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[quote=GMScud;682530]If anyone gives us a 2nd rounder for JC, I want some of what they're smoking.[/quote]Just gotta be like Bowlen was with Cutler last year. Make people think you have something they want, and the "grass is greener" principle will take care of the rest.

Sell the McNabb move as an opportunity you couldn't pass up, but act like you are passing on the benefits to other teams with Campbell. If Denver did it, Allen can do it.

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[quote=jdc65;682321]The other nightmare scenario now is if the Rams go Suh, and the Lions take Okung, then Bradford falls to 4, but they can't draft him now. Plus, with Okung gone, we are left with a RT option at #4.[/quote]
what? there's more than one LT prospect man

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McNabb apparently has a no-trade clause built-in to this trade, so DeMac is our QB this year.
Donovan is now the biggest sports star in DC.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682521]Are inflated McNabb numbers worth more than inflated Campbell numbers? If so, how so?[/quote]
You can stink in some departments(short passing accuracy) if other abilities override it(instincts to extend the play, deep ball accuarcy). Campbell's throws are like musket shots. They're never on target or there's some miscomm. Never can one be certain whether he intended to throw something like back shoulder pass(Oakland game) or it just happned to be there. Campbell's pocket presence is artificial at best. The fumble in the Giants game is more than ample evidence that he needs to think about when his time's up and it's not an instinctive ability of his. He also can't see the field well, such as missing Yoder on that quadruple streak play.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682533]I've heard the term I just have no idea what it means exactly. All I know is that it refers to a chicken. However what makes it a "spring" chicken is beyond me.[/quote]

Gotcha..well, for the sake of this discussion it simply means a young person. But it's a chicken about 2 months old, the meat is tender.

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[quote=GMScud;682530]If anyone gives us a 2nd rounder for JC, I want some of what they're smoking.[/quote]


That stuff is nothing compared to what the guy who wanted Tim Tebow over McNabb is smoking.

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Wilbon's thought on the trade...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/04/AR2010040403463.html]Michael Wilbon - For Donovan McNabb and Jason Campbell, this trade is for the best - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=jdc65;682538]McNabb apparently has a no-trade clause built-in to this trade, so DeMac is our QB this year.
Donovan is now the biggest sports star in DC.[/quote]

...and the face of the franchise too.

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Random useless thoughts on this:

- Unless there's a draft day trade involving McNabb, I guess I should change the line above my avatar.

- Colt Brennan won't be wearing number 5 and all the Cult-o-Colters are going to need to get new jerseys. :rofl:

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[quote=jdc65;682538]McNabb apparently has a no-trade clause built-in to this trade, so DeMac is our QB this year.
Donovan is now the biggest sports star in DC.[/quote]

Man it's going to be so hard to run him out of town. I mean it's like going from Somolia to the US.

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[quote=SBXVII;682512]I just hope people are not clinging to years past and are actually looking at what he can provide now.[/quote]

He won 11 games last year with a so so defense.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;682539]You can stink in some departments(short passing accuracy) if other abilities override it(instincts to extend the play, deep ball accuarcy). Campbell's throws are like musket shots. They're never on target or there's some miscomm. Never can one be certain whether he intended to throw something like back shoulder pass(Oakland game) or it just happned to be there. Campbell's pocket presence is artificial at best. The fumble in the Giants game is more than ample evidence that he needs to think about when his time's up and it's not an instinctive ability of his. He also can't see the field well, such as missing Yoder on that quadruple streak play.[/quote]Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.

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[quote=Beemnseven;682527]There should be no doubt that Campbell is not part of the plans of Mike Shanahan.

You've seen the last of JC in a Redskin uniform.[/quote]

Most likely true, but given their relationship and that something like this could possibly work (however remote), I couldn't help but ponder the thought. Now, back to my crack pipe I left in my meth lab...

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[quote=jdc65]The other nightmare scenario now is if the Rams go Suh, and the Lions take Okung, then Bradford falls to 4, but they can't draft him now. Plus, with Okung gone, we are left with a RT option at #4.[/quote]

I don't think there's any way the Rams pass on Sam Bradford.

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I like it. McNabb instantly replaces Portis as the alpha-dog on offense. Now all the players take cues from McNabb both in practice and during games. On-field leadership is something we've been lacking for a long time, and as long as McNabb protects the ball, we're good to go. Portis has been the emotional focal point of the offense to the team's detriment, and JC just didn't step up in time (or he was focused on more pressing matters like learning new offensive schemes and staying alive in the backfield).

I'll say it again: Urban Meyer got in Chris Leak's face about being more of a leader, and during their second season together, they won a National Championship. Tebow was not the most skilled QB in Florida history (might have been Grossman, interestingly), but he was a hell of a leader, and he got another championship because of it. But let's bring it back to the NFL level:

The best teams in the NFL right now not only have good quarterbacks, but their quarterbacks are the undisputed leaders of their offenses. Stats almost don't matter in this case (but lucky for us, McNabb is a good statistical QB, too).

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[quote=GMScud;682530]If anyone gives us a 2nd rounder for JC, I want some of what they're smoking.[/quote]

Just going by Shefter:

[quote=skinsfaninok;682446]Shefter just said JC will be traded for sure and possibly for a 2nd rd pick... He also said Shanny called JC and told him the teams plans.
[/quote]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;682545]Random useless thoughts on this:

- Unless there's a draft day trade involving McNabb, I guess I should change the line above my avatar.

[B]- Colt Brennan won't be wearing number 5 and all the Cult-o-Colters are going to need to get new jerseys.[/B] :rofl:[/quote]

Now that is funny!

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[quote=GTripp0012;682548]Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.[/quote]

Oh don't worry, old man Rypien may have failed in certain areas (out passes, according to Gibbs) but he had a heck of a deep ball. McNabb is better than that and if he does start stinking? Ride the running game. ;)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;682545]Random useless thoughts on this:

- Unless there's a draft day trade involving McNabb, I guess I should change the line above my avatar.

[B]- Colt Brennan won't be wearing number 5 and all the Cult-o-Colters are going to need to get new jerseys[/B]. :rofl:[/quote]

I'm sure he'll be wearing #5 at whatever NFL team he'll go during training camp.

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[quote=jdc65;682538]McNabb apparently has a no-trade clause built-in to this trade, so DeMac is our QB this year.
Donovan is now the biggest sports star in DC.[/quote]

Depends on who you are asking because DC has the greatest hockey player on the planet as well.

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Interesting...

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Campbell-wasnt-told-of-trade-89888252.html]Campbell wasn't told of trade | Washington Examiner[/url]

Is this for real?

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[quote=wilsowilso;682558]Depends on who you are asking because DC has the greatest hockey player on the planet as well.[/quote]
Not sure if OV's publicity is up to par just yet. After all, it's Crosby who gets all the marketing deals.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682392]01000001110101110

Does not compute.[/quote]
I get it.. because you've got an extra bit there

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I just don't know about this. McNabb is definitely an upgrade from Campbell, no doubt about that! I am SURPRISED that the Eagles traded him to a division foe. This is all very shocking to me! before we get to the Elway comparisons with the age, let's just remember that Elway had been in Denver for years before Shanahan came to town AND Elway had been to at least three Super Bowls before Shanahan came to town. McNabb is in a new city, new team, and has been to one Super Bowl. Don't know if it's fair to compare McNabb to Elway. Two different situations!

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[quote=Beemnseven;682527]There should be no doubt that Campbell is not part of the plans of Mike Shanahan.

You've seen the last of JC in a Redskin uniform.[/quote]

Maybe neither are a part of Shanahan's plans? JC to Buffalo for a 2nd or 3rd round pick gives you guys what you wanted.... more picks.

McNabb plus our 1st round pick moves us up to #1 overall. The Rams were interested in McNabb but didn't get anything done. I think we have the availability though.

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did b. mitch actually just say that Levi Jones played very well at LT for us last year?

he was talking about maybe holluring @ him to be RT

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[quote=GTripp0012;682548]Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.[/quote]


GTripp, who knew that when we were talking about what seemed to be totally hypothetical at 2:00 a.m., that we will get a definitive answer over the next few years.

I think both of us hope that my position was right! ;-)

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[quote=SBXVII;682563]Maybe neither are a part of Shanahan's plans? JC to Buffalo for a 2nd or 3rd round pick gives you guys what you wanted.... more picks.

[B]McNabb plus our 1st round pick moves us up to #1 overall. The Rams were interested in McNabb but didn't get anything done. I think we have the availability though.[/B][/quote]

I'm sure the Rams would have wanted our 1st/2nd rounders this year and a third or fourth next year instead.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682548]Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.[/quote]Rather that, then watch the rest of the team play fairly well and JC throw games away (or damn near) that we should win, or watch him miss scoring opportunities on a regular basis, or have the coaching staff have to tailor the gameplan around JC's limitations.

And on the injury thing, in the last three years (since JC has been a full-time starter) McNabb missed 4 games, JC missed 3. Since McNabb's injuries, he's been a lot more selective running the ball.

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[quote=Ruhskins;682559]Interesting...

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Campbell-wasnt-told-of-trade-89888252.html]Campbell wasn't told of trade | Washington Examiner[/url]

Is this for real?[/quote]

Sounds like business as usual in the NFL. I'm not surprised or outraged by it. Would it have made much of a difference if they told him before the trade went down?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;682547]He won 11 games last year with a so so defense.[/quote]

The D-line didn't block for him last year. Anybody else not to happy about this trade? I was really hoping to address O-line this offseason and why are they still bringing Bradford in for a look? Is this an option they're considering in the draft?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;682567][B]Rather that, then watch the rest of the team play fairly well and JC throw games away[/B] (or damn near) that we should win, or watch him miss scoring opportunities on a regular basis, or have the coaching staff have to tailor the gameplan around JC's limitations.

And on the injury thing, in the last three years (since JC has been a full-time starter) McNabb missed 4 games, JC missed 3. Since McNabb's injuries, he's been a lot more selective running the ball.[/quote]

Actually most of the time it was JC's bad play, the o-line's horrible play, and Zorn's horrible play calling.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;682569]The D-line didn't block for him last year. Anybody else not to happy about this trade? I was really hoping to address O-line this offseason and why are they still bringing Bradford in for a look? Is this an option they're considering in the draft?[/quote]Well, Mr. Zorn's version of the WCO always had every play be a "drop back and throw" play. Roll outs and bootlegs were nonexistent. WILL NOT BE THE CASE WITH SHANNY.

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[quote=Ruhskins;682559]Interesting...

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Campbell-wasnt-told-of-trade-89888252.html]Campbell wasn't told of trade | Washington Examiner[/url]

Is this for real?[/quote]

Man,

It looks legit, and probably the FO left messages, but never actually talked to him...

I hope he gets more respect at his next stop.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;682547]He won 11 games last year with a so so defense.[/quote]

and.....yet his numbers were not that much greater then Campbells. Hmmm. He had a much better OL, much better WR's, much better HC, much better scheme, and yet people want to argue that McNabb is far better a QB now over JC. JC's numbers were not that much different with a much worse OL, mediocre WR's, bad HC, and bad scheme.

I'll agree with you if you look at all of McNabbs stats from his start time in the NFL to now he is much better then JC. But please be realistic and look at last yrs stats or atleast the last couple of yrs and judge both together. McNabb has been falling off from his day of grandure. He is not the god people want to make him out to be.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;682446]Shefter just said JC will be traded for sure and possibly for a 2nd rd pick... He also said Shanny called JC and told him the teams plans.

Trevor Matich also just said the Skins could become an instant Playoff contender today.[/quote]
what channel was this on?

JC for a 2nd? just JC?

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[quote=SBXVII;682573]and.....yet his numbers were not that much greater then Campbells. Hmmm. He had a much better OL, much better WR's, much better HC, much better scheme, and yet people want to argue that McNabb is far better a QB now over JC. JC's numbers were not that much different with a much worse OL, mediocre WR's, bad HC, and bad scheme.

I'll agree with you if you look at all of McNabbs stats from his start time in the NFL to now he is much better then JC. But please be realistic and look at last yrs stats or atleast the last couple of yrs and judge both together. McNabb has been falling off from his day of grandure. He is not the god people want to make him out to be.[/quote]

Fat Andy's one-dimensional playcalling is suspect at best, although better than Zorn's.

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[quote=SBXVII;682563]Maybe neither are a part of Shanahan's plans? JC to Buffalo for a 2nd or 3rd round pick gives you guys what you wanted.... more picks.

McNabb plus our 1st round pick moves us up to #1 overall. The Rams were interested in McNabb but didn't get anything done. I think we have the availability though.[/quote]

Apparently there's a no-trade clause with this deal. McNabb is officially Shanahan's man.

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[quote=GMScud;682450]Seriously. I mean, look at our offense! Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis, Willie Parker, Santana Moss, Donovan McNabb?? Wooot! Circa 2006, I'd be like, CHAMPIONSHIP!!

Sigh.....[/quote]
Allen's Over The Hill Gang v.2?

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[quote=tryfuhl;682577]Allen's Over The Hill Gang v.2?[/quote]

Most of them aren't former Broncos.