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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536269]I actually think you gave a very clear explaination of the point. You did pique my curiosity though: Do you think McIntosh is a starting-caliber LB?[/quote]In ideal conditions, yes. Put talent in front of him and when healthy, he's a league average linebacker. He actually fits our system pretty well. Problem is, if his knees aren't 100%, he usually can't recover from the mis-steps he's prone to taking, and get back into position.

Therefore, while the answer to your question is 'yes' I would not re-sign him unless he makes noticible improvement this year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;536273]In ideal conditions, yes. Put talent in front of him and when healthy, he's a league average linebacker. He actually fits our system pretty well. [B]Problem is, if his knees aren't 100%, he usually can't recover from the mis-steps he's prone to taking, and get back into position[/B].

Therefore, while the answer to your question is 'yes' I would not re-sign him unless he makes noticible improvement this year.[/quote]

That's his main problem: bad knees. We should've drafted Thomas Howard instead. That kid is a beast!

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So, salary cap gurus (since I'm not anywhere close to a guru nor do I pretend to be), what does this potentially mean for the Skins? Are we aware of this loophole? Could we use it to our benefit this year with any of our current players?

[B][URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/21/completion-bonus-gives-cap-flexibility-in-2009-possible-security-in-2010/"]“COMPLETION BONUS” GIVES CAP FLEXIBILITY IN 2009, POSSIBLE SECURITY IN 2010[/URL][/B]

Posted by Mike Florio on March 21, 2009, 11:01 p.m.


With the intricacies of the last capped year restricting the devices that teams have used in the past to stay on the right side of the per-team spending limit, the New Orleans Saints have developed an innovative way to push money into future years without running afoul of the special accounting rules that apply as the [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]NFL[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL] transitions to a season without a salary cap in 2010.
But, frankly, we think there’s a deeper motivation at play.
According to Mike Triplett of the [I]New Orleans Times-Picayune[/I], the Saints are [URL="http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/03/uncapped_year_forcing_new_orle.html"]using “completion bonuses” in 2010[/URL] as a tool for giving guaranteed money to players without driving up the 2009 cap numbers arising from their contracts.
Per Triplett, the Saints used a completion bonus in contracts paid to linebacker Jonathan Vilma, tackle Jon Stinchcomb, and cornerback Jabari Greer.
The device provides guaranteed money upon the “completion” of the 2010 season, if the players don’t skip or otherwise miss any mandatory team activities during the 2010 season.
One league source believes that the real aim of the completion bonus is to protect teams against holdouts or other player misbehavior. If the motivation was cap compliance, teams would still be able to use option bonuses with a non-exercise fee in the form of guaranteed base salaries.
The only difference is that a 2010 option bonus would most likely require option bonuses in future years, due to the rule prohibiting an increase in base salary of more than 30 percent in an uncapped year.
But, frankly, it’s an easy thing to do.
A league source tells us that the possible application of the [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]Ashley Lelie[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL] grievance was discussed during one or more of the negotiations resulting in the use of completion bonuses by the Saints. Though a player’s entitlement to a completion bonus would likely be subject to the grievance process if, for example, he is suspended for violating the substance abuse policy and then gets stiffed out of the bonus, it seems fairly clear to us that the Saints believe that they’ve found a way to ensure that money isn’t “earned” until the player completes the season in which the completion bonus is to be paid.

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btw, (tangent) i do believe that those option bonuses (like the 20+mill one haynesworth has) are truly guaranteed... if he starts up a dog fighting ring and smoking crack, the skins can't go back and try to recoup any of that money (whereas the non-option vick money was sued for by the falcons after his indiscretions came to light).

as far as what this means for us... almost nothing, since i don't think that's standard practice in skinsland. It's an interesting concept, but i don't know why it wouldn't be considered as a likely-to-be-earned/not-likely-to-be-earned bonus, since that's essentially what it is.

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Could the Redskins rework some of the current contracts, pushing the money to the uncapped year if the contract isn't extended? What if they added a year to say Clinton Portis' contract with a relatively low salary with him having a void option?

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[quote=MrJL;539015]Could the Redskins rework some of the current contracts, pushing the money to the uncapped year if the contract isn't extended? What if they added a year to say Clinton Portis' contract with a relatively low salary with him having a void option?[/quote]Money can only be prorated through, I believe 2012. So any player whose contract already extends past that date can't get any money pushed into future years, at least via extension.

There's pretty much no place left to go to free up cap space. There's Rabach, and there's Thrash. Either could be released (or extended, in theory) to lower their 2009 cap number. Santana I believe is another option, but the team seems to be specifically avoiding guarenteeing any more money to him. Simply put, if Kelly or Thomas breaks out as a top target this year, Moss is gone at seasons end.

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[quote=GTripp0012;539074]Money can only be prorated through, I believe 2012. So any player whose contract already extends past that date can't get any money pushed into future years, at least via extension.

There's pretty much no place left to go to free up cap space. There's Rabach, and there's Thrash. Either could be released (or extended, in theory) to lower their 2009 cap number. Santana I believe is another option, but the team seems to be specifically avoiding guarenteeing any more money to him. Simply put, if Kelly or Thomas breaks out as a top target this year, Moss is gone at seasons end.[/quote]

why release Moss? 2010 is uncapped. The point would be to free money for this year. Rogers is due to be a RFA next year, right? Couldn't we extend him if he'd lower this year's salary?

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[quote=MrJL;539078]why release Moss? 2010 is uncapped. The point would be to free money for this year. Rogers is due to be a RFA next year, right? Couldn't we extend him if he'd lower this year's salary?[/quote]Rogers simply isn't making enough to save money when extending him.

If he got a Hall-type deal, it would raise his 2009 cap number by 1.0-1.5 million.

Cutting Moss would be more of a football decision, based on what he is/isn't needed for. He'll be here until a better option comes along. He won't be here as long as Randle El will be.

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Here are the pre-draft salary cap figures:

Amazing that the Eagles went deeper in the postseason than any NFC East team, yet they lead the league with $35M in pre-draft cap space. Meanwhile there are only 6 teams with less space than the Skins.
[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]
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[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]Arizona Cardinals[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL]: $1.29 million.
[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]Atlanta Falcons[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL]: $23.67 million.
[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]Baltimore Ravens[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL]: $968,000.
[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]Buffalo Bills[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL]: $11.82 million.
Carolina Panthers: $2.69 million.
Chicago Bears: $20.96 million.
Cincinnati Bengals: $16.26 million.
Cleveland Browns: $20.27 million.
Dallas Cowboys: $10.35 million.
Denver Broncos: $16.3 million.
Detroit Lions: $10.72 million.
[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]Green Bay Packers[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL]: $27.89 million.
Houston Texans: $10.75 million.
Indianapolis Colts: $7.10 million.
Jacksonville Jaguars: $16.94 million.
[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/salary-cap-space-as-of-april-22/#"]Kansas City Chiefs[IMG]http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif[/IMG][/URL]: $32.3 million.
Miami Dolphins: $13.19 million.
Minnesota Vikings: $17.32 million.
New England Patriots: $4.67 million.
New Orleans Saints: $4.29 million.
New York Giants: $4.37 million.
New York Jets: $12.62 million.
Oakland Raiders: $9.33 million.
Philadelphia Eagles: $37.44 million.
Pittsburgh Steelers: $440,000.
San Diego Chargers: $8.56 million.
San Francisco 49ers: $26.11 million.
Seattle Seahawks: $7.41 million.
St. Louis Rams: $10.67 million.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $35.54 million.
Tennessee Titans: $13.05 million.
Washington Redskins: $5.96 million.

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[quote=GTripp0012;535829]The reason the Will is a more difficult position than either the Mike or the Sam, at least as I understand NFL defenses, is that [B]the Will is many times more likely to find himself caught in space against a receiver.

Since the Sam always goes to the tight end side, the Will is always responsible for the slant to the isolated receiver, as well as slow developing plays out of the backfield. Rocky was a disaster in this role, for when he was able to diagnose the plays, he tended to not be fast enough to make a difference.[/B]

His shortness won't necessarily play better at any position (although you are right about the TE matchup, but remember that in pretty much any scheme except cover two, the strong safety tends to line up to the TE side as well [hense: '[B]strong[/B]'], mitigating the role of the SLB even further).

Grilliams and Blache both are big fans of simplifing the roles of the OLBs against the run. They share the same philosophy: they'd rather see the OLBs take out the lead blocker and open up a clean lane for the MLB to make the play than have the OLB take the blocker head on and try to beat him one on one. It's one of the biggest reasons for Fletcher's success here, I think.

I hope that answered your question. It probably didn't, but maybe there was something valuable in there anyway.[/quote]

Yes. I'd add that the Will is sometimes matched in pass coverage against a running back. Maybe that's what you meant by "slow developing plays," anyway.

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To Schneed10 and CC...are the numbers at the beginning of the thread still accurate? I'm confused because media reports list our cap room at about $5.5 million but it's much higher here. Thanks guys!

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I just did an update and I have us at $8.9M of cap room.

Part of that will be used to sign our draft picks.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;551655]I just did an update and I have us at $8.9M of cap room.

Part of that will be used to sign our draft picks.[/quote]

Very nice...and thanks as always CC.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;551655]I just did an update and I have us at $8.9M of cap room.

Part of that will be used to sign our draft picks.[/quote]

Nice job !!

A few ?? though ...

Didn't Daniels sign for less ... although I guess the Wynn signing makes up for your number ...

Has Khary Campbell signed his tender ???

Is it really likely that we bring Kendall back ... especially given some of the UDFA signings we've made, and the anticipated progress from Rinehart ??

And I'm really hoping to hear that we signed the LB from Seattle (Hill).

HTTR !!

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[quote=GTripp0012;539095]Rogers simply isn't making enough to save money when extending him.

If he got a Hall-type deal, it would raise his 2009 cap number by 1.0-1.5 million.

Cutting Moss would be more of a football decision, based on what he is/isn't needed for. He'll be here until a better option comes along. He won't be here as long as Randle El will be.[/quote]

I thought that the Randle-El/Carter restructurings essentially turned their deals into one year contracts. Meaning they would be gone after this year if they don't produce.

If the FO keeps Randle-El (a never been and never will be) and drops Moss, they might as well hire Al Davis to run the team.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;552170]I thought that the Randle-El/Carter restructurings essentially turned their deals into one year contracts. Meaning they would be gone after this year if they don't produce.

If the FO keeps Randle-El (a never been and never will be) and drops Moss, they might as well hire Al Davis to run the team.[/quote]That's correct essentially, but there is a cost to releasing them none the less. Basically, if there's a cap next year, we can afford to let one, maybe two guys walk.

The thing was, if we really weren't considering keeping them, the cheapest way to separate from the contract would have been to not restructure at all, i.e. what we did with Moss. Randle El and Carter and Samuels...I expect them to pick up the options on all of them. If I had to guess one guy who is least likely to be here in 2010, I say Carter, if only because Orakpo should have his role in the defense by then.

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[quote=GTripp0012;552176]That's correct essentially, but there is a cost to releasing them none the less. Basically, if there's a cap next year, we can afford to let one, maybe two guys walk.

The thing was, if we really weren't considering keeping them, the cheapest way to separate from the contract would have been to not restructure at all, i.e. what we did with Moss. Randle El and Carter and Samuels...I expect them to pick up the options on all of them. If I had to guess one guy who is least likely to be here in 2010, I say Carter, if only because Orakpo should have his role in the defense by then.[/quote]

I think you are right about Carter being a big if in 2011. That being said, purely from a football standpoint I think that the team would be better served keeping him over R-El. But a $7.25 option bonus is pretty steep to keep Carter around.

2010 better be uncapped or we are SCREWED. The defense will be Haynesworth, hall, orakpo and the draft picks. Although Brennan and Chase Daniels may be the Qbs! ha ha ha

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;552177]I think you are right about Carter being a big if in 2011. That being said, purely from a football standpoint I think that the team would be better served keeping him over R-El. But a $7.25 option bonus is pretty steep to keep Carter around.

2010 better be uncapped or we are SCREWED. The defense will be Haynesworth, hall, orakpo and the draft picks. Although Brennan and Chase Daniels may be the Qbs! ha ha ha[/quote]

The FO was just really smart to keep all our picks for next year...like you said we're gonna need em.

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[quote=The Goat;552178]The FO was just really smart to keep all our picks for next year...like you said we're gonna need em.[/quote]

Damn it Goat don't jinx us. If no one tells them that they've picks for next year they'll not trade them.

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The league should be afraid of a uncapped year 2010. That would make the Redskins and Cowboys the Yawkees and BoSox of football.

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The rookie pool numbers have been released.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/28/2009-rookie-pool-numbers/]ProFootballTalk.com - 2009 Rookie Pool Numbers[/url]

The Redskins is $3,460,954

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[quote=steveo395;552929]The rookie pool numbers have been released.

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/28/2009-rookie-pool-numbers/]ProFootballTalk.com - 2009 Rookie Pool Numbers[/url]

The Redskins is $3,460,954[/quote]

Thanks for the link steveo.

After adding in the rookie pool, I have us at $5.37M of cap space.

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How much will our 1st round pick cost towards the salary cap?

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[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9577476/Source:-NFL-salary-cap-jumps-]NFL - NFL salary cap jumps nearly $1 million to $128M - FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

The salary cap increased another $947,000.

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Do we have the cap space to cut Jansen if he looses out to someone?

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[quote=steveo395;557819][url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9577476/Source:-NFL-salary-cap-jumps-]NFL - NFL salary cap jumps nearly $1 million to $128M - FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

The salary cap increased another $947,000.[/quote]

Just give it to Haynesworth, so the FO doesn't do something dumb like get another TE or trade Campbell.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;557827]Do we have the cap space to cut Jansen if he looses out to someone?[/quote]

Release fee for Jansen is a little over $6 million. I don't think we have that space or would want to cut him rather than just leave him on the bench. I think I saw an article saying we had around $5 million in space before the draft, after signing H. Smith and Orakpo and the draft guys I don't see it even with an extra million. Maybe a little more room to pick up a Khary Campbell type.

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[quote=steveo395;557819][url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9577476/Source:-NFL-salary-cap-jumps-]NFL - NFL salary cap jumps nearly $1 million to $128M - FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

The salary cap increased another $947,000.[/quote]

Hmmm...should be enough extra to lure Marcus back into the fold. We'll see.

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[quote=an23dy;557838]Release fee for Jansen is a little over $6 million. I don't think we have that space or would want to cut him rather than just leave him on the bench. I think I saw an article saying we had around $5 million in space before the draft, after signing H. Smith and Orakpo and the draft guys I don't see it even with an extra million. Maybe a little more room to pick up a Khary Campbell type.[/quote]
Yeah but I think they have that much space and it makes me wonder why they have that much. Normaly they use it all except for about 2 mil, for the season.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;557926]Yeah but I think they have that much space and it makes me wonder why they have that much. Normaly they use it all except for about 2 mil, for the season.[/quote]

I know a little about our cap situation, but a lot of my numbers are estimates, and I'm sure there are people that are more up to date than me. I think right now we have about 2 or 3 million in cap space. We had $5 million, then this one million added gives us $6 million, Hunter Smith is probably around $1 million, the rookies will probably be about $3 or $4 million. So that leaves maybe $2 or $3 million when you think about players dropping out of the top 51. Again all estimates on numbers I've seen in various places.

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[quote=The Goat;552178]The FO was just really smart to keep all our picks for next year...like you said we're gonna need em.[/quote]


That's like saying I don't beat my kids so I'm a good person. You don't get credit for that. I mean we should have most picks every year. Good teams realize this. Just b/c we have all or most of them once or twice in a six or seven year span doesn't make it smart.

Also, we tried to give away some for Cutler and trade away some for Sanchez.

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[quote=redsk1;557978]That's like saying I don't beat my kids so I'm a good person. [B]You don't get credit for that.[/B] I mean we should have most picks every year. Good teams realize this. Just b/c we have all or most of them once or twice in a six or seven year span doesn't make it smart.

Also, we tried to give away some for Cutler and trade away some for Sanchez.[/quote]

Well our FO doesn't get any credit by the sports media or the fans when they do something good. So at least this is a start.

Do I wish that our FO would emulate some of the FO of successful teams? Yes. But I am not going to praise other FOs by mindlessly bashing our team's FO.

Last time I check, teams like Oakland and Detroit also have had a lot of their picks, yet they wish they had a record like ours in the past 5 years.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;553358]Thanks for the link steveo.

After adding in the rookie pool, I have us at $5.37M of cap space.[/quote]

CC is that the cap space with the rookie cap subtracted ? So in effect we really have nigh on $9 mill in space ?

What are the possibilities of extending McIntosh and or Rogers?

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would we have room for....

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810831bd&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cowboys plan to release or trade DE Ellis after 11 seasons together[/url]

with him being pissed at the Cowboys he might help us. lol.

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After Jansen's release and most of the signings (not including draft picks) I have us at $2.071M of cap room.

The draft picks are already accounted for in the cap with the rookie pool, and the remaining signings will likely all be at the league min so they won't affect the cap situation cuz of the rule of 51.

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PS - The Skins are up to $17.7M of deadcap for 2009, or 14% of our total cap limit. Feels about right. ;)

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;560673]PS - The Skins are up to $17.7M of deadcap for 2009, or 14% of our total cap limit. [B]Feels about right[/B]. ;)[/quote]

LOL. Took the words right out of my mouth. It's what we do. Overpay, restructure, release, repeat. :)

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Are your Santana Moss numbers right?

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/02/new-santana-moss-deal-offsets-jansen-cap-charge/]ProFootballTalk.com - New Santana Moss Deal Offsets Jansen Cap Charge[/url]

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I don't even pay attention to the cap anymore. It's almost useless. For the most part we sign anyone we want and never go into cap hell.

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[quote=GMScud;560676]LOL. Took the words right out of my mouth. It's what we do. Overpay, restructure, release, repeat. :)[/quote]

Not to quote my self, but....

We restructure a 30 year old with a new deal that will run until he's into his mid-30's, and I suspect a year or two before said deal is up we'll probably be talking about whether or not we should cut him (especially if Thomas and Kelly come around), he's lost a step, etc etc etc.

Although I guess if we don't have a salary cap moving forward it won't matter.