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[quote=Mattyk;1111318]Maybe he was just making an honest observation??

I don't know why everything has to have a hidden meaning.[/quote]

Dude -- [I]everything[/I] has a hidden meaning. Why, even my message about hidden meanings has a hidden meaning!

[COLOR="White"]... and here it is![/COLOR]

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[quote=Schneed10;1111321]He irritates the shit out of me with his senseless inspirational whostruckjohn. But he's a Washington Redskin, so hell yeah I'm pulling for him.[/quote]

I think alot of it is because he is insecure.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1111096]For RGIII, he has to transition from an entirely different way of playing the game and adapt his considerable talent to a style of play he has not only never mastered but has never really learned. [I]IF[/I] he can dedicate himself to learning to be different from the QB he has always been, accept his NFL coaches coaching and finally put behind him all the "He's fine, his mechanics are good" enabling he gets from Tedford and Bryles, then [I]maybe[/I], maybe he gets his deep ball mojo back and his low turnover/sack ratio that he had back in college (look at his TD/INT ratio in college - it was insane. Yes, I know, it was a spread offense and, for the spread offense, QB's usually have very good TD/INT ratios). It is all on him - as others have said - to dedicate himself to the film room, listen to the coaches, and accept that he has to walk through an NFL offense before he run it. ---- If he can do all that, his ceiling - even in year four (the guy [I]just[/I] turned 25 in February!) - is simply much, much higher than Kirk's.

For KC, he has to figure out how to stop throwing picks. He needs to change something in how he views the field, works his progressions, or makes his decisions. My problem is that, unlike RGIII's flaws, I just don't know that there is anything that coaching can do to change KC's basic inability to consistently avoid picks. Sure, Gruden dumbed down the offense for KC but KC's constant turnovers completely stymied Gruden:

[url=http://fansided.com/2014/10/16/jay-gruden-doesnt-know-kirk-cousins-throws-interceptions/]Jay Gruden Can't Explain Kirk Cousins' Interceptions[/url]

So, on one hand you have a QB currently incapable of running a pro offense and who has clearly identifiable flaws that may be fixable with solid coaching and a player dedicated to change - a trait the player has not readily demonstrated.

On the other, you have a QB who has a higher floor but is also deeply flawed. Further, it's not even clear that there is a path to fixing his flaws because he has been making the same mistakes throughout his collegiate and professional career and there is no clear, identifiable teaching/coaching point to correct them.

Quite frankly, as much as I truly hope Griffin can get it together and The Guy - I just don't know if he ever will be able to do so. As for KC, I just don't see him ever losing his knack for throwing untimely interceptions - it's just part of who he is.[/QUOTE]

If our new look defense can make an impact in games and we continue to have success in the running game, a lot will be taken off the shoulders of our young QBs. I don't know if this will be enough to help RG3 or Cousins, but even if we're looking ahead to 2016, we need to have a better overall team if we are to draft a QB then.

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RGIII is still on our team. I will actively root for him to get better until he is gone or we have a better option. I don't get the hate. If RG gets better our win total goes up pretty simple math.

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If Robert could take a moment away from thinking about how he would run the team and just concern himself with learning to do his own damn job, then he and the Redskins might get somewhere. Robert has already been told this by Jay Gruden, yet he still can't seem to understand that his attempts to be a team leader are futile unless he can learn to play his own position well enough for the Skins to win.

He seems to have this oblivious, self-aggrandizing attitude that he is leading his team when, in reality, he is hanging on to his job by a slender thread. I doubt that he can change his mindset while he's still here because his view of his role with the Redskins and his behavior patterns here have been well-established and reinforced. He may need to be slapped in the face by the reality of being permanently benched and then traded before he realizes the need to drop the bullshit and focus exclusively on improving his skills as a QB.

In short, performance talks and bullshit walks.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1111328]If Robert could take a moment away from thinking about how he would run the team and just concern himself with learning to do his own damn job, then he and the Redskins might get somewhere. Robert has already been told this by Jay Gruden, yet he still can't seem to understand that his attempts to be a team leader are futile unless he can learn to play his own position well enough for the Skins to win.

He seems to have this oblivious, self-aggrandizing attitude that he is leading his team when, in reality, he is hanging on to his job by a slender thread. I doubt that he can change his mindset while he's still here because his view of his role with the Redskins and his behavior patterns here have been well-established and reinforced. He may need to be slapped in the face by the reality of being permanently benched and then traded before he realizes the need to drop the bullshit and focus exclusively on improving his skills as a QB.

In short, performance talks and bullshit walks.[/quote]

And you know this because you are with him every day at Redskins park not just dissecting his random interviews.

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[quote=mredskins;1111329]And you know this because you are with him every day at Redskins park not just dissecting his random interviews.[/quote]


Whether or not I'm right about him, we're all going to find out if he can play QB for Jay Gruden's team soon enough. The time for talk is past. He must prove it on the field this year or he'll be gone. You can believe me on that much, at least.

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Of course he needs to prove it on the field, until then all we have is talk, to talk about.

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[quote=mredskins;1111327]RGIII is still on our team. I will actively root for him to get better until he is gone or we have a better option. I don't get the hate. If RG gets better our win total goes up pretty simple math.[/quote]

Yep. I'm like many who are pessimistic on his chances with the Skins. But he's a Redskin and so I'm pulling for him like everyone else.

It needs to be said around here from time to time, you can have a conflict between your head and your heart. What you want to happen and what you think will happen can be two completely different things that can coexist.

He's our guy until he's not.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1111330]Whether or not I'm right about him, we're all going to find out if he can play QB for Jay Gruden's team soon enough. The time for talk is past. He must prove it on the field this year or he'll be gone. You can believe me on that much, at least.[/quote]
I think Jay's seat is just as hot as Robert's to be honest. McLovn is icthing to bring in his own coaching staff.

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[quote=mredskins;1111333]I think Jay's seat is just as hot as Robert's to be honest. McLovn is icthing to bring in his own coaching staff.[/quote]

Did you just try to read SM's mind? That seems like something I might do.

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[quote=mredskins;1111327]RGIII is still on our team. I will actively root for him to get better until he is gone or we have a better option. I don't get the hate. If RG gets better our win total goes up pretty simple math.[/quote]

Agree, I really think a lot of people miss VC. We will never get better until we have a plan, we finally have a plan.

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[quote=mredskins;1111327]RGIII is still on our team. I will actively root for him to get better until he is gone or we have a better option. I don't get the hate. If RG gets better our win total goes up pretty simple math.[/quote]Flying under the radar is the addition of Matt Cavanaugh as QB coach and (to a lesser extent but still important to the overall offense) Bill Callahan. I don't think people realize how great of a competitive disadvantage the team faced because of the holes in the coaching staff.

I think [I][B]all[/B][/I] the QBs are gonna benefit from the changes to the staff and Griff especially because he had the most to learn about playing in timing rhythm passing game.

I hang my hat on those coaches changes in addition to Scott building a better team as reason the QB play, passing game, offense and team will be better this year.

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I haven't seen or heard this scenario anywhere, but what if we trade Griffin to Cleveland and move back in the draft? I don't hate griffin...so this isn't some sort of wishful thinking. Just a scenario that popped in my head a minute ago. griffin for a first and a second rounder? Instead of them trading up to get mariota they get griffin and we get picks.

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