blocking TV screen does not.

I'd be ripping Snyder too if he did something this idiotic than acted like a pompous ass afterwards...luckily, our owner actually learns from experience and doesn't interfere with his team the way Jones or Al Davis does.

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[quote=Buster;580910]I do not think it's the league's fault, even if the regulations say 85 feet.

If you're building something, you need to make sure it is done properly. Building regulations are often set low in any type of construction, they're a minimum recommendation.

If every builder followed every regulation exactly with no variance from the codes set up by people who really aren't qualified to do so...a lot of buildings would be useless, unfit to serve their purpose and so on.

He spent $1.2 BILLION and could not make sure the largest component being installed in the stadium is being done properly? He couldn't (out of arrogance) consult someone who just completed a new stadium and found a flaw with the league regulation...then worked around it successfully?

I don't care if the league regulation says 25 feet or 2 miles...it's the builder's (or in this case, the man with the checkbook) responsibility that the facilities meet their intended needs for use...a punt-blocking TV screen does not.

I'd be ripping Snyder too if he did something this idiotic than acted like a pompous ass afterwards...luckily, our owner actually learns from experience and doesn't interfere with his team the way Jones or Al Davis does.[/quote]

It was installed properly and the installation exceeded the minimum requirement. I'm not sure the burden is on Jerry to run down every new stadium owner and ask what issues they have had. If the burden lies anywhere it would be with the architect or the NFL.

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Buster, lets say you're building a house. In your neighborhood no house can be above 60 feet (I really have no clue how tall houses are...). Your house comes in at 58 feet, and they tell you no -- it must be lower. Are you going to suck it up and say fine, then pocket the cost of getting your house down to 55 feet? I'm guessing not. Rules and regulations are in place and you guy by them.

Fact is, he followed all NFL regulations and I don't forsee this being a big issue. The league also has to approve the stadium and its specifics, do they not? However you swing it, the league is absolutely responsible for the scoreboard being too low. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Cowboys as much as everyone else here. But I truly believe Jerry tried his best to make this stadium as nice as possible for his fans. A big HD jumbotron is part of that package.

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[quote=irish;580914]It was installed properly and the installation exceeded the minimum requirement. I'm not sure the burden is on Jerry to run down every new stadium owner and ask what issues they have had. If the burden lies anywhere it would be with the architect or the NFL.[/quote]

You don't believe Jerry would allow architects, installers, or ANYONE else actually make any decisions and changes to his monument, do you?

It's his project, it's his responsibility to make sure it is right...no matter what the regulations SUGGEST. The regulation authors never envisioned a screen that was 60 yards long and large enough to block the view of the top half of the stadium. He was putting something of that magnitude in for the first time, you'd think he would make sure it would actually work for playing a football game under it and fit in the space.

Unfortunately, his pocketbook and ego are both larger than his brain.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;580884]Again I say, that after seeing the Campbell and the Redskins starting offense in the first 2 preseason games, I can certainly understand your concerns over punting.[/quote]

This doesn't have anything to do with the Redskins. We kicked your ass at home last year and I expect we'll do it again. This is all about having a stadium that could affect the outcome and/or pace of a game.

Re: Problem w/ Cowboys giant screen.
 

[quote=irish;580914]It was installed properly and the installation exceeded the minimum requirement. I'm not sure the burden is on Jerry to run down every new stadium owner and ask what issues they have had. If the burden lies anywhere it would be with the architect or the NFL.[/quote]

Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because

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[quote=Daseal;580917]Buster, lets say you're building a house. In your neighborhood no house can be above 60 feet (I really have no clue how tall houses are...). Your house comes in at 58 feet, and they tell you no -- it must be lower. Are you going to suck it up and say fine, then pocket the cost of getting your house down to 55 feet? I'm guessing not. Rules and regulations are in place and you guy by them.

Fact is, he followed all NFL regulations and I don't forsee this being a big issue. The league also has to approve the stadium and its specifics, do they not? However you swing it, the league is absolutely responsible for the scoreboard being too low. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Cowboys as much as everyone else here. But I truly believe Jerry tried his best to make this stadium as nice as possible for his fans. A big HD jumbotron is part of that package.[/quote]

Your analogy is backwards...a parallel one would be a city building code that says ceilings must be 7 feet high at a minimum and doorways must be 6.5 feet high. You're 6'7" and you STILL follow that regulation and put in 7-foot ceilings in your house...then are surprised when you're constantly cracking your skull and can't raise your arms up.

When dealing with regulations, you have to make sure the people and contents of the building can comfortably and safely inhabit it. This is where Jerry failed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;580920]Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because[/quote]

If it happened to us, I'd still question why Danny didn't test it out. Luckily our owner has some common sense...as strange as that may sound to some people.

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[quote=Buster;580918]You don't believe Jerry would allow architects, installers, or ANYONE else actually make any decisions and changes to his monument, do you?

It's his project, it's his responsibility to make sure it is right...no matter what the regulations SUGGEST. The regulation authors never envisioned a screen that was 60 yards long and large enough to block the view of the top half of the stadium. He was putting something of that magnitude in for the first time, you'd think he would make sure it would actually work for playing a football game under it and fit in the space.

Unfortunately, his pocketbook and ego are both larger than his brain.[/quote]

Regulations dont "suggest", suggestions do. Regulations are rules and rules have to be followed. Jerry followed the rules.

Re: Problem w/ Cowboys giant screen.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;580920]Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because[/quote]

Could be. Or it could be his denying anything is wrong with it and his statement that punters are hitting it purposely like that's the only way it could happen. Plus his absolute refusal to correct it.