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I looked at this last night and got absolutely furious:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/world/2010/04/21/coast-guard-responds-oil-rig-explosion-lousiana-coast#slide=1]FOXNews.com - Massive Oil Spill Washes Ashore in the Gulf[/url]

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^^^the devastation is really unimaginable. What a tragedy for Louisiana and the whole gulf region.

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I take back some of my earlier negativity. The cap is collecting right now about 3/4th of the total spill. They are ramping it up each day. If they can get 20,000 barrels a day from it like they are expected to, then that should greatly, greatly slow the spill until the relief wells are finished.

At this point, they can finally start making a dent on the oil thats on the surface....maybe most of florida is saved now, maybe the greater atlantic....

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I'll have to say as a supporter of offshore drilling our politicians (both parties) have really screwed the public with these oil rigs. I would have never thought that we would have an oil leak that could go on for a month and this one could go for a six or more months. How the hell could goverment allow this to happen? I'm not big on regulations but this is just common sense that we have ways of stopping a major oil leak. Every single one of them Republican and Democratic have sold us off to big oil and there influence in Washington.

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[quote=firstdown;705148]I'll have to say as a supporter of offshore drilling our politicians (both parties) have really screwed the public with these oil rigs. I would have never thought that we would have an oil leak that could go on for a month and this one could go for a six or more months. How the hell could goverment allow this to happen? I'm not big on regulations but this is just common sense that we have ways of stopping a major oil leak. Every single one of them Republican and Democratic have sold us off to big oil and there influence in Washington.[/quote]

Nice try, but we all know that Republicans are Big Oil, for the most part. Blame Louisiana and Texas cause they profited. Have you ever heard "live by the sword die by the sword?"

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;705152]Nice try, but we all know that Republicans are Big Oil, for the most part. Blame Louisiana and Texas cause they profited. Have you ever heard "live by the sword die by the sword?"[/quote]
Thats pretty stupid. Its was Obama office thats signed off on this and it was also Obama who gave the OK to start new offshore drilling in VA and other areas. Also how did Louisiana and Texas profit off this oil well. Both parties are to blame period.

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[quote=firstdown;705169]Thats pretty stupid. Its was Obama office thats signed off on this and it was also Obama who gave the OK to start new offshore drilling in VA and other areas. Also how did Louisiana and Texas profit off this oil well.[/quote]

Even through all the devastatison they are crying about don't take away he oil money. don;t take away teh opil well. hoe si thast stuopid. You live by the oil and when something happens we pretend like nothing is suppose to happen. Oil rigs are perfect when the profit comes in. But, when something goes wrong. Well we see the results. It's a conscience choice, nobody twisted their arms for that oil money. They wanted more and more.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;705172]Even through all the devastatison they are crying about don't take away he oil money. don;t take away teh opil well. hoe si thast stuopid. You live by the oil and when something happens we pretend like nothing is suppose to happen. [B]Oil rigs are perfect when the profit comes in. [/B]But, when something goes wrong. Well we see the results. It's a conscience choice, nobody twisted their arms for that oil money. They wanted more and more.[/quote]

No one says oil rigs are perfect but we do expect a decent safty plan in place when something does happen and thats the problem I have.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;705172]Even through all the devastatison they are [B]crying about don't take away he oil money. don;t take away teh opil well. hoe si thast stuopid. [/B]You live by the oil and when something happens we pretend like nothing is suppose to happen. Oil rigs are perfect when the profit comes in. But, when something goes wrong. Well we see the results. It's a conscience choice, nobody twisted their arms for that oil money. They wanted more and more.[/quote]

Is Klingon your first language?

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[quote=firstdown;705175]No one says oil rigs are perfect but we do expect a decent safty plan in place when something does happen and thats the problem I have.[/quote]

The only problem is nothing can be done. If you are digging one mile beneath teh sea, what can you do? Absolutely nothing. Somethings humans can't do. Pray. that's one rig, and it did all this damage that means digging down there is really really dangerous to the environment.

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Thats why i said earlier i wish Superman was real. He is the only man who could fix this disaster

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I'm thinking Batman could come up with some gadgets to get the job done.

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Aquaman could have saved the animals. Would have been a whole Justice League issue.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;705179]The only problem is nothing can be done. If you are digging one mile beneath teh sea, what can you do? Absolutely nothing. Somethings humans can't do. Pray. that's one rig, and it did all this damage that means digging down there is really really dangerous to the environment.[/quote]
From what I have read it seems that all the reasearch has gone into drilling these things but no research has gone into stopping a leak and safty. We can come up with a way to cap these things its just the money (the oil companies money) has not been used to do so and the goverment has not forced them to do the research. If the gov. said the only way you can drill is to come up with a safty devise to shut them down and a back up syetem if the first one fails the oil companies would find ways to shut them down. What has happened is the oil companies have thrown money around to both parties and they have turned a blind eye.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;705188]Thats why i said earlier i wish Superman was real. He is the only man who could fix this disaster[/quote]Green Lantern could've capped it off too, plus he's got a movie coming out in 2011.

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[quote=firstdown;705194]From what I have read it seems that all the reasearch has gone into drilling these things but no research has gone into stopping a leak and safty. We can come up with a way to cap these things its just the money (the oil companies money) has not been used to do so and the goverment has not forced them to do the research. If the gov. said the only way you can drill is to come up with a safty devise to shut them down and a back up syetem if the first one fails the oil companies would find ways to shut them down. What has happened is the oil companies have thrown money around to both parties and they have turned a blind eye.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Last week i was on vacation and i was piss drunk and could only find MSNBC on the cable we had. I ended up watching some of Maddow.....[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So i found myself completely agreeing with her. She was talking about how since Exxon Valdese the clean up measures have not improved at all. I think its been 20+ years and they still clean oil spills up the same way. They showed the booms not really working and being held in place w. bamboo. This is America, we shouldnt use bamboo for anything but furniture, office plants, and pissing off neighbors. I only watched about 30 mins but i didnt despise her as i passed out. I felt a little funny the next day kind of like I just slept with a ugly chick, but had that “well at least I wrapped up” feeling.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[url=http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-how-not-respond-oil-spill-bo]Rachel Maddow: How Not to Respond to an Oil Spill -- Booming Fails on Louisiana Coast | Video Cafe[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;705201][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Last week i was on vacation and i was piss drunk and could only find MSNBC on the cable we had. I ended up watching some of Maddow.....[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So i found myself completely agreeing with her. She was talking about how since Exxon Valdese the clean up measures have not improved at all. I think its been 20+ years and they still clean oil spills up the same way. They showed the booms not really working and being held in place w. bamboo. This is America, we shouldnt use bamboo for anything but furniture, office plants, and pissing off neighbors. I only watched about 30 mins but i didnt despise her as i passed out. I felt a little funny the next day kind of like I just slept with a ugly chick, but had that “well at least I wrapped up” feeling.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-how-not-respond-oil-spill-bo"]Rachel Maddow: How Not to Respond to an Oil Spill -- Booming Fails on Louisiana Coast | Video Cafe[/URL][/quote]If you're passing out to Maddow that must've been a really bad night on the vacation, sorry to hear that.

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[URL="http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m6d5-Why-do-Obama-BP-refuse-to-use-most-effective-method-of-oil-cleanup"]Why do Obama, BP refuse to use most effective method of oil cleanup?[/URL]


Here is a lame explaination of why they are not using oil tankers.
[URL="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/allen-explains-why-oilsucking-tankers-arent-being-used.html"]Allen Explains Why Oil-Sucking Tankers Aren’t Being Used - Political Punch[/URL]

After a 1993 oil spill in the Persian Gulf, empty oil tankers were used to reclaim oil from the water’s surface. In my “This Week” interview, I asked Admiral Thad Allen why those techniques are not being used in the Gulf of Mexico, and he explained:
“We’ve actually talked to those folks. [B]There are a couple of issues with that. Number one, the tankers actually have to be modified. They are not ready to go right now. Number two, we don’t know what those modifications will do to the stability of the vessels and how they operate [/B]and number thee, the area of operations is very, very different. We’ve got anywhere from 20 to 30 vessels within one square mile over the top of that well at any particular time, managing remotely operating vehicles, doing the drilling of the relief well and so forth, so I’m not sure it’s the right application of that right now.”


1: why not have someone finding out what it will takes to get them modified.
2: If your worried about stability you could just ask the people who used the tankers in another oil spill dumb ass.

Also if he talked to those people as he said he did couldn't they have answered those questions.

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When you have something as valuable as the Gulf is to America you do not put it in harm's way. I repeat, you do not put it in harm's way. Forget the oil. The people are crying so much that makes it obvious there should be no more drilling in the gulf. That's one well that did all this damage.

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So now Obama is trying to act like he is doing something. Hey, Obama its 50 days late. So now we are accepting the help from others that was offered over 50 day ago. Wow what a leader we have here. He has no clue what to do or how to lead. I guess tomorrow night he will have some fancy speech about how he is going to get BP working on this mess or else. It would not surprise me one bit if he does not say in some form about taking over BP. Maybe he can talk about kicking some ass when its his dumb ass that needs kicking. Oh and we know the old blame George Bush is also coming tomorrow night.

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He won't "blame George Bush" specifically, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear language like - before I took office we were in a war for oil, so we had to look closer to home- or some other non blaming blame filled statement that diverts responsibility from his administration. That said, there is enough blame to go around, so I hope he focuses on future solutions, not past blame.

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That oil spill is getting boring. Wake me up when the oil giant BP is no more. Big Oil gone how you like that Republicans?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;706438]That oil spill is getting boring. Wake me up when the oil giant BP is no more. Big Oil gone how you like that Republicans?[/quote]Ah yes, a BP bankruptcy would be productive....prior to getting this mess cleaned up.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;706439]Ah yes, a BP bankruptcy would be productive....prior to getting this mess cleaned up.[/quote]

Can you say "bailout"?

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Well last night was the first time in about a week or so that I sat down and surfed the news ch. from Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Etc... and all pretty much are saying the same thing. BP is not getting the job done and Obama has done just about nothing. The different ch. had their different spin on the subject but they all where saying the same thing. One news source listed all of the outside help thats been offered that we have turned down up until the past week and why we have turned down all these offers makes no sense at all.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;706438]That oil spill is getting boring. Wake me up when the oil giant BP is no more. Big Oil gone how you like that Republicans?[/quote]

I know you are bored with it, but now that the Feds have approved [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill;_ylt=AhnETolVOEx.HSqgIC1TqEt2wPIE;_ylu=X3oDMTM2bHVmdjcyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE1L3VzX2d1bGZfb2lsX3NwaWxsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2JwZ2V0c29rdG9idQ--"]burning the oil rather than capturing it[/URL], how does that fit with your earlier mindset that BP was avoiding shutting it, because they wanted to capture the oil for re-sale.

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Unbelievable stuff here

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/business/16oil.html]Oil Executives Try to Explain Differences From BP - NYTimes.com[/url]

[QUOTE]Mr. Markey added: “In preparation for this hearing, the committee reviewed the oil spill safety response plans for all of the companies here today. What we found was that these five companies have response plans that are virtually identical. The plans cite identical response capabilities and tout identical ineffective equipment. In some cases, they use the exact same words. We found that all of these companies, not just BP, made the exact same assurances.”

Like BP, Mr. Markey said, three other companies include references to protecting walruses, which have not called the Gulf of Mexico home for three million years.

“Two other plans are such dead ringers for BP’s that they list a phone number for the same long-dead expert,” he said.

[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Mattyk;706485]Unbelievable stuff here

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/business/16oil.html"]Oil Executives Try to Explain Differences From BP - NYTimes.com[/URL][/quote]

See thats what gets me about this whole thing and why we can point to both parties over the past 40 or more year not requiring the oil companies to have better equipment and plans for if we have a spill. To me that was really the only jod the goverment had in off shore drilling. Safty and making sure the oil companies had plans and equipment to deal with oil spills.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;706468]I know you are bored with it, but now that the Feds have approved [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill;_ylt=AhnETolVOEx.HSqgIC1TqEt2wPIE;_ylu=X3oDMTM2bHVmdjcyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE1L3VzX2d1bGZfb2lsX3NwaWxsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2JwZ2V0c29rdG9idQ--"]burning the oil rather than capturing it[/URL], how does that fit with your earlier mindset that BP was avoiding shutting it, because they wanted to capture the oil for re-sale.[/quote]

You right they been trying to get that oil all along, but I was wrong they were trying to shut it too. They just can't it's too deep for them. Their pockets are not even deep enough to plug that hole.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;706468]I know you are bored with it, but now that the Feds have approved [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill;_ylt=AhnETolVOEx.HSqgIC1TqEt2wPIE;_ylu=X3oDMTM2bHVmdjcyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE1L3VzX2d1bGZfb2lsX3NwaWxsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2JwZ2V0c29rdG9idQ--"]burning the oil rather than capturing it[/URL], how does that fit with your earlier mindset that BP was avoiding shutting it, because they wanted to capture the oil for re-sale.[/quote]

They have been burning the oil off for over a month now and maybe even longer.

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[quote=Chico23231;706446]Can you say "bailout"?[/quote]

I need info. What's the difference between a receivership and bankruptcy. I think in a receivership the government assumes control and they pay those affected, share holders be damned. I mean when you buy stock you are gambling, it was almost a sure thing but........sorry charlie.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;706516]I need info. What's the difference between a receivership and bankruptcy. I think in a receivership the government assumes control and they pay those affected, share holders be damned. I mean when you buy stock you are gambling, it was almost a sure thing but........sorry charlie.[/quote]BP isn't a U.S. corporation. They may have subsidaries that are U.S. corps, but main BP is in the UK.

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[quote=Mattyk;706485]Unbelievable stuff here

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/business/16oil.html]Oil Executives Try to Explain Differences From BP - NYTimes.com[/url][/quote]

LOOOOL...Money buys you Nick Naylor and nicely pre-packaged responses.

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[quote=saden1;706555]LOOOOL...Money buys you Nick Naylor and nicely pre-packaged responses.[/quote]and these dipshits get paid 7 or 8 figures a piece per year. The stockholders of these oil giants should demand accountability so their investments don't lose $ 70B in value.

MMS needs to do its job and enforce tougher standard on these a-holes or shut down their leases. If MMS keeps having coke/sex romps with the oil companies this will happen again.

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I worked in the industry for 6 years. If you don't get oil to a refinery within a certain time limit it goes bad. They take it out into the ocean, dump it, and burn it. Why they didn't burn this crap from jump street is beyond me? Oh . . .

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;706579]I worked in the industry for 6 years. If you don't get oil to a refinery within a certain time limit it goes bad. They take it out into the ocean, dump it, and burn it. Why they didn't burn this crap from jump street is beyond me? Oh . . .

[B]Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity[/B].[/quote]

Words by which to live.

Particularly when you are talking about big corporations or governments.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;706579]I worked in the industry for 6 years. If you don't get oil to a refinery within a certain time limit it goes bad. They take it out into the ocean, dump it, and burn it. Why they didn't burn this crap from jump street is beyond me? Oh . . .

[b]Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.[/b][/quote]

Sometimes they go hand-in-hand, i.e. drunk drivers and BP. It does't take a genius to know what can go wrong.

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So Obama says that BP is going to fund a 20 billion dollar fund to pay people back for their damages. This should be interesting to see how Obama shells out the money.

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The BP pensioners in England are pissy that they're getting flack and losing money. Perhaps they would like to have some "BP" fish and chips?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;706891]The BP pensioners in England are pissy that they're getting flack and losing money. [B]Perhaps they would like to have some "BP" fish and chips[/B]?[/quote]

Cajun Style: Really really expensive and extra greasy.