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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1094706]Rivers is on his 3rd OC in 3 years. It's not that uncommon.



And, I don't recall the OL looking so awful when Colt (even Kirk) were playing QB.[/QUOTE]


Yeah but this was the Bucs. Lee Roy Selmon and Warren Sapp were in full on beast mode. Griff never had a chance man.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094706]Rivers is on his 3rd OC in 3 years. It's not that uncommon.

And, I don't recall the OL looking so awful when Colt (even Kirk) were playing QB.[/quote]

You quoted the guy that agreed with you but since the response was intended for me.

As for Philip Rivers. Did they bring in 3 different systems? Slight changes in what you do is one thing, an entirely new system is quite different. Since I dont follow them, I have no clue as to that answer. Even so, I would expect a vet QB to handle changes better than a young one.

The OL was bad in the Houston game and RG3 threw short passes. He was criticized for short passes. Colt does the same thing, short passes. But he is also not trying to learn the WCO on the fly and is better at his timing in this offense, I have never said otherwise. Kirk just took a three step drop and threw it, who cares who it was to. Not exactly a great standard to judge an OL. Although if you remember the Giants game, remember those hits Cousins took. Remember it was shortly after those hits that the just drop and throw regardless of who it went to started happening. I would say the OL had a pretty big impact on KC. He went from running the offense efficiently to hurrying everything as fast as possible regardless of the outcome.

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[quote=Skinzman;1094713]You quoted the guy that agreed with you but since the response was intended for me.

As for Philip Rivers. Did they bring in 3 different systems? Slight changes in what you do is one thing, an entirely new system is quite different. Since I dont follow them, I have no clue as to that answer. Even so, I would expect a vet QB to handle changes better than a young one.

The OL was bad in the Houston game and RG3 threw short passes. He was criticized for short passes. Colt does the same thing, short passes. But he is also not trying to learn the WCO on the fly and is better at his timing in this offense, I have never said otherwise. Kirk just took a three step drop and threw it, who cares who it was to. Not exactly a great standard to judge an OL. Although if you remember the Giants game, remember those hits Cousins took. Remember it was shortly after those hits that the just drop and throw regardless of who it went to started happening. I would say the OL had a pretty big impact on KC. He went from running the offense efficiently to hurrying everything as fast as possible regardless of the outcome.[/quote]

The changes aren't radical from Kyle to McVay either

I'm not saying the OL's been great. But I'm pretty tired of the blame always been shifted to them.

For fuck's sake, Robert your the anointed (even self-anointed) franchise QB of one of the most storied organizations in pro sports history, the team mortgaged a huge chunk of its future for you? Is that your fault? No, but so what. Life is not fair. Get the fuck over yourself and man up. And if you can't, if the problem is that after all the effort and hard work you're putting you're still not grasping it then it's time to move the fuck on. Fucking A

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/11/18/ex-redskins-applaud-jay-grudens-blunt-talk/]Ex-Redskins applaud Jay Gruden’s blunt talk - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094716]The changes aren't radical from Kyle to McVay either

I'm not saying the OL's been great. But I'm pretty tired of the blame always been shifted to them.

For fuck's sake, Robert your the anointed (even self-anointed) franchise QB of one of the most storied organizations in pro sports history, the team mortgaged a huge chunk of its future for you? Is that your fault? No, but so what. Life is not fair. Get the fuck over yourself and man up. And if you can't, if the problem is that after all the effort and hard work you're putting you're still not grasping it then it's time to move the fuck on. Fucking A....

that was intended for you Skinz ;)[/quote]

And thats part of the problem. We never want to fix a problem. Its always just say fuck it and move on. To me, thats a HUGE problem. There are clear problems to be solved, but as long as we can hire 10 coaches in 10 years, that is deemed a solution for some reason. Its not a solution at all, its a problem.

Its one of the main reasons we are no longer the Raiders of the East, but are making the Raiders the Redskins of the West.

Edit... Hehe - I got the intended for me in my quote before you got it edited. And no, thats not a shot at you, I just found it funny.

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[quote=Skinzman;1094728]And thats part of the problem. We never want to fix a problem. Its always just say fuck it and move on. To me, thats a HUGE problem. There are clear problems to be solved, but as long as we can hire 10 coaches in 10 years, that is deemed a solution for some reason. Its not a solution at all, its a problem.

Its one of the main reasons we are no longer the Raiders of the East, but are making the Raiders the Redskins of the West.[/quote]

You can't remove Snyder... I think he is the biggest problem.

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[quote=donofriose;1094729]You can't remove Snyder... I think he is the biggest problem.[/quote]

I honestly cant say I disagree with you.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1094726][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/11/18/ex-redskins-applaud-jay-grudens-blunt-talk/]Ex-Redskins applaud Jay Gruden’s blunt talk - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

The question is why Gruden can't get this kind of commitment, effort and focus from his players?

It's too easy and inaccurate to just say no coach has done that under Snyder's ownership. Gibbs did, Williams did, hell even Greg Blache did out of his players.

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Because he's a mediocre coach

Being able to talk bluntly =/= Good Coach

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2015 draft - S, OL, OL,, OL, LB, CB, S,DL. - Free agency - S, OL, LB, CB, QB
RAK - no resigned unless with reasonable contract
HAZ - gone - BACK to 4-3 (easier to draft DT than NT)
Allen will not be gone - higher assistant GM in charge of personal, More and better scouting department
position changes - Kerrigan - DE, Rak (if reasigned) DE, Robinson OLB
cut - chester, polumbus, louava (sp) Clark, Porter, and older players with high cap.

Unfortunatly no way Snyder sells the team or I'd say cut him too....

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094706]Rivers is on his 3rd OC in 3 years. It's not that uncommon.

And, I don't recall the OL looking so awful when Colt (even Kirk) were playing QB.[/quote]


Rivers went through a long time period where he was developed. Rivers was considered a bust at one point, but the Chargers stuck with him. Rivers in his 3rd year was not a franchise QB. Is it fair to compare a 3rd year QB to a 10 year vet?

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1094751]Rivers went through a long time period where he was developed. Rivers was considered a bust at one point, but the Chargers stuck with him. Rivers in his 3rd year was not a franchise QB. Is it fair to compare a 3rd year QB to a 10 year vet?[/QUOTE]


Rivers played behind drew brees for two years and was a pro bowler in his first or second year starting. Never really looked back.

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I like everyone else wish for Dan Snyder to sell the team. But that's never gonna have a chance of happening unless fans can get in his pocket by not buying merchandise, not coming to games, not buying his expired beer, etc... Lots of people talk a big talk but if we as fans all banded together and said "no more", changes could happen.

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[quote=punch it in;1094754]Rivers played behind drew brees for two years and was a pro bowler in his first or second year starting. Never really looked back.[/quote]

He had a couple red shirt years. That seems to be a common theme (i.e. discount double check)

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094716]The changes aren't radical from Kyle to McVay either

I'm not saying the OL's been great. But I'm pretty tired of the blame always been shifted to them.

For fuck's sake, Robert your the anointed (even self-anointed) franchise QB of one of the most storied organizations in pro sports history, the team mortgaged a huge chunk of its future for you? Is that your fault? No, but so what. Life is not fair. Get the fuck over yourself and man up. And if you can't, if the problem is that after all the effort and hard work you're putting you're still not grasping it then it's time to move the fuck on. Fucking A[/quote]

Love Robert.....really hope he can grasp the situation and rise to the occasion for many reasons. BUT...time will tell. And if it's"move on time", then so be it