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[quote=GMScud;716866]Yeah but weren't we hearing from both Al and this private trainer of his how he is going to surprise everyone with the shape he's in? Wasn't his trainer publicly bragging about Al's conditioning just a few weeks ago? Also, his knee wasn't an issue until after his second straight day of failing the fitness test. I'll make no apologies for this man.

Yeah he's 115 lbs heavier than I am, but I also ran it 11 seconds faster than he's required to, and I'm not a multi-million dollar pro athlete. Fail Albert, fail.[/quote]

Well he did lose 30 lbs but as we know that doesn't mean he's in better shape. I'm not apologizing for him at all, I wish he would have shown some heart on day 1 and just gutted it out vs. taking a 10 minute breather, errr I mean bathroom break. That said watching Mike Golic run it, or everyone and their mother does nothing to get AH back on the practice field.

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I was on Shanahan's side at the start of this, I think we all wanted to see Ah suffer a bit. But now it's getting to the point where you have to ask what is this accomplishing?

What if he rests the knee a few more days and goes out and passes the thing, and in the process the knee flares up again causing him to miss another week of practice?

At this point this stalemate is a lose/lose for everyone involved. Once his knee is better just get him back on the practice field and let's move on already.

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[quote=GMScud;716866]Yeah but weren't we hearing from both Al and this private trainer of his how he is going to surprise everyone with the shape he's in? Wasn't his trainer publicly bragging about Al's conditioning just a few weeks ago? [SIZE=4]Also, his knee wasn't an issue until after his second straight day of failing the fitness test. I'll make no apologies for this man[/SIZE].

Yeah he's 115 lbs heavier than I am, but I also ran it 11 seconds faster than he's required to, and I'm not a multi-million dollar pro athlete. Fail Albert, fail.[/quote]

this.........

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Revis needs to get paid...I'd hold too. Chris Johnson should do the same too. I mean, you know the SOBs are going to franchise you after your contract is up and if they're trying to underpay you now they sure as shit won't pay you later.

Young Money.

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People still think there's a war between these two. Silly media propaganda. When Shanahan is even leaving open the possibility of letting AL practice without the test(albeit in the faaaaaaaar future), I'm inclined to think that they Al's been demystified.

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[quote=Mattyk;716901]I was on Shanahan's side at the start of this, I think we all wanted to see Ah suffer a bit. But now it's getting to the point where you have to ask what is this accomplishing?

What if he rests the knee a few more days and goes out and passes the thing, and in the process the knee flares up again causing him to miss another week of practice?

At this point this stalemate is a lose/lose for everyone involved. Once his knee is better just get him back on the practice field and let's move on already.[/quote]

I agree that this whole thing is totally detrimental to all parties at this point. But Shanahan was firm in his rule of Albert needing to pass the test to practice, what's gonna happen if he suddenly decides to just let him take the field?

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[quote=Longtimefan;716810]What concerns me more than his passing or not passing the test is the knee itself. If a 300 + lb. man experiences knee problems just from running, what is the likely outcome when he repeatedly get's hit on it. Is this going to be a recurring problem that limits him to in and out of the line-up for various portions of the season?

If Shanahan decides to allow him to practice with the team despite not being able to complete an endurance test, one has to think he's still not in the kind of condition that would be safe for him to continue without the risk of possible further injury. To me, this has the potential for far more serious consequences than just not being able to complete an endurance exercise.[/quote]

agreed

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[quote=GMScud;716916]I agree that this whole thing is totally detrimental to all parties at this point. But Shanahan was firm in his rule of Albert needing to pass the test to practice, what's gonna happen if he suddenly decides to just let him take the field?[/quote]

That initial firmness about needing to pass the test has already loosened up. He alluded yesterday to possibly letting AH back on the field without passing the test.

What happens is everyone moves the F on.

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[quote=saden1;716904]Revis needs to get paid...I'd hold too. Chris Johnson should do the same too. I mean, you know the SOBs are going to franchise you after your contract is up and if they're trying to underpay you now they sure as shit won't pay you later.

Young Money.[/quote]

agreed.. I think that I read that the Jets are paying 7 db's more than Revis is schedule to make

I've also heard that they offered him around 10 a year and he was like "aww hell no!"

Jets need to pony up a bit more cash and Revis needs to realize if he wants OAK's best player money he needs to go to OAK

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716910]People still think there's a war between these two. Silly media propaganda. When Shanahan is even leaving open the possibility of letting AL practice without the test(albeit in the faaaaaaaar future), I'm inclined to think that they Al's been demystified.[/quote]

Yeah I do think at this point the media and fans are making a bigger deal about it than it really is behind closed doors.

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What about the benefits of actually getting that piece of crap in proper shape for maybe the first time in years?

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[quote=wilsowilso;716962]What about the benefits of actually getting that piece of crap in proper shape for maybe the first time in years?[/quote]
yep

less forced TOs, less plays off, him getting the career numbers he wants, etc

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[quote=wilsowilso;716962]What about the benefits of actually getting that piece of crap in proper shape for maybe the first time in years?[/quote]
Even a fat and out of shape Haynesworth gave the team a better pass rush in 2009 then it had in 2008, in which it was totally nonexistent that year. Luckily, in 2008, the schedule wasn't full of elite QBs that would have thrived at such calm on the football field.

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He can't run without his knee swelling, which means he can't do anything -- not the conditioning test, not practice, nothing -- whether the coach, the fans or the media like it or not.

This went from the coach not allowing him to play, and turned into his body not allowing him to play. If there was never any conditioning test from the start, I feel like we'd be in the same situation anyways. He has to sit until he's healthy.

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Yep you are right Ghetto... gotta let the guy heal up before you do any real damage to him. I am not for one minute making an axcuse for the guy though. Just get him healthy and get his ass praticing.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;716973]Yep you are right Ghetto... gotta let the guy heal up before you do any real damage to him. I am not for one minute making an axcuse for the guy though. Just get him healthy and get his ass praticing.[/quote]

yep.. keep him on the bike or in the pool or whatever but no need to try to do what happened with Kelly

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free KISS tickets to whoever passes test @ Paul XI High School Fairfax, tomo, 8:30 a.m, lower field

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KISS? they suck.

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[quote=Mechanix544;717038]KISS? they suck.[/quote]

Horrible.

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[quote=Mechanix544;717038]KISS? they suck.[/quote]
[quote=Mattyk;717040]Horrible.[/quote]
Might explain why they are free.

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So, not to merge to exciting threads, but I guess the question now becomes which will happen first, Favre unofficially unretiring, or AH unofficially practicing.

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At least he's helping out

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/03/a-helpful-side-of-albert-haynesworth/]A Helpful Side Of Albert Haynesworth[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;717104]At least he's helping out

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/03/a-helpful-side-of-albert-haynesworth/]A Helpful Side Of Albert Haynesworth[/url][/quote]


good to know he cares some

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[quote=Mattyk;717104]At least he's helping out

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/03/a-helpful-side-of-albert-haynesworth/]A Helpful Side Of Albert Haynesworth[/url][/quote]

If Revis has an island does that mean that Haynesworth gets a continent?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716765]Albert Haynesworth is not a world-class manipulator. It's about time you stop making assumptions from that premise. He's a naive dude, and now it seems he's itching to pass the test before his knee is ready.

Besides, I'm curious about what exactly in the knee can be "conditioned" like muscles and stuff can be conditioned.

Actually, the above post is actually quite stupid since you only interpret one result without considering other events with regards to the situation.[/quote]

well it seems like you and Al are good friends. and if you're curious about the knee thing you should probably google it or something...

just because i didn't write out everything that i "considered" doesn't mean i didn't consider it. my opinion is my opinion, just as you are entitled to feel how you feel.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;717197]If Revis has an island does that mean that Haynesworth gets a continent?[/quote]

he gets a tectonic plate, the Fat Al's Plate (get it like a plate... for food... ok, i'll stop now...)

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[quote=GMScud;716851]So I don't have time to read 500 posts, but has anyone here gone out and tried this fitness test? My wife and I bit and went out this morning and both tried it after breakfast. Oh my god Haynesworth, you are a massive puss. It's not difficult at all! Granted neither of us are overweight, and we're both in pretty good shape, but so what? I'm two years older than phat Al. I ran it in 59 seconds, second one in 64. On my first try! And I'm no triathlete. My wife did it in 68 seconds on her first try, 72 on her second.

That horn tooting personal trainer of his should be fired.[/quote]

no shit,I'm not going to read all these post either so it could have been mentioned already.I just saw a video of Mike Golic running this and passing with no prep,if he can do it then Haynesworth should be able to do it with no problem

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[quote=Kindoy;717198]well it seems like you and Al are good friends. and if you're curious about the knee thing you should probably google it or something...

just because i didn't write out everything that i "considered" doesn't mean i didn't consider it. my opinion is my opinion, just as you are entitled to feel how you feel.[/quote]
Argumentum ad hominem right from the get go. I didn't like Haynesworth silly antics in the offseason, especially when he had his chance to avoid being in the 3-4 if he really wanted to. But, these media firestorms are fertile ground for libel and defamation, territory I have no desire to wander into.

Besides, your statements have a "He has been blah blah" or "He is going to blah blah blah", which means that you are asserting a certain property to him, which means you are asserting a FACT. I dispute that your statement is actually FACT, and instead that is insuffcient evidence to deem it as fact, and that the actual facts point towards the opposite.
Yeah, it's quite obvious that Shanahan even allowing the possibility of letting him practice without needing to pass the test is a perfect indication of Albert malciously mailing it in, cooking it up, DESPITE advising from the medical staff. Sure, you can form opinions, but opinions formed from suspect assumptions deserve be critiqued, regardless of the subject matter's flaws. It makes perfect sense. Mike Shanahan, strict disciplinarian who should be just as angry with Haynesworth as he was with Plummer, yet he instead of squeezing the vicegrip tighter, allows the possibility of loosening it should the knee situation take a long enough time. It makes perfect sense. NOT.

And Albert Haynesworth, naive, immature, and maybe just a bit paranoid, probably felt the an anvil fall on his head as he realizes that most of the practice he's getting is at RDE. Like a little kid who tries too hard to make up for his mistake, he continues to dig himself a deeper hole, despite his an apparent desire .

"But these reporters don't know what they're talking about. Al is deliberately bombing because I WANNA BELIEVE IT. My judgement is right. Nice try, SCP, you're just best friends with Al Haynesworth. Your emotive ques tell me everything I need to know"

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[quote=htownskinfan;717201]no shit,I'm not going to read all these post either so it could have been mentioned already.I just saw a video of Mike Golic running this and passing with no prep,if he can do it then Haynesworth should be able to do it with no problem[/quote]
There's also a video of a woman tv news reporter local to the D.C. area taking the test.
I believe she only missed passing by a couple of seconds.

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Does anybody else think Haynesworth might not be passing because he doesn't want to pass so he can't practice?

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[quote=mooby;717209]Does anybody else think Haynesworth might not be passing because he doesn't want to pass so he can't practice?[/quote]

well i do, but SirClintonPortis might have something to say about it

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;717205]Argumentum ad hominem right from the get go. I didn't like Haynesworth silly antics in the offseason, especially when he had his chance to avoid being in the 3-4 if he really wanted to. But, these media firestorms are fertile ground for libel and defamation, territory I have no desire to wander into.

Besides, your statements have a "He has been blah blah" or "He is going to blah blah blah", which means that you are asserting a certain property to him, which means you are asserting a FACT. I dispute that your statement is actually FACT, and instead that is insuffcient evidence to deem it as fact, and that the actual facts point towards the opposite.
Yeah, it's quite obvious that Shanahan even allowing the possibility of letting him practice without needing to pass the test is a perfect indication of Albert malciously mailing it in, cooking it up, DESPITE advising from the medical staff. Sure, you can form opinions, but opinions formed from suspect assumptions deserve be critiqued, regardless of the subject matter's flaws. It makes perfect sense. Mike Shanahan, strict disciplinarian who should be just as angry with Haynesworth as he was with Plummer, yet he instead of squeezing the vicegrip tighter, allows the possibility of loosening it should the knee situation take a long enough time. It makes perfect sense. NOT.

And Albert Haynesworth, naive, immature, and maybe just a bit paranoid, probably felt the an anvil fall on his head as he realizes that most of the practice he's getting is at RDE. Like a little kid who tries too hard to make up for his mistake, he continues to dig himself a deeper hole, despite his an apparent desire .

"But these reporters don't know what they're talking about. Al is deliberately bombing because I WANNA BELIEVE IT. My judgement is right. Nice try, SCP, you're just best friends with Al Haynesworth. Your emotive ques tell me everything I need to know"[/quote]

c'mon man you know it's just how i feel. if i say "he is ugly", though it is technically me sighting a fact, you know it's my opinion. my gut is telling me that he is not giving this 100%. i'm not going to sit here and argue with you because in the end we're rooting for the same team. say what you want to say about how i feel, but there's no need to be hostile. lighten up...

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/04/daniel-snyder-say-he-once-tried-the-conditioning-test/]Daniel Snyder say he once tried the conditioning test | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=mooby;717209]Does anybody else think Haynesworth might not be passing because he doesn't want to pass so he can't practice?[/quote]

I highly doubt it because of the following:

1. Mike Shanahan wouldn't allow this to happen. If it were the case, I would imagine he'd put the conditioning test aside and make him practice.

2. While AH has done dumb things in the past, this would be REALLY stupid of him to do.

Personally, I think people need to over-analyze this situation. There are more important things to discuss and over-analyze.

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[quote=Ruhskins;717264]I highly doubt it because of the following:

1. Mike Shanahan wouldn't allow this to happen. If it were the case, I would imagine he'd put the conditioning test aside and make him practice.

2. While AH has done dumb things in the past, this would be REALLY stupid of him to do.

Personally, I think people need to over-analyze this situation. There are more important things to discuss and over-analyze.[/quote]

Soon, Albert is going to get pissed off and start stepping on some heads.

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[quote=mooby;717209]Does anybody else think Haynesworth might not be passing because he doesn't want to pass so he can't practice?[/quote]

At this point, yes. He's NOT in that bad of shape.

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[quote=Ruhskins;717264]

2. While AH has done dumb things in the past, this would be REALLY stupid of him to do.
[/quote]


Yes, but this is Albert Haynesworth. I saw an interview last year about him talking about playing with his daughter's dolls.

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However, I truly believe that starting in Week 1, all of this media-driven circus drama will not mean a thing, Shanahan will run a tight ship and we'll be seeing more of this:

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[quote=Buster;717275]Yes, but this is Albert Haynesworth. I saw an interview last year about him talking about playing with his daughter's dolls.[/quote]

Given how Shanahan has beaten the hell out of him in the public eye, do you really think he'd let him get away with this?

If AH is really faking all of this to not practice, then either MS is really dumb for not noticing or AH is doing a helluva job hiding it from him.

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Don't think he's faking it, the team doctors are holding him out. He's not staying out on his own.