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Quinn is a hybrid LB/DE similar to Orakpo, he is regarded as a top 3 Rusher

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But the character issues. I don't wanna deal with some guy who parties till 4 in the morning and gets into major trouble.

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[quote=musicmaster45;787649]Ok i don't see the greatness with quinn. And is he the one who missed a whole year with character issues?[/quote]

His ability to go through blockers and get into the backfield is top class.
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His bull rush personally reminds me a lot of Orakpo. If he develops a counter move or two he'll be unstoppable.

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[quote=musicmaster45;787649]Ok i don't see the greatness with quinn. And is he the one who missed a whole year with character issues?[/quote]

Not character issues. He and his family accepted money and gifts from an agent, and initially Quinn didn't admit to it. But then did and admitted he was just scared of the repercussion and trying to protect his family. He's a good kid, who's been through a lot.

His suspension reminds me in many ways of Jeremy Jarmon....what are the plans for him by the way

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Quinn IMO is not worth being selected #10. Not because of character but because he's too big 2 play Will or in a 3-4. He'll be a slightly above average DE in the NFL. Reminds me of a young Phillip Dainels.

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[quote=vallin21;787673]Quinn IMO is not worth being selected #10. Not because of character but because he's too big 2 play Will or in a 3-4. He'll be a slightly above average DE in the NFL. Reminds me of a young Phillip Dainels.[/quote]

To me Quinn is an Orakpo clone. If anything a guy that can move like him at his size and play the will is a huge luxury. From what I've seen he uses that same bull rush that frequently gets Orakpo held. In his last season he had 11 sacks along with 19 TFL (which is counted separately). That is not your traditional anchor left end/Daniels prototype.

Also his "character" issues are vastly overstated. It's sad that a guy like Cam Newton gets to play all season but someone like Quinn is suspended for the entire season.

[quote]Intangibles - 1 -Very humble about his abilities. Dedicated and passionate about the game. Recipient of ACC's Brian Piccolo Award in 2007 as league's most courageous player.[/quote]

The real concerns about Quinn are as follows:
1. How is he in coverage?
2. How will he respond to a new level of competition after a year off at his previous level?
3. Is his Brain Tumor still benign?

His ability to rush the passer and make plays in the back field on the other hand should be unquestioned.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;787675]To me Quinn is an Orakpo clone. If anything a guy that can move like him at his size and play the will is a huge luxury. From what I've seen he uses that same bull rush that frequently gets Orakpo held. In his last season he had 11 sacks along with 19 TFL (which is counted separately). That is not your traditional anchor left end/Daniels prototype.

Also his "character" issues are vastly overstated. It's sad that a guy like Cam Newton gets to play all season but someone like Quinn is suspended for the entire season.



The real concerns about Quinn are as follows:
1. How is he in coverage?
2. How will he respond to a new level of competition after a year off at his previous level?
3. Is his Brain Tumor still benign?

His ability to rush the passer and make plays in the back field on the other hand should be unquestioned.[/quote]

Ok, but it seems like he doesn't have the same explosive, acceleration that Rak has. I was going to ask can he cover? Depending on how well he does in that area will determine whether he is a DE or a hybrid. Didn't know about the brain Tumor, hopefully that's gone. And lastly character, which I don't put much into. If you can play football and help your team win that's all that matters. But he was taking jewlery? C'mon. I have to wonder what he'll do when he gets that first big check. I could be wrong, but as a former college player, taking jewery over a chance to play the game of football just isn't cool with me.

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I thought he took jewelry from a jewelry dealer not understanding that there is no distinction between taking gifts from a private citizen or an agent. From what I read, he was naive. This isn't a kid that's been participating in illegal activities at least from all reports I've seen, it's a case of a kid making a bad decision.
How many of us at that age made worse decisions than that? I work in a prison full of those kids.

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[url=http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/9926.html]SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room[/url]

Blitz/coverage: Is explosive off the ball and has an excellent closing burst to the quarterback. Dips shoulder and turns the corner well with offensive tackles leaning on him, but is not consistent as an edge rusher. Has a good spin move to beat tackles inside or outside. Tends to get up high when close to the quarterback, which leads to him running past and missing easy sacks. Grade: 8.5

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[quote=vallin21;787678]Ok, but it seems like he doesn't have the same explosive, acceleration that Rak has. I was going to ask can he cover? Depending on how well he does in that area will determine whether he is a DE or a hybrid. Didn't know about the brain Tumor, hopefully that's gone. And lastly character, which I don't put much into. If you can play football and help your team win that's all that matters. But he was taking jewlery? C'mon. I have to wonder what he'll do when he gets that first big check. I could be wrong, but as a former college player, taking jewery over a chance to play the game of football just isn't cool with me.[/quote]


Maybe that's all that matters to YOU....

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[quote=tryfuhl;787453][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_first-round_draft_picks]List of Washington Redskins first-round draft picks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]

Thanks! Don't know why I didn't just do that.

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[url=http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2011/03/rivera-hitting-road-to-see-newton.html]Inside the Panthers: Rivera hitting road to see Newton[/url]

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Best case scenario is trading back and picking up an additional second round pick and then with our 3 picks second and first round taking a combo of NT, QB, and DE/OLB.

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[quote=Chico23231;787855]Best case scenario is trading back and picking up an additional second round pick and then with our 3 picks second and first round taking a combo of NT, QB, and DE/OLB.[/quote]

Sounds about right to me. Dallas may screw up our chances of trading back.

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The Redskins officials conducting the interview included Snyder. Interesting when you're talking about a player projected to be less than a 1st round pick.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/baylors-phil-taylor-attracts-r.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Baylor's Phil Taylor attracts Redskins' interest[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;787889]The Redskins officials conducting the interview included Snyder. Interesting when you're talking about a player projected to be less than a 1st round pick.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/baylors-phil-taylor-attracts-r.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Baylor's Phil Taylor attracts Redskins' interest[/url][/quote]

He won't be selected 10th overall, that's for sure. Not a dominating prospect in my opinion.

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[quote=diehard;787892]He won't be selected 10th overall, that's for sure. Not a dominating prospect in my opinion.[/quote]

I agree.......just thought Snyder was out of the business of conducting interviews.

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[quote=Longtimefan;787889]The Redskins officials conducting the interview included Snyder. Interesting when you're talking about a player projected to be less than a 1st round pick.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/baylors-phil-taylor-attracts-r.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Baylor's Phil Taylor attracts Redskins' interest[/url][/quote]

Taylors good, but like the article said, he is a late first round pick and 10 is too high for us to take him, and and 42 is too low.

I think Kenrick Ellis and Jerrell Powe are just as good as Taylor, and just as capable of playing the NT position effectively as he would.

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NT is a very hard position to pick, it's like drawing straws. Most drafts NTs Are 50-50

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[quote=skinsfaninok;787940]NT is a very hard position to pick, it's like drawing straws. Most drafts NTs Are 50-50[/quote]

I think Steve Young said it best, to paraphrase him, DT (or NT) is a position in which desire determines success as much as anything. I know that could be said of any position, but the point he was making is that DT/NT's can have a thankless job, getting double-teamed, ending up on the bottom of a pile of 300+ lb. men. It would be easy to give up on many plays at that position, and that's what a lot of them get a bad rep for, e.g. Rogers, Haynesworth to name a couple. Taylor has the same rep to some degree.

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[quote=freddyg12;787962]I think Steve Young said it best, to paraphrase him, DT (or NT) is a position in which desire determines success as much as anything. I know that could be said of any position, but the point he was making is that DT/NT's can have a thankless job, getting double-teamed, ending up on the bottom of a pile of 300+ lb. men. It would be easy to give up on many plays at that position, and that's what a lot of them get a bad rep for, e.g. Rogers, Haynesworth to name a couple. Taylor has the same rep to some degree.[/quote]

Well Haynesworth is not a 3-4 NT. And the team either needs to get a 3-4 NT veteran (but not another Kemo) or develop one from the draft.

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[quote=Ruhskins;787974]Well Haynesworth is not a 3-4 NT. And the team either needs to get a 3-4 NT veteran (but not another Kemo) or develop one from the draft.[/quote]

Agreed, though Bryant was a pleasant surprise late last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;787974]Well Haynesworth is not a 3-4 NT. And the team either needs to get a 3-4 NT veteran (but not another Kemo) or develop one from the draft.[/quote]

I think Bryant could be what we are looking for. Get a serviceable FA NT or a late round project NT to rotate in with Bryant and I think we will be okay. We have so many needs I'd like to see them address with higher picks elsewhere. Or if we can get a steal for the NT kid from Baylor I'd be okay with that too.

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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/08/arkansas-qb-mallett-runs-40-at-pro-day/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Arkansas QB Mallett runs 40 at pro day «[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;787991]I think Bryant could be what we are looking for. [B]Get a serviceable FA NT or a late round project NT[/B] to rotate in with Bryant and I think we will be okay. We have so many needs I'd like to see them address with higher picks elsewhere. Or if we can get a steal for the NT kid from Baylor I'd be okay with that too.[/quote]

I think that the NT is the most important position in a 3-4. What this means is that you want more than a "serviceable" NT IMHO. To have a dominant 3-4 means having a dominant NT, not a "serviceable" NT. Sure, you can have a vanilla joe for rotational depth, but your #1 guy should be a monster.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;788042][URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/08/arkansas-qb-mallett-runs-40-at-pro-day/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Arkansas QB Mallett runs 40 at pro day «[/URL][/quote]

damn that's slow...

but he's not going to earn his pay running around so no big deal

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He's a slow Byron Leftwich. His release may be quicker than BL's though. Mallet does not look like a west coast qb. Al Davis is the most likely to nab him in the 1st round, unless he still is high on JC.

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[quote=Lotus;788060]I think that the NT is the most important position in a 3-4. What this means is that you want more than a "serviceable" NT IMHO. To have a dominant 3-4 means having a dominant NT, not a "serviceable" NT. Sure, you can have a vanilla joe for rotational depth, but your #1 guy should be a monster.[/quote]

This seems to be an opinion that some analysts have voiced too, though I can't recall exactly who. It makes sense, a dominant NT makes the O mismatched right from/at the snap.

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[quote=Lotus;788060]I think that the NT is the most important position in a 3-4. What this means is that you want more than a "serviceable" NT IMHO. To have a dominant 3-4 means having a dominant NT, not a "serviceable" NT. Sure, you can have a vanilla joe for rotational depth, but your #1 guy should be a monster.[/quote]

Agreed. What we had last year were serviceable nose tackles. Time to find a stud.

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[quote=freddyg12;788064][B]He's a slow Byron Leftwich[/B]. His release may be quicker than BL's though. Mallet does not look like a west coast qb. Al Davis is the most likely to nab him in the 1st round, unless he still is high on JC.[/quote]


Byron was fast?

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[quote=Lotus;788060]I think that the NT is the most important position in a 3-4. What this means is that you want more than a "serviceable" NT IMHO. To have a dominant 3-4 means having a dominant NT, not a "serviceable" NT. Sure, you can have a vanilla joe for rotational depth, but your #1 guy should be a monster.[/quote]

NT followed by RDE as a very close second.
You gotta have at least 1 guy up front that can consistently beat 1-v-1 blocking to the point where they can command a double team.

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[quote=Lotus;788060]I think that the NT is the most important position in a 3-4. What this means is that you want more than a "serviceable" NT IMHO. To have a dominant 3-4 means having a dominant NT, not a "serviceable" NT. Sure, you can have a vanilla joe for rotational depth, but your #1 guy should be a monster.[/quote]

I totally agree with you. I guess I did not specify enough. I think that we should get a serviceable NT for this year. You can't fix every position in one year. It is going to take time. Unless a miracle happens we aren't going deep in the playoffs next year anyway.

Don't waste a draft pick on an important position, especially a pick that reaches, when we have tons of other needs at other positions and could probably get the BPA at another position instead of a NT.

That way, we can improve the other positions with a more long term high quality pick and fill the NT position next year in the offseason or in the draft when there is hopefully a more highly touted prospect available and we have less pieces of the puzzle to figure out.

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[quote=SkinzWin;788138]I totally agree with you. I guess I did not specify enough. I think that we should get a serviceable NT for this year. You can't fix every position in one year. It is going to take time. Unless a miracle happens we aren't going deep in the playoffs next year anyway.[/quote]

If I understand you right I think I agree.

My view is that our defense was sos bad last year at 2 key positions along the DL: RDE and NT that simply having [I]serviceable[/I] play will be an improvement.

BTW-I think that Anthony Bryant can be part of the improvement at NT

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[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2011/03/09/more-on-mike-shanahan-drafts-via-scorecasting/]More On Mike Shanahan Drafts, Via Scorecasting[/url]

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Anyone know who Kiper has us drafting in his new mock 3.0 released today?

I just know the top four picks so far as Newton jumps to #4 and the Bengals. Anyone know the top ten?

Much appreciated.

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Recap of Mel Kiper's phone conference in regards to the Redskins and the draft.

[url=http://fans.redskinsrule.com/_Mel-tells/blog/3376963/54110.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Mel tells - Redskins Rule Blog post - Ultimate Fan Community[/url]

If none of the top two QBs are at #10, it seems that the Redskins will need to decide on either a NT or a QB in the 2nd round.

Since the draft is deep in d-lineman, I'd trade down, pick up the best NT in the bottom of the first round, and hopefully have either have an additional 2nd rounder or a 3rd rounder from the trade down to pick up a QB/RB/or interior lineman.

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Julio Jones

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I think Mike Shanahan will finished what he started last draft and tidy up the OL-RT. They could even drop down in the draft, picking up a pick or two, and still get a very good rookie RT.

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Thanks much!

I'm not sure if I would be upset with a beast WR.

But with our track record of drafting receivers in the first two rounds I know I would be nervous.

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[quote=SmootSmack;788298]Julio Jones[/quote]

Wait..........is that what you're currently hearing ??.............I'm kinda hoping for that. Alot of people on here are ruined by the DT and MK draft picks that they want nothing to do with a WR with our first pick. I say do it . JJ will be a beast