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[quote=SmootSmack;647289]I wonder though if all this commotion would be happening if it was Tony Dungy that was rumored to be coming here, not Mike Shanahan.[/quote]

Just wanted to bump this to see what people thought

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[quote=SmootSmack;647442]Just wanted to bump this to see what people thought[/quote]

Probably not. I would actually love to get Dungy here, though that has nothing to do with race...just football.

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Sure, but in a different way. I think Dungy brings a different type of stability to an organization. I think the difference is that Shanny could perhaps establish a winning team, but Dungy would establish a winning culture first, and then everything else would follow.

I think those are the main two differences between the two. And quite frankly, I think folks would be more patient with Dungy on board knowing that it's a matter of when, not if. With Shanny I think he has a three, maybe four year window to right the ship.

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As far as race is concerned, I think Dungy would have instant cred with the black players on the team. It's just one of those intangible qualities that Dungy brings to the table. And yes, because he's black.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647289]I wonder though if all this commotion would be happening if it was Tony Dungy that was rumored to be coming here, not Mike Shanahan.[/quote]

I don't see how the commotion would be the same, since the spirit and letter of the Rooney Rule would clearly have been satisfied.

Instead there would be a different commotion, such as the negative effect that in-season hiring has had on on-field play.

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[quote=12thMan;647456]As far as race is concerned, I think Dungy would have instant cred with the black players on the team. It's just one of those intangible qualities that Dungy brings to the table. And yes, because he's black.[/quote]

Well race is what I was getting at. Would there be such a fuss about whether Snyder is adhering to the "spirit" of the Rooney Rule if Dungy was the one presumed to be our next head coach

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[quote=Lotus;647464]I don't see how the commotion would be the same, since the spirit and letter of the Rooney Rule would clearly have been satisfied.

Instead there would be a different commotion, such as the negative effect that in-season hiring has had on on-field play.[/quote]

How would it have been clearly satisfied?

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[quote=redsk1;647434]I don't think it is. It's the NFL. Owners/GM's don't wait til after the season to talk to/interview potential candidates w/ a coach who they know is gone. I'd feel worse if they waited til after JZ was fired to start the process.

Hopefully the circus will be over soon and we can expect Mike S to be around for 5+ years.[/quote]

Then have some balls like Ralph Wilson and fire the guy. Then have an interm HC. That way you can get the process started early. Embarassing someone, leaving some hung out to dry is very unprofessional IMO. And Gray is just Dan's token bitch. He's only screwing himself.

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[quote=Mattyk;647421]Zorn is the first lame duck coach?[/quote]

Of course not. I'm just saying there is a way of going about things.

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[quote=12thMan;647456]As far as race is concerned, I think Dungy would have instant cred with the black players on the team. It's just one of those intangible qualities that Dungy brings to the table. And yes, because he's black.[/quote]

I think Tony would bring instant cred with ALL players.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647465]Well race is what I was getting at. Would there be such a fuss about whether Snyder is adhering to the "spirit" of the Rooney Rule if Dungy was the one presumed to be our next head coach[/quote]

Oh, I wasn't sure. Are you kidding me, hell NO. Dungy is bigger than the Rooney Rule anyway. You know. The Rooney Rule is in place for the no-name black candidates, not the successful black candidates. In that regard, I suppose, success supercedes race and color. But yeah, if we interviewed Dungy I don't think the Rooney Rule would enter most peoples minds. Dungy is a great coach period.

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[quote=skinsfan69;647476]I think Tony would bring instant cred with ALL players.[/quote]

Obvi, but since race came up I was pointing that out.

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[quote=12thMan;647479]Oh, I wasn't sure. Are you kidding me, hell NO. Dungy is bigger than the Rooney Rule anyway. You know. The Rooney Rule is in place for the no-name black candidates, not the successful black candidates. In that regard, I suppose, success supercedes race and color. But yeah, if we interviewed Dungy I don't think the Rooney Rule would enter most peoples minds. Dungy is a great coach period.[/quote]

So that doesn't seem fair then does it. Like you said it's in place for the no-names (guys like Jerry Gray), not the successful ones. So it's just kind of interesting I guess that such a fuss is being made about Gray interviewing with Shanahan the odds on favorite to get the job anyway. But if we were talking about Dungy then we wouldn't care if Gray was a token interview or if Snyder was making a mockery of the rule?

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[quote=SmootSmack;647491]So that doesn't seem fair then does it. Like you said it's in place for the no-names (guys like Jerry Gray), not the successful ones. So it's just kind of interesting I guess that such a fuss is being made about Gray interviewing with Shanahan the odds on favorite to get the job anyway. But if we were talking about Dungy then we wouldn't care if Gray was a token interview or if Snyder was making a mockery of the rule?[/quote]

Pretty much. The rule will be made a mockery of, unfortunately, because you have such a small pool of good coaching candidates to begin with. Whittle that same pool down to an even smaller pool of maybe qualified black coaches, and you open it up to criticism.

Truth is the Rooney Rule is created for that one guy who turns out to be Joe Gibbs before he becomes Joe Gibbs. The downside is there aren't that many Joe Gibbs out there, so you have to sift through all the Jerry Grays of the NFL to satisfy some bullshit token rule.

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It's also worth noting that the NFL is the last of the three major professional sports to hire minorities in head positions. Taking that a step further, the Washington Redskins were the last NFL franchise to hire a black player. In fact, George Preston Marshall openly talked about his distaste for black athletes until he brought Bobby Mitchell to D.C. of course.

So the Rooney Rule has direct links to then Redskins owner George P. Marshall openly protesting against having black players on his roster. Rooney, in opposition then and now, saw it fit to institute a rule to level the playing field so to speak.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647442]Just wanted to bump this to see what people thought[/quote]

Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?

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[quote=Paintrain;647512]Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people.[B] If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?[/B][/quote]

Shouldn't this be in the Tiger Woods thread?

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[quote=Paintrain;647512]Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?[/quote]

Nice analogy :)

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[quote=Paintrain;647512]Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. [B] Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner[/B]?[/quote]

god are team is such a fucking joke :)

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I had a nice paragraph going defending african americans and this BS rule, but I was sure someone would misread it.

On a side note though I get sick and tired of everything being about race. The Skins did a BS interview and everyone is all upset but had they had an african american HC in waiting like Shanahan... it's ok cause the Skins "actually" fulfilled the Rooney Rule then.

A lot of you wanted Gray to be the next HC, so it tells me he was a qualified candidate. Was it fair to Zorn that someone on his coaching staff got interviewed? No. Was it fair for Gray to be considered for the job while working for someone else who is still on the team? No. What we don't know is what is going on behind the scene's. Has Zorn already been told he's not being retained? Was he approached about the team interviewing Gray? Most coach's would not go behind a coach who is above them and interview for their job. Most coach's would say take me out of the interview process. I'd like to think that if Gray actually was a part of a full interview then Zorn gave his blessing knowing he was not gunna be here and why hinder someone else from moving up in the coaching ranks.

But no matter how it went down DS tried to get Shanahan back in 2003 or something like that. Plus they are good friends and have talked on a regular basis since then. In other words they are friends. They like each other. They get a long. Which means even some white candidates who are qualified are not getting a chance to be interviewed cause DS basically turned to a qualified friend and asked if he would take over. He was most likely told not till the end of the season. The Skins interview process was simply to fulfill a rule so they don't get into trouble.

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[quote=12thMan;647501]Pretty much. The rule will be made a mockery of, unfortunately, because you have such a small pool of good coaching candidates to begin with. Whittle that same pool down to an even smaller pool of maybe qualified black coaches, and you open it up to criticism.

Truth is the Rooney Rule is created for that one guy who turns out to be Joe Gibbs before he becomes Joe Gibbs. The downside is there aren't that many Joe Gibbs out there, so you have to sift through all the Jerry Grays of the NFL to satisfy some bullshit token rule.[/quote]

If it was such a 'bullshit token rule' (which I find highly offensive BTW) then I'm sure the Steelers appreciate that 'bullshit token rule' because otherwise they wouldn't have interviewed Mike Tomlin. The Bears may not have interviewed Lovie Smith. Leslie Frazier may not be a hot candidate for jobs this year.

For those that think it's a 'bullshit token rule' tell that to Sherm Lewis, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy and plenty of the other coaches who weren't given a sniff for an interview for YEARS because the good old boy network was busy recycling the same names and faces over and over again.

It's really easy to sit on the perch of power and mock the lack of opportunity and delude yourself into believing a level playing field existed before the Rooney rule.

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[quote=Paintrain;647512]Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?[/quote]

nice analogy pain. to take it one step farther . .

if you're getting divorced but the court date hasnt arrived, is it okay for your best friend to go out with your soon-to-be-ex wife?

is it okay if your father was the one who secretly set up the date with your soon-to-be-ex wife and your best friend?

is it okay for your best friend to tell you to your face he didnt take out your soon-to-be-ex wife even though everyone else says he did?

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[quote=Paintrain;647519]If it was such a 'bullshit token rule' (which I find highly offensive BTW) then I'm sure the Steelers appreciate that 'bullshit token rule' because otherwise they wouldn't have interviewed Mike Tomlin. [B][U]The Bears may not have interviewed Lovie Smith[/U][/B]. Leslie Frazier may not be a hot candidate for jobs this year.

For those that think it's a 'bullshit token rule' tell that to Sherm Lewis, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy and plenty of the other coaches who weren't given a sniff for an interview for YEARS because the good old boy network was busy recycling the same names and faces over and over again.

It's really easy to sit on the perch of power and mock the lack of opportunity and delude yourself into believing a level playing field existed before the Rooney rule.[/quote]

might have actually been better of had they not interviewed him

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[quote=mlmdub130;647517]god are team is such a fucking joke :)[/quote]

Are we any more of a joke than the Dolphins were in '07 when Wayne Huzengia met on a tarmac with Bill Parcells for 3 hours when he had a coach and GM in place? Are we any more of a joke than the Falcons in '07 when they had a front office in place and Parcells was offered, accepted and then declined their President of Football Ops job? Damn guys, I know it's been rough this season but even when we're taking steps to get better some of you still bitch about it.

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[quote=Paintrain;647512]Isn't quoting yourself some kind of violation of message board etiquette? :oink:

If it were Dungy rumored to be coming, I don't think there would be much of a big deal at all. Honestly, I don't know why it's a big deal now. Everyone knows that Z is gone so who cares that Snyder is already interviewing people. [B]If you're getting divorced but the court date hasn't arrived, is it cheating to take someone out to dinner?[/[/B]quote]

In the SNL voice of the "church Lady"...... yes it is. ;)

I agree with you 100% though. I think we all know Zorn is gone. He knows he gone. I think the owner was hoping at some point Zorn would quit and not have to pay him anymore and it didn't happen. The season was already gone so keep him or firing him would have not made a difference. I guess you all would have been more comfortable had DS fired Zorn and made Gray HC then conducted interviews or simply waited until the end of the season. I think DS just wanted to let Shanahan get a start on putting his team together behind the scene's so they can get all the players ready to jump on board when the season ends.

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[quote=mlmdub130;647522]might have actually been better of had they not interviewed him[/quote]

They went to the Super Bowl 3 years ago with Rex Freaking Grossman. I'd strongly beg to differ.

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[quote=Paintrain;647523]Are we any more of a joke than the Dolphins were in '07 when Wayne Huzengia met on a tarmac with Bill Parcells for 3 hours when he had a coach and GM in place? Are we any more of a joke than the Falcons in '07 when they had a front office in place and Parcells was offered, accepted and then declined their President of Football Ops job? [B]Damn guys, I know it's been rough this season but even when we're taking steps to get better some of you still bitch about it[/B].[/quote]

i'm just saying the team and front office in general over the past decade have been a joke and i would say we are worse off than any of the teams you listed. and with the :hitfan: as of late it just makes me sit back and get very apathetic and realize how much of a joke we are to the rest of the league

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[quote=over the mountain;647521]nice analogy pain. to take it one step farther . .

if you're getting divorced but the court date hasnt arrived, is it okay for your best friend to go out with your soon-to-be-ex wife?

is it okay if your father was the one who secretly set up the date with your soon-to-be-ex wife and your best friend?

is it okay for your best friend to tell you to your face he didnt take out your soon-to-be-ex wife even though everyone else says he did?[/quote]

Ok, I see your point from Zorn's point of view. Does my best friend hit it, cause that's just wrong.

Look, it's FAR from ideal and maybe not the way that some of us would have handled it or would have seen to like it handled if it were us but let's not act like it's the first time it's happened. I'm sure in Buffalo, there was at least some conversation with Fewell before Jauron was let go along the lines of 'if we make a change at the HC position would you be interested?'

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[quote=Paintrain;647519]If it was such a 'bullshit token rule' (which I find highly offensive BTW) then I'm sure the Steelers appreciate that 'bullshit token rule' because otherwise they wouldn't have interviewed Mike Tomlin. The Bears may not have interviewed Lovie Smith. Leslie Frazier may not be a hot candidate for jobs this year.

For those that think it's a 'bullshit token rule' tell that to Sherm Lewis, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy and plenty of the other coaches who weren't given a sniff for an interview for YEARS because the good old boy network was busy recycling the same names and faces over and over again.

It's really easy to sit on the perch of power and mock the lack of opportunity and delude yourself into believing a level playing field existed before the Rooney rule.[/quote]

I went a little too far with the word bullshit. My apologies. But it is bullshit that the Redskins had already determined that Shanny would be the coach no matter what and in order to satisfy a rule to interview a black candidate, Jerry Gray was interviewed. In my estimation that is bullshit. Either keep the leaks under wraps or wait until the end of the season to handle your business. So while you take offense to the my characterization of the rule, I take offense to the process and how a black coach was interviewed knowing full well he wasn't being considered for the damn job in the first place.

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[quote=Paintrain;647525]They went to the Super Bowl 3 years ago with Rex Freaking Grossman. I'd strongly beg to differ.[/quote]

he won when he first got there, the past three years one winning season of 9-7, i'm just saying he is no mike tomlin and i was joking when i made the initial comment, since they are now talking about getting rid of him

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[quote=Paintrain;647519]If it was such a 'bullshit token rule' (which I find highly offensive BTW) then I'm sure the Steelers appreciate that 'bullshit token rule' because otherwise they wouldn't have interviewed Mike Tomlin. The Bears may not have interviewed Lovie Smith. Leslie Frazier may not be a hot candidate for jobs this year.

For those that think it's a 'bullshit token rule' tell that to Sherm Lewis, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy and plenty of the other coaches who weren't given a sniff for an interview for YEARS because the good old boy network was busy recycling the same names and faces over and over again.

It's really easy to sit on the perch of power and mock the lack of opportunity and delude yourself into believing a level playing field existed before the Rooney rule.[/quote]

Why do you seem to take everthing someone says about the BS rule as a negative comment toward african americans? As if we don't want blacks to get a chance. My comment about it being a BS rule is cause if an owner wants to interview the african american water boy for a HCing position then he can and has fulfilled the Rooney Rule. In other words it's not fair to qualified black candidates to which I call it a BS rule.

Some of the people on here feel Gray was qualified. He got interviewed. Be satisfied. I don't know if he is or not... I would have prefered some one else get interviewed. Who? I don't kinow but maybe a black OC. Our problems are not defense right now. I just hope Gray got a fair shake. I hope the team told Zorn and he gave Gray his blessing otherwise Gray would feel like he's undermining his HC and in essence not have interviewed seriously for the job.

This is why I feel it's a BS rule. Not cause I don't think there should be black HC's or black coach's interviewed for those positions.

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[quote=Paintrain;647531] Does my best friend hit it, cause that's just wrong.

[/quote]


of course your best friend hits it, were in hypothetical land where everyone hits it.

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[quote=mlmdub130;647528]i'm just saying the team and front office in general over the past decade have been a joke and i would say we are worse off than any of the teams you listed. and with the :hitfan: as of late it just makes me sit back and get very apathetic and realize how much of a joke we are to the rest of the league[/quote]

We're no more of a joke than the Chiefs, Raiders, Lions, Browns, Bills, Bucs or Rams.

Chiefs-new coach, new (expensive) QB, same crappy results
Raiders-A job that still nobody wants
Lions-years of suckitude and it keeps on coming
Browns-Finally a ray of light after a long, long, long time
Bills-Can't give away their coaching job, even with a ton of $ tied to it
Bucs-Maybe churning their coach and roster again after 1 year
Rams-See Lions but worse

Our franchise and HC job are very attractive and we've got some good pieces. We're closer to turning the corner to being good than we are to repeating another 4-12/5-11 type season.

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[quote=SBXVII;647535]Why do you seem to take everthing someone says about the BS rule as a negative comment toward african americans? As if we don't want blacks to get a chance. My comment about it being a BS rule is cause if an owner wants to interview the african american water boy for a HCing position then he can and has fulfilled the Rooney Rule. In other words it's not fair to qualified black candidates to which I call it a BS rule.

Some of the people on here feel Gray was qualified. He got interviewed. Be satisfied. I don't know if he is or not... I would have prefered some one else get interviewed. Who? I don't kinow but maybe a black OC. Our problems are not defense right now. I just hope Gray got a fair shake. I hope the team told Zorn and he gave Gray his blessing otherwise Gray would feel like he's undermining his HC and in essence not have interviewed seriously for the job.

This is why I feel it's a BS rule. Not cause I don't think there should be black HC's or black coach's interviewed for those positions.[/quote]

nice post.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647468]How would it have been clearly satisfied?[/quote]

Letter: we hire a minority in this scenario
Spirit: we genuinely interview a minority in this scenario (or we couldn't hire him)

It seems to me that the Rooney Rule is about advancing minorities, regardless of what time of year the advancement happens.

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[quote=Paintrain;647539]We're no more of a joke than the Chiefs, Raiders, Lions, Browns, Bills, Bucs or Rams.

Chiefs-new coach, new (expensive) QB, same crappy results
Raiders-A job that still nobody wants
Lions-years of suckitude and it keeps on coming
Browns-Finally a ray of light after a long, long, long time
Bills-Can't give away their coaching job, even with a ton of $ tied to it
Bucs-Maybe churning their coach and roster again after 1 year
Rams-See Lions but worse

Our franchise and HC job are very attractive and we've got some good pieces. We're closer to turning the corner to being good than we are to repeating another 4-12/5-11 type season.[/quote]

you just lumped us, [B][U]the washington redskins[/U][/B], in with the cheifs lions bills rams, and raiders, to me that is a fucking joke

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[quote=Lotus;647542]Letter: we hire a minority in this scenario
Spirit: we genuinely interview a minority in this scenario (or we couldn't hire him)

It seems to me that the Rooney Rule is about advancing minorities, regardless of what time of year the advancement happens.[/quote]

But the Rooney Rule isn't in place for the Tony Dungys and Marvin Lewises (not anymore), it's there now for guys like Leslie Frazier, Sherman Smith, etc.

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[quote=skinsfan69;647469]Then have some balls like Ralph Wilson and fire the guy. Then have an interm HC. That way you can get the process started early. Embarassing someone, leaving some hung out to dry is very unprofessional IMO. And Gray is just Dan's token bitch. He's only screwing himself.[/quote]

That's the way it happens sometimes. DS would then get chastised for firing someone mid season.

I would agree that some acts have been unprofessional this year but I'm not sure that interviewing candidates prior to firing a coach is one of them. It happens all of the time in the NFL. Hell, "feelers" are put out all of the time in the NCAA. We can agree it would have been better kept under wraps.

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[quote=redsk1;647546]That's the way it happens sometimes. DS would then get chastised for firing someone mid season.

I would agree that some acts have been unprofessional this year but I'm not sure that interviewing candidates prior to firing a coach is one of them. It happens all of the time in the NFL. Hell, "feelers" are put out all of the time in the NCAA. We can agree it would have been better kept under wraps.[/quote]

not someone on your own team, doing multiple interveiws, interviewing people not on the team is one thing but interviewing someone who is underneath you is very unprofessional

just imagine the owner of your company coming in and telling you he wants to interview you for your bosses job because he is gonna fire your boss in two months, would you listen to one word your boss told you from there on out i sure as shit know i wouldn't

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[quote=SBXVII;647535]Why do you seem to take everthing someone says about the BS rule as a negative comment toward african americans? As if we don't want blacks to get a chance. My comment about it being a BS rule is cause if an owner wants to interview the african american water boy for a HCing position then he can and has fulfilled the Rooney Rule. In other words it's not fair to qualified black candidates to which I call it a BS rule.

Some of the people on here feel Gray was qualified. He got interviewed. Be satisfied. I don't know if he is or not... I would have prefered some one else get interviewed. Who? I don't kinow but maybe a black OC. Our problems are not defense right now. I just hope Gray got a fair shake. I hope the team told Zorn and he gave Gray his blessing otherwise Gray would feel like he's undermining his HC and in essence not have interviewed seriously for the job.

This is why I feel it's a BS rule. Not cause I don't think there should be black HC's or black coach's interviewed for those positions.[/quote]
I don't take that position (which he clarified) as a negative towards African Americans, I take offense to that attitude of 'tokenism' being the reason the rule is in place. The rule is intended to increase exposure to other candidates that owners may not have considered otherwise. I am sure Norm Chow and Ron Rivera wish the Rooney Rule was in place 10-12 years ago when they were coming up in the coaching ranks and neither of them is African American.

The Rooney Rule says nothing about HIRING (which is where the claim of 'tokenism' would be applicable) but simply interviewing. If there were 8 openings this offseason and 8 different minority candidates were interviewed and 8 white guys were hired, there would be no complaints from the Fritz Pollard Alliance because the Rooney Rule would have been followed and all teams would be in compliance with it.

The best application of the rule is in our case. We know that Shanny is going to be the coach, but we interviewed Jerry Gray. Now let's say the Texans make the decision to fire Kubiak. Snyder may call Bob McNair and say, 'hey we interviewed Jerry Gray for our HC position. He's got some great ideas on the 3-4 defense like you guys run, came in with a dynamite plan and presentation and I know you are looking for a defensive minded coach. He wasn't a fit for us because we wanted an offensive guy but maybe you should give him a call.' That is how the Rooney Rule is supposed to work, it has nothing to do with tokenism, hiring percentages or quotas.

My issues have nothing to do with skin color, only speaking half cocked on things without knowing the facts.