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[quote=skinsfan_nn;770896]I would hope we have learned from that as we should be drafting very high Top 10, NO to AJ Green!
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if there is any chance in hell of him being available when we are up it would be one of the biggest steals in recent draft history, ag green is will be gone in the top 5 maybe 3 picks, we would be lucky as hell to steal him around 9 or wherever we may end up

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;770902]We have the 2nd rounder for 2011. What we lost was the pick that was eventually used on Nate Allen.[/quote]


Yes..I was incorrect. Its the 3rd/4th round pick I believe we are short on the 2011 draft for dmac/brown.

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[quote=Big C;770897]wide receiver is up there with o-line and d-line. we also need another rush outside linebacker to help take pressure off of orakpo. justin blackmon would be a great pick in the first round depending on where we end up. maybe ricky stanzi in the 4th or 5th round.[/quote]

Yeah, the only area I would stay away from with the first pick is secondary and running back. I might make an exception if there was a world-class free safety sitting there.

I'm torn on the wideout issue. What are we lacking more: A big play WR? Or a NT that can clog the middle and anchor the D?

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[quote=Beemnseven;770918]Yeah, the only area I would stay away from with the first pick is secondary and running back. I might make an exception if there was a world-class free safety sitting there.

I'm torn on the wideout issue. [B]What are we lacking more: A big play WR? Or a NT that can clog the middle and anchor the D[/B]?[/quote]No question NT.

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Line play is where it's at! Reinforcing our O-line will make all the skill positions look much improved. Not the total answer at reciever, but.......AND we have to get some help in the middle on D.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;770921]No question NT.[/quote]

but is there a nose tackle that is worthy of a first rounder this year? i cant think of one off the top of my head. i think we may go through free agency to fill that need. at this point, im thinking wide receiver, there are a lot of good ones this year most likely in the first round. green, blackmon, julio jones, baldwin, etc.

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I'm hoping we can pick up Andrew Luck if we're in the top 8

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[quote=rbanerjee23;770933]I'm hoping we can pick up Andrew Luck if we're in the top 8[/quote]

No chance. With all the top picking teams that need a QB he will be gone in the first 2-3 picks, at worst. Probably 1 overall. We would have to trade up and give up more draft picks and I don't think anyone wants to do that. If we were going to do it we should have done it last year with Bradford. That's why I posed the question earlier about Cam Newton. I think he might, MIGHT, be someone who could slip down to around the 8-10 area where we might have a shot. He was still there, does anyone think Shanny would bite? Would he be a good scheme fit or another Jason Campbell?

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[quote=SkinzWin;770938]No chance. With all the top picking teams that need a QB he will be gone in the first 2-3 picks, at worst. Probably 1 overall. We would have to trade up and give up more draft picks and I don't think anyone wants to do that. If we were going to do it we should have done it last year with Bradford. That's why I posed the question earlier about Cam Newton. I think he might, MIGHT, be someone who could slip down to around the 8-10 area where we might have a shot. He was still there, does anyone think Shanny would bite? Would he be a good scheme fit or another Jason Campbell?[/quote]

or another jamarcus russell.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;770939]or another jamarcus russell.[/quote]

Only if we value such things like Al Davis does.

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[quote=Big C;770928]but is there a nose tackle that is worthy of a first rounder this year? i cant think of one off the top of my head. i think we may go through free agency to fill that need. at this point, im thinking wide receiver, there are a lot of good ones this year most likely in the first round. green, blackmon, julio jones, baldwin, etc.[/quote]

And what if we go after Vincent Jackson, or Eddie Royal?

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[quote=SkinzWin;770938]No chance. With all the top picking teams that need a QB he will be gone in the first 2-3 picks, at worst. Probably 1 overall. We would have to trade up and give up more draft picks and I don't think anyone wants to do that. If we were going to do it we should have done it last year with Bradford. That's why I posed the question earlier about Cam Newton. I think he might, MIGHT, be someone who could slip down to around the 8-10 area where we might have a shot. He was still there, does anyone think Shanny would bite? Would he be a good scheme fit or another Jason Campbell?[/quote]

kellen moore perhaps? or we trade down and parlay that pick into a first and maybe a few second round picks. Alls I can say is, I am thoroughly disgusted by Shanahan and Allen's first year, I had so much faith in these guys and they have shown themselves to be just as incompetent as the previous bunch. I am all for giving them another year or two to prove themselves but the Jammal Brown trade was a bust, they didn't upgrade the defense, wasted a few picks on McNabb, just an awful performance by the front office.

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[quote=SmootSmack;770944]And what if we go after Vincent Jackson, or Eddie Royal?[/quote]

What impact do you think that might have on our draft?

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[quote=SmootSmack;770944]And what if we go after Vincent Jackson, or Eddie Royal?[/quote]

I can see royal or Malcolm floyd but prob not VJax, I doubt they let him go. I still think Kelly can be a good WR

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[quote=rbanerjee23;770945]kellen moore perhaps? or we trade down and parlay that pick into a first and maybe a few second round picks. Alls I can say is, I am thoroughly disgusted by Shanahan and Allen's first year, I had so much faith in these guys and they have shown themselves to be just as incompetent as the previous bunch. I am all for giving them another year or two to prove themselves but the Jammal Brown trade was a bust, they didn't upgrade the defense, wasted a few picks on McNabb, just an awful performance by the front office.[/quote]

Yes some mistakes were made, but bad move picking Williams over Okung? I think not. Rome was not built in a day. Whose to say Brown can't come back and have a good year next year?

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[quote=SkinzWin;770948]What impact do you think that might have on our draft?[/quote]

Well, last I heard and if course this stuff changes all the time (and this front office us much better at misdirection) the Redskins weren't planning to address their WR needs in the draft, not high in the draft at least. Sobieski know they like Kelly and Royal, so maybe those are the new guys? Guess we'll gave to see also what they do with Moss

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[quote=SmootSmack;770956]Well, last I heard and if course this stuff changes all the time (and this front office us much better at misdirection) the Redskins weren't planning to address their WR needs in the draft, not high in the draft at least. Sobieski know they like Kelly and Royal, so maybe those are the new guys? Guess we'll gave to see also what they do with Moss[/quote]

I Say keep moss and AA, add royal and Kelly (if healthy) and give banks some more reps at WR. Although I really would like to see A BIG WR here next season

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Maybe go get floyd Instead of royal? Or add royal and cut moss

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770961]I Say keep moss and AA, add royal and Kelly (if healthy) and give banks some more reps at WR. Although I really would like to see A BIG WR here next season[/quote]

Agreed there. We also need a lot of help with RB depth. Torain is good but a health issue. You think we look to FA to address RB depth as well? Who will be available?

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Well I'm not SS but id say we keep Torain and Williams and go from there. I'd like to see Ol and WR help asap.. Go get a QB if u can in the 1st round

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[quote=SmootSmack;770944]And what if we go after Vincent Jackson, or Eddie Royal?[/quote]

jackson would change things somewhat, but imo royal is not a number 1 receiver, and im a VT alum so im without bias here on royal. plus im not sure id want jackson with the contract crap he pulled with the chargers either way.

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I would like to see us trade down(hopefully adding a 3rd rounder) to where ever Locker is slated and grab a few bull rushing DE/DT types in the 2nd/3rd rounds. Someone like Christian Ballard from Iowa(homer pick).

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[quote=Big C;770979]jackson would change things somewhat, but imo royal is not a number 1 receiver, and im a VT alum so im without bias here on royal. plus im not sure id want jackson with the contract crap he pulled with the chargers either way.[/quote]

I would tend to agree re: Royal. I'd rather see what Austin and Banks can do, plus acquiring Royal would likely mean a trade of some sort since I don't believe he's a free agent.

Who knows if we will actually go after him. But the guy who told me Skins are strongly interested told me three things last winter, that the Skins would sign Torain and Grossman and trade for Jammal Brown. So I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's also told me Davin Joseph and a LB (I don't know if he knows who) are high on our radar as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;771009]I would tend to agree re: Royal. I'd rather see what Austin and Banks can do, plus acquiring Royal would likely mean a trade of some sort since I don't believe he's a free agent.

Who knows if we will actually go after him. But the guy who told me Skins are strongly interested told me three things last winter, that the Skins would sign Torain and Grossman and trade for Jammal Brown. So I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's also told me Davin Joseph and a LB (I don't know if he knows who) are high on our radar as well.[/quote]

Well I'll tale his word then lol Joseph would be a good pickup another former sooner? Mike did coach at OU a long time ago lol

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[QUOTE=Big C;770875]i could counter and say who was the last 1st round qb that we drafted to make it? jason campbell? patrick ramsey? heath schuler? we havent done a good job at all at drafting qbs high the few times we have.

my basic point is that id rather draft a different position in the first round and get a guy to develop behind whoever our starter is, whether it be in the second round or later. im really not sold on anyone but luck as an elite qb this year, and hes only a redshirt sophomore this year.[/QUOTE]

And my counter point is to look at where the top QB's in the league were drafted. Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning , Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothelisberger, Eli Manning, Josh Freeman, Mike Vick. Even our very own Donovan McNabb was a first rounder

You think the first round hit rate is bad yet you completely ignore what is virtually a 0% hit rate of second round QB's over the past decade. Kellen Clemons, Tarvaris Jackson, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Kevin Kolb, Pat White, Jimmy Clausen, Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo.

Out of that group Kolb is the only one on track to have a productive career. Clausen might turn into something but chances are he won't. These are the type of guys you find in the second round. (As I pointed out before Brees was selected 32nd overall which today is a 1st round pick, which in turn is moot for anyone lobbying to draft a QB in the second round in 2011, and by the way Brees sucked until 2004 which ironically was the same year the Chargers said enough and drafted Phillip Rivers).

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^ good post DB, what's your take on a QB in the 1st? Honestly I'm not really convinced on this class of signal callers.. If newton is there do we take him? Or do we look at a QB in FA or trade? Alot of options right now

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771015]^ good post DB, what's your take on a QB in the 1st? Honestly I'm not really convinced on this class of signal callers.. If newton is there do we take him? Or do we look at a QB in FA or trade? Alot of options right now[/quote]

I have my doubts about Locker. However as Tripp pointed out to me earlier in the week Locker is very similar to Jay Cutler coming out of Vanderbilt. A physically talented signal caller with a terrible supporting cast, only real difference is that Locker has great straight line speed. Personally I think this is the guy they're targeting. Shanahan liked him a lot last year (almost as much as Bradford) and this was when Locker would have been all but guaranteed to be the top pick in the draft.

Mallet to me seems like a safer pick and reminds me a lot of Matt Schuab which given Kyle Shanahan's experience in Houston can only be a good thing. However that lack of mobility in an offense where bootlegs are a staple kind of worries me. My other concern is that with Luck all but certain to stay another year that he could get picked before we go on the clock. It's not that I'm dead set on having Mallet but I would like to have options. Either way I'm impressed. He did a good job of continuing his development as a passer

Newton is my least favorite as he comes from a spread option offense. I've personally described him as Tim Tebow with a smooth delivery. He also doesn't seem to have the best head on his shoulders. The guy was kicked out of Florida for steeling laptops and the only thing I know about his support structure is he has a father that put his sons eligibility and college education on the line by asking schools for money. I mean if thats the father then what does the rest of his support group look like? Basically he's the last person I want to give millions of dollars to.

On top of that he runs to much for my liking. His passing numbers are efficent but when you rely on your legs to the tune of a 1,000 yards rushing I'm inclined to doubt how well you can throw the ball at the next level.

My only real stake in Newton is having him as a buffer that helps insure the Skins get to pick between Mallet and Locker.

Luck is a pipe dream whenever he comes out. The best we can hope for as it relates to Luck is that he ends up in the AFC because come playoff time he's one of the last QB's I want to see.

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I don't think Luck is going pro this season from his comments, it sounds like he wants to stay in school for one more season. I won't be disappointed if he doesn't, I don't think we would've had a shot at him anyways.

As for wideout, I don't think we're as bad off as people believe. AA has 40 catches for 772 yards this season, which is probably more production than we've had at the #2 wideout spot in a while. Those are CC type numbers, which makes the fact that Cooley is still putting up good numbers even better, because for a while Moss and Cooley have been our top two options in the offense. Going into next season, I think our focus needs to be on the offensive line, getting a qb in the draft, and the defense. I don't get what people want more from Moss. I know his drop at the end of the game yesterday probably cost us bigtime, but more often than not he makes those catches.

I like what Rex did yesterday but you can't discount the turnovers. I won't include the pick at the end of the game, but his first pick and his fumble directly lead to 14 Dallas points. I know Rex did great throwing 4 td passes but since two of his turnovers lead to 14 Dallas points 2 of those touchdown passes didn't mean anything. I loved the game he played today except for the sacks and turnovers, and he def. proved the coaches right in benching McNabb. Sucks for McNabb now too because now people aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt, when this came out practically everybody was on his side.

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Saying this defense is an embarrassment is truly an understatement. Most of the talk following the game has been centered around the play of Rex Grossman, and based on his performance [minus the turnovers] was remarkable considering his limited playing time since 2008. Four TD passes, 322 yds.....numbers that should on most Sunday's produce a win, left the team just short once again.

This team needs more of a fix on defense than any other part. The offense demonstrated yesterday that it's major deficiency this season has been it's signal caller. Granted, Grossman's performance came against the 25th ranked defense in the league, there was still a fluidity to the offense not witnessed before.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121904266.html]Redskins vs. Cowboys: For amount of yards given up, team has no defense[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;770961]I Say keep moss and AA, add royal and Kelly (if healthy) and give banks some more reps at WR. Although I really would like to see A BIG WR here next season[/quote]

A BIG wide receiver? Haven't we tried that? Remember, we passed up on Desean Jackson because the thought was we just HAD to have a wideout over 6'2".

I'm sick of the tall wide receiver argument -- just get a guy who's fast, and who knows how to run routes correctly. If he's over six feet, great, but I don't think that matters much anymore.

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[quote=Beemnseven;771029]A BIG wide receiver? Haven't we tried that? Remember, we passed up on Desean Jackson because the thought was we just HAD to have a wideout over 6'2".

I'm sick of the tall wide receiver argument -- just get a guy who's fast, and who knows how to run routes correctly. If he's over six feet, great, but I don't think that matters much anymore.[/quote]

Seriously. As long as he runs good routes and can catch the ball, I wouldn't care if he weighed as much as an offensive lineman. Why do we need a big wideout? I think people confuse big with good. Look at every wideout above say 6'2, in the league today. Then look at how many of them are actually good players who contribute. Big wideouts don't mean anything if they can't catch the ball or run good routes.

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I'm not happy we lost but I was pretty pleased with the way we played overall. Pleased enough to do something i never do the morning after a loss, and that's watch ESPN. I always avoid watching because I'd like a day without reminders that we lost and other guys won, but today I don't mind as much.

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[quote=SmootSmack;771032]I'm not happy we lost but I was pretty pleased with the way we played overall. Pleased enough to do something i never do the morning after a loss, and that's watch ESPN. I always avoid watching because I'd like a day without reminders that we lost and other guys won, but today I don't mind as much.[/quote]

I'll take a loss like the Skins anyday .The team played and came around,everyone gave effort and although it wasn't a win I beleive your team turned a corner .The Giants don't deserve to make the playoffs.

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Step back from the ledge Giantone....or Jump, I can understand you going either way really

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[quote=SmootSmack;771032]I'm not happy we lost but I was pretty pleased with the way we played overall. Pleased enough to do something i never do the morning after a loss, and that's watch ESPN. I always avoid watching because I'd like a day without reminders that we lost and other guys won, but today I don't mind as much.[/quote]

Yep, I avoid SC at all costs after a loss. I've been doing alot of that recently w/ the McNabb drama and the "skins bashing."

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[quote=Giantone;771046]I'll take a loss like the Skins anyday .The team played and came around,everyone gave effort and although it wasn't a win I beleive your team turned a corner .The Giants don't deserve to make the playoffs.[/quote]

Well in the Giants defense they played well for 3 quarters, it's just the Eagles finally got wise to how your defense was playing and adjusted. As soon as the Eagles adjusted the Giants d should've adjusted accordingly, but they didn't, and you guys lost. That's not to say Vick couldn't have beaten you if you backed off the blitzes a bit and played more coverage, but hey, hindsight is 20/20.

And it doesn't help that your rookie punter kicked a really poor punt at the end of the game that one of the most dangerous punt returners in the game took back to the house. I wouldn't be suprised if he's cut tomorrow. That was just a dumb mistake not punting it out of bounds, and on top of that, it had poor hang time and it was a line drive. That's like a recipe for a punt return touchdown.

As for the Skins, as soon as Moss dropped the pass, I was sittin there thinking, man I hope we don't regret that later. 2 huge sacks and almost 20 yards lost later, I was like, if they end up with a short field it doesn't bode well for our chances. 20 yards gained by the Cowboys later after starting near the 50, I was like, our chances are slimming by the second. Overall though this loss was much easier to take, when we were down 27-7 I thought things were pretty grim but Grossman and the offense showed some big time resolve in coming back to tie the game.

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[quote=mooby;771052]As for the Skins, as soon as Moss dropped the pass, I was sittin there thinking, man I hope we don't regret that later. 2 huge sacks and almost 20 yards lost later, I was like, if they end up with a short field it doesn't bode well for our chances. 20 yards gained by the Cowboys later after starting near the 50, I was like, our chances are slimming by the second. Overall though this loss was much easier to take, when we were down 27-7 I thought things were pretty grim but Grossman and the offense showed some big time resolve in coming back to tie the game.[/quote]


Agree, I know I shouldnt care about being "IN" a game but I do, after the recent pathetic efforts this team has put out, it was nice to see us dominating someone for a few quarters, even if we did lose in the end.

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Considering Rex had not played in a few years I really thought Rex did a nice job. He actually hit guys without making them have to reach back or forward for the ball. The defense still sucks but what else is new? Haslett needs to go asap. The guy just looks lost out there.

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[quote=mooby;771052]Well in the Giants defense they played well for 3 quarters,.[/quote]


Sorry I must correct you,they played well for ....53 mins.....but as they are learning this morning the game is 60 mins long.

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[quote=Jontrem;771047]Step back from the ledge Giantone....or Jump, I can understand you going either way really[/quote]


I lived through 1 "miracle in the Meadowlands"....no need to christen the new place.