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[quote=CultBrennan59;657315]Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.[/quote]

So basically, in the year off, you think that MS only looked at two OL coaches, and/or that in the 2 weeks that he has been at work he didn't look at who else might be available that could coach the line the way he wants.

As for the 2nd point, it's not like Foerster was calling BINGO last week. He was an OL coach, looking at film and probably packing for the shrine bowl and senior bowl.

I don't know what style he brings, but if every other coach they brought in fits with what they intend to do, and any intelligent football guy knows that the OL has to be functioning for their offense to go, I think Shanahan understands what he wants in a line coach.

Could I be wrong, sure. In fact the SF website had a full thread bashing this guy-in addition to the one post quoted earlier, so he could be the next Stan Hixon, or the fans could be wrong and it could have been his players. I guess I am not going to get down on a guy who hasn't even unpacked his bags yet.

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The Redskins have announced the hiring of Jacob Burney as the defensive-line coach and Bob Slowick as defensive-backs coach.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;657315]Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.[/quote]
pretty much every team in the NFL uses zone blocking, just some more than others

bugel taught the zone as well.. I remember a few years ago our linemen saying that they loved it

The guy obviously had some knowledge going from the indy TE job to getting a coordinator job.. granted the phins didn't have a great team then.. it was also one in which the HC got the boot mid-season.. and it is going from TE coach to coordinator

the jury is still out but I'm not going to pretend to know his body of work and instantly think that he sucks

big whoop if the first 2 candidates didn't want to come here.. that happens all of the time.. that doesn't mean that there are only 2 good line coaches in the NFL.. i know that coaches and players are different but haven't we gotten upset when we just got the big name instead of the right fit? maybe he's a good fit, we'll have to see.. we don't even know who is going to be on our line at this point, silly to speculate heavily

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Zone schemes are used by nearly every team to varying degrees.


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[quote=Frost;657319]The Redskins have announced the hiring of Jacob Burney as the defensive-line coach and Bob Slowick as defensive-backs coach.

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Slowick somehow seems to succeed Blache in coaching locations. First in Chicago, now here.

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do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;657339]do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.[/quote]

Not sure if any other team(s) have the same set-up but it has been reported that Jerry Gray and Steve Jackson had more than their share of differences. Maybe this staff will have a different pecking order where problems between the two position coaches will no longer exist.

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[quote=Mattyk;657270]This could be a clue[/quote]

Yea, most likely it will the the ex-Tampa Bay coach Mann. I put it out there cause I think the guy I referenced said they thought all the positions were filled. As far as I know I heard Mann was offered the job but he has not said whether he would take the job or not, and your right it would appear he is since he is no longer on Tampa's staff.

But....he might not be cause I have read other articles that say Tampa did not renew his contract and will have to fill his shoes. So it's not like he left them it sounds more like they didn't renew his contract.
I guess if he wants a job he'll take our offer though. :)

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[quote=skinsnut;657271]It seems some 49ers fans tend to think they had a horrible oline this year under Forester.
[URL="http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=90413&page=2"]Our O-Line... - Page 2 - 49ers Message Board Community[/URL]

I hope they are wrong....on the other hand, we claim to had one of the worst lines this year and we had Buges...perhaps it is strictly talent related[/quote]

I think it has a lot to do with getting the right coach in the right situation. Buges was the best at teaching Man-to-Man blocking which is good for Gibbs style and possibly Schottenheimer's, Norv's etc. Buges didn't do well in the WCO cause they need a more smaller mobile OL and Zone blocking. No different then A.Gibbs or Dennison might not have worked out in JGibbs system.

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This 49ers OLine was terrible. Probably worst in the NFL (not that ours and Chicago's don't have a similar claim).

As for what that says about Forester...is Bugel a bad coach? His units have been pretty awful recently.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;657339]do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.[/quote]
I'd imagine every team does, I could be wrong, but it's not like we're unique in having a safeties coach.

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[quote=GTripp0012;657353]This 49ers OLine was terrible. Probably worst in the NFL (not that ours and Chicago's don't have a similar claim).

As for what that says about Forester...is Bugel a bad coach? His units have been pretty awful recently.[/quote]Yeah there are too many variables. Like you mentioned with Bugel.. either he lost something or the FO didn't make it a priority. This could very well be the same situation that happened in SF. O-Line coaches will tell you who they like but they're not even close to the head-honcho on draft day and determining which players to throw money at in FA.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;657303]Any particular reason for this, or just the normal redskins cynicism? I tend to be optimistic this time of year, but I think that most, if not all, of these hires show reflective thought, and not just the throw up the hands and hire someone mentality. Looking at the production each individual coach has gotten from players during their tenure, it sure seems offensively that they all have a pretty good grasp on getting the most out of the players they have been responsible for.[/quote]

I think the feeling comes because no one has heard of him before. I'm not a fan of Cable's issues and honestly don't know if his offensive lines were all that great. I too felt when A.Gibbs went to Seattle and rumor was Dennison was being interviewed by Houston, Uh oh, the two OL coaches Shanahan used to do great things are now not coming with him? and our issues were OL. WTF? No one heard of him nor anyone else interviewing for the positon and then all of a sudden on a Thursday.... "OL coaches position has been filled." Now were left wondering where the "F" did he came from?

Plus I like the write up on him but statistics are made to be twisted to look good. I'm glad we have Kyle Shanahan cause he had the #4 ranked "passing" offense. However his "rushing" offense was worse then ours this year, and we couldn't run the ball. We were ranked like 26th and they were ranked 28th I think. I feel safe knowing Mike Shanahan provides an awsome running scheme, and Kyle provides an awsome passing scheme.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm sure there was a nice flowery write up about Vinny Cerrato on Redskins.com. A nice beautiful write up about Zorn and many others. So I think we have to look into what the situation around him was. Plus I don't think I could work for San Frans HC. So the write up might be nice and exciting but I think we need to see why he was let go from the other teams.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;657339]do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.[/quote]


i'm pretty sure they do.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;657339]do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.[/quote]

Not every team does, but it's not uncommon either

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;65736

I think we need to see why he was let go from the other teams.[/QUOTE]

was he let go?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;657318]So basically, in the year off, you think that MS only looked at two OL coaches, and/or that in the 2 weeks that he has been at work he didn't look at who else might be available that could coach the line the way he wants.

As for the 2nd point,[B] it's not like Foerster was calling BINGO last week. [/B]He was an OL coach, looking at film and probably packing for the shrine bowl and senior bowl.

I don't know what style he brings, but if every other coach they brought in fits with what they intend to do, and any intelligent football guy knows that the OL has to be functioning for their offense to go, I think Shanahan understands what he wants in a line coach.

Could I be wrong, sure. In fact the SF website had a full thread bashing this guy-in addition to the one post quoted earlier, so he could be the next Stan Hixon, or the fans could be wrong and it could have been his players. I guess I am not going to get down on a guy who hasn't even unpacked his bags yet.[/quote]

Ya know it irritates the hell out of me and I don't know why when people say this but I can honestly say his lame BINGO calling ass did what the staff on the roster couldn't do in a season and a half. Pretty shitty when a BINGO caller is better then the "young talented genius" minds we supposedly had on the team already.

but I will agree his resume seems nice and hopefully Shanahan's system is also plug and play like the players positions.

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[quote=SBXVII;657362]I think the feeling comes because no one has heard of him before. .[/quote]
I'd bet there are less than 5 posters on here that can name 5 or more O-Line coaches. I'd bet that most people here can't name 5 OCs.

Face it, if it wasn't the O-Line coach from the Colts, plenty of people would have something to say negatively; hell even if it was people would wonder why the guy left.

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[quote=SBXVII;657367]Ya know it irritates the hell out of me and I don't know why when people say this but I can honestly say his lame BINGO calling ass did what the staff on the roster couldn't do in a season and a half. Pretty shitty when a BINGO caller is better then the "young talented genius" minds we supposedly had on the team already.

but I will agree his resume seems nice and hopefully Shanahan's system is also plug and play like the players positions.[/quote]

I wasn't trying to irritate, I liked the SL hire, check my posts. I just wanted to point out that this guy was not sitting around, and not keeping up with the current OL potential players.

Overall, I simply am willing to give the benefit of doubt to Shanahan, who has had success with OL's in the past

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[quote=tryfuhl;657372]I'd bet there are less than 5 posters on here that can name 5 or more O-Line coaches. I'd bet that most people here can't name 5 OCs.

Face it, if it wasn't the O-Line coach from the Colts, plenty of people would have something to say negatively; hell even if it was people would wonder why the guy left.[/quote]

True. Plus if its not "their" choice or first choice people present a lot of negativity. No I guess your right I couldn't name 3 OL coach's in this league (minus Buges), but no different then not all people are fan favorites of Haslett, or some of the defensive coaching positions, or Danny Smith, people are going to wonder why him? keep in mind there are always two sides to every story and although its a wonderful write up about the new OL coach I too wonder what negatives we will see from him? I hope he comes in and gets the OL working well together and this team performs well.

Perhaps it's nice to know what the negatives are. With M.Shanahan we know his running game was awsome but his passing game was good but not awsome. With K.Shanahan we know his passing offense is awsome but his running game was simply good. So hopefully between the two they can put together a team that has an excellent running and passing attack. But it will all center around who the OL coach is, how good of a coach he is, does he teach the scheme Shanahan needs to get this whole offensive scheme working or will there be issues with different philosophies?

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Well keep in mind that the whole time that Shanahan was OC and I believe the year before that Gibbs was in control of the running game, Shanahan became OC just last year and was the QB coach before that. I doubt that Mike would let Kyle drop off the running game less than his standard if he does have an issue with it. It's hard to say with our personnel right now.. and potentially next year, if our running game would be that hot anyways. If we do switch our primary blocking scheme it may take awhile to develop anyways. They had injuries like we did this year too.. pro bowl TE, 2 guards, starting RB, etc

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[quote=Longtimefan;657280]SFREDSKIN talk to me!!...Tell us what you know about coach Forester. I've never heard of him but he's got a resume filled with experience. I guess if Richard Mann is signed as WR coach, the staff will be just about complete.[/quote]

Foerster is a decent coach who's only been in SF 2 years, the reason the 49ers OL were horrible was due to injury like Washington and also holes in the line. Their best OL (Staley was out for about 8 games). Frank Gore has had 4 consecutive 1000 yard seasons (2 with Foerster). The ironic thing is that people on this forum were talking about Solari as our next OL coach, well guess were he ended up? SF

[url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/21/SPO81BLM9C.DTL[/url]

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Someone else said it (first) and it's pretty wise: an incoming coach w/ something to prove can be a great thing. Haslett, though his resume is unimpressive, seems like that guy. Not sure about Forrester (I'll spell his name like the ugly Subaru :)). What does he have to prove? Hard to say.

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Let's just turst in Shanahan and see where this goes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;657386]Foerster is a decent coach who's only been in SF 2 years, the reason the 49ers OL were horrible was due to injury like Washington and also holes in the line. Their best OL (Staley was out for about 8 games). Frank Gore has had 4 consecutive 1000 yard seasons (2 with Foerster). The ironic thing is that people on this forum were talking about Solari as our next OL coach, well guess were he ended up? SF

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/21/SPO81BLM9C.DTL]49ers shuffle offensive line coaches[/url][/quote]

Thanks dude!! I'm just hoping he'll be able to take whatever holdovers we'll have from the Bugel line couple them with whatever additions we may make either through the draft or FA and mold them into a formidable group by the time we start playing for real again. He's going to have his work cut out for him but his resume suggest's he should be able to field a good product.

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[quote=Longtimefan;657405]Thanks dude!! I'm just hoping he'll be able to take whatever holdovers we'll have from the Bugel line couple them with whatever additions we may make either through the draft or FA and mold them into a formidable group by the time we start playing for real again. He's going to have his work cut out for him but his resume suggest's he should be able to field a good product.[/quote]

I think he's done a good job in SF with what he inherited on the line, he was probably responsible with his input on drafting Chilo Rachal. It's hard to evaluate after only 2 years. We'll see.

Years Coaching Background Head Coach
2009-Current Offensive Line San Francisco 49ers - Mike Singletary
2008 Offensive Line San Francisco 49ers - Mike Nolan
2005-2007 Offensive Line/Assistant Head Coach Baltimore Ravens - Brian Billick
2004 Offensive Coordinator Miami Dolphins - Jim Bates, Dave Wannstedt
2002-2003 Tight Ends Indianapolis Colts - Tony Dungy
1996-2001 Offensive Line Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tony Dungy
1993-1995 Assistant Offensive Line/Tight Ends Minnesota Vikings - Dennis Green
1992 Offensive Line University of Minnesota - Jim Wacker
1988-1991 Assistant Offensive Line/Special Teams Stanford - Jack Elway & Dennis Green
1983-1988 Offensive Line Colorado State - Leon Fuller
1982 Graduate Assistant Colorado State - Leon Fuller

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[quote=The Goat;657397][B]Someone else said it (first) and it's pretty wise: an incoming coach w/ something to prove can be a great thing.[/B] Haslett, though his resume is unimpressive, seems like that guy. Not sure about Forrester (I'll spell his name like the ugly Subaru :)). What does he have to prove? Hard to say.[/quote]

Exhibit A: Gregg Williams.

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Why hasn't Brian Billick gotten job interviews? Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge Billick fan, I'm just wondering. But he does have a positive track record which includes a Super Bowl win. Gailey and Carroll have never won Super Bowls. Why does Billick get no love?

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[quote=Lotus;657457]Why hasn't Brian Billick gotten job interviews? Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge Billick fan, I'm just wondering. But he does have a positive track record which includes a Super Bowl win. Gailey and Carroll have never won Super Bowls. Why does Billick get no love?[/quote]

In todays NFL the trend is to hire coaches that have never won a Super Bowl since coaches have never been able to win a Super Bowl with two different teams at least as a Head Coach. Hopefully Coach Mike will break that trend and if he doesn't then at least his son should be a great candidate to succeed his father. Only problem is he might be a little young when his father retires (my guess around 35).

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;657407]I think he's done a good job in SF with what he inherited on the line, he was probably responsible with his input on drafting Chilo Rachal. It's hard to evaluate after only 2 years. We'll see.

Years Coaching Background Head Coach
2009-Current Offensive Line San Francisco 49ers - Mike Singletary
2008 Offensive Line San Francisco 49ers - Mike Nolan
2005-2007 Offensive Line/Assistant Head Coach Baltimore Ravens - Brian Billick
2004 Offensive Coordinator Miami Dolphins - Jim Bates, Dave Wannstedt
2002-2003 Tight Ends Indianapolis Colts - Tony Dungy
1996-2001 Offensive Line Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tony Dungy
1993-1995 Assistant Offensive Line/Tight Ends Minnesota Vikings - Dennis Green
1992 Offensive Line University of Minnesota - Jim Wacker
1988-1991 Assistant Offensive Line/Special Teams Stanford - Jack Elway & Dennis Green
1983-1988 Offensive Line Colorado State - Leon Fuller
1982 Graduate Assistant Colorado State - Leon Fuller[/quote]

He's had the opportunity in his twenty-eight yr. coaching history to work with some very good coaches. The OL is going to be the most closely watched group as far as additions and development, needless to say he obviously has a plan knowing the state of the product we were forced to field last season. I'm anxious to see what he, along with the other additions to the coaching staff will do to improve the team we'll field in 2010.

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[quote=tryfuhl;657372]I'd bet there are less than 5 posters on here that can name 5 or more O-Line coaches. I'd bet that most people here can't name 5 OCs.

Face it, if it wasn't the O-Line coach from the Colts, plenty of people would have something to say negatively; hell even if it was people would wonder why the guy left.[/quote]

It's funny how people get locked on to certain people, probably just because of name value mainly. Meanwhile the people making these decisions are a hell of a lot more informed than we are, yet we seem to think we know best at times.

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[quote=Mattyk;657467]It's funny how people get locked on to certain people, probably just because of name value mainly. Meanwhile the people making these decisions are a hell of a lot more informed than we are, yet we seem to think we know best at times.[/quote]

Please! Logic like that r why ur Madden Franch1se r inferiors to mINe!!!

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Haven't seen any updates regarding WR Coach... nary a tweet. Richard Mann from TB had been discussed earlier. Anyone have any scoopage?

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Looks like we may have found our WR Coach or maybe this guy will work with Mann (they worked together w/ the Bucs)...

Adam Shefter just tweeted:
Redskins have retained Steve Jackson as Safeties Coach and named Sean McVay Offensive Assistant.

From Wikipedia:
Sean McVay (born January 24, 1986) is an American football coach. He is currently the wide receivers/quality control coach for the Florida Tuskers of the United Football League.

Happy Birthday Sean!

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Sean McVay
Quality Control/Wide Receivers Coach, Florida Tuskers
Sean McVay joins the Florida Tuskers as Quality Control/Wide Receivers Coach. McVay spent the 2008 season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as an Offensive Assistant. While in Tampa Bay, he worked closely with all members of the offensive coaching staff in the preparation and implementation of the offensive game plan. McVay was also instrumental in helping guide WR Antonio Bryant to 83 receptions for 1,248 yards and seven touchdowns, culminating in Bryant's The Sporting News Comeback Player of the Year Award.

McVay played college football at Miami (OH) University from 2004-07 where he was a starting kick returner and wide receiver. In 2007, he received Miami's Scholar-Athlete Award. In his senior year at Marist High School in Atlanta, Ga., McVay led his team to a state championship as quarterback while earning Georgia 4A Offensive Player of the Year honors.

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[quote=EEich;657563]Sean McVay
Quality Control/Wide Receivers Coach, Florida Tuskers
Sean McVay joins the Florida Tuskers as Quality Control/Wide Receivers Coach. McVay spent the 2008 season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as an Offensive Assistant. While in Tampa Bay, he worked closely with all members of the offensive coaching staff in the preparation and implementation of the offensive game plan. McVay was also instrumental in helping guide WR Antonio Bryant to 83 receptions for 1,248 yards and seven touchdowns, culminating in Bryant's The Sporting News Comeback Player of the Year Award.

McVay played college football at Miami (OH) University from 2004-07 where he was a starting kick returner and wide receiver. In 2007, he received Miami's Scholar-Athlete Award. In his senior year at Marist High School in Atlanta, Ga., McVay led his team to a state championship as quarterback while earning Georgia 4A Offensive Player of the Year honors.[/quote]

So it sounds like no Mann, but we got his assistant? Is it definite he is the WR coach, or could he be here as a generic offensive assistant? 23 years old or somethin like that!

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Between Gano, Haslett, and McVay, we are becoming quite the UFL pipeline.

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I'm glad to see that the Redskins finally hired an offensive line coach. Maybe he can talk to Shanahan about the draft and have some influence there.

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[quote=Mattyk;657467]It's funny how people get locked on to certain people, probably just because of name value mainly. Meanwhile the people making these decisions are a hell of a lot more informed than we are, yet we seem to think we know best at times.[/quote]
Yep, and in this case they probably hadn't heard of the top supposed candidates either, well with the exception of Alex Gibbs maybe.

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[quote=EEich;657561]Looks like we may have found our WR Coach or maybe this guy will work with Mann (they worked together w/ the Bucs)...

Adam Shefter just tweeted:
Redskins have retained Steve Jackson as Safeties Coach and named Sean McVay Offensive Assistant.

From Wikipedia:
Sean McVay (born January 24, 1986) is an American football coach. He is currently the wide receivers/quality control coach for the Florida Tuskers of the United Football League.

Happy Birthday Sean![/quote]
Haslett's boy