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[quote=RedskinRat;877110][I]“They have to capture them--then capture them in families."[/I]

Hilarious.

Introduce a natural predator or two. Can't we ship in some pythons living in Florida?[/quote]

Oh, finally the [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/in-florida-everglades-pythons-and-anacondas-dominate-food-chain/2012/01/30/gIQAULTVdQ_story.html?hpid=z2"]WP[/URL] gets on this.....

Crocs getting their asses kicked by snakes.....wow!

How long until the first kid or AARP member goes down?

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[quote=NC_Skins;879544][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/golden-parachutes-21-ceos-landed-100m-plus-123243881--abc-news.html"]Golden Parachutes: 21 CEOs Landed $100M Plus - Yahoo! News[/URL]

..but guys..hard work....every american can do this.....blah..blah....blah.




Absolutely no excuse for this shit. Can't wait till the revolution begins. I'm burning some bitches houses down, and I can start with this list.[/quote]

Your pissed at the wrong people. Its the board and the stock holders that vote on this crap. Too long the stock holders have not cared because they have been getting good returns. Now that thing have gone south they now seem to care.

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then why is the right so pissed off about the unions retirement pensions? wasn't there someone sitting across the table from them when they were negotiating?

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/greek-lawmakers-approve-austerity-bill-athens-burns-000952868.html]Greece still to convince Europe over rescue deal - Yahoo! News[/url]


Good. Burn the mother ****er down. It needs to be. However, I would say that these rioters should look up the residents of their government officials and burn their houses down. These are the corrupt assholes that caused the mess, so hold them accountable. It sucks those police guys are going to get burned and hurt, but when you are willing to do the bidding of evil men then you end up as collateral damage.


A glimpse of what's going to occur in this country sooner or later.

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[quote=firstdown;883949]Your pissed at the wrong people. Its the board and the stock holders that vote on this crap. Too long the stock holders have not cared because they have been getting good returns. Now that thing have gone south they now seem to care.[/quote]

No. I'm pissed at the right people. Who do you think owns a majority of stock in America? You guessed it. The rich. The rich are going to look after each other. It's what they do, it's what they always will do.

The majority of middle class American can't afford apple stocks, or oil stocks, or any other corporate type stock.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUDJlx5jEc&feature=related]Blowin' In The Wind - Joan Baez - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;884959][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/greek-lawmakers-approve-austerity-bill-athens-burns-000952868.html"]Greece still to convince Europe over rescue deal - Yahoo! News[/URL]


Good. Burn the mother ****er down. It needs to be. However, I would say that these rioters should look up the residents of their government officials and burn their houses down. These are the corrupt assholes that caused the mess, so hold them accountable. It sucks those police guys are going to get burned and hurt, but when you are willing to do the bidding of evil men then you end up as collateral damage.


A glimpse of what's going to occur in this country sooner or later.[/quote]

This is what happens when the people become to dependent on gov and think the gov. should provide for them. They ran out of money and the stupid protestors don't have the brains to realize there is no more money. Same thing will happen here if we don't control our spending.

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[quote=firstdown;884986]This is what happens when the people become to dependent on gov and think the gov. should provide for them. They ran out of money and the stupid protestors don't have the brains to realize there is no more money. Same thing will happen here if we don't control our spending.[/quote]

Hey, here's a idea? Try stop going to war so we can bolster our buddies oil stocks and the military industry's as well.

[url=http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending]Military spending: Defence costs | The Economist[/url]


Look at that shit. Really man? You ****ing kidding me?


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It's driven us to bankruptcy. Why? Because of our crooked politicians. That's why.

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[quote=NC_Skins;884960]No. I'm pissed at the right people. Who do you think owns a majority of stock in America? You guessed it. The rich. The rich are going to look after each other. It's what they do, it's what they always will do.

The majority of middle class American can't afford apple stocks, or oil stocks, or any other corporate type stock.[/quote]

Oftentimes, the biggest owner of stocks are investment companies who sell things like mutual funds, and a fair amount of Americans do invest in mutal funds. Apple, for example, has 70% of its shares held by "Institutional and Mutal Fund Owners".

And while the rich might support certain favors from government, at the same time, they are vying for customers. Every business owner, no matter how large or small, will fight for survival of their own before anyone else.

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Interesting.....
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=VxHfYNTrnic]Will Generation 'Gimme' Work for the American Dream? Eye-opening insight into America's youth - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;884991]Hey, here's a idea? Try stop going to war so we can bolster our buddies oil stocks and the military industry's as well.

[URL="http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending"]Military spending: Defence costs | The Economist[/URL]


Look at that shit. Really man? You ****ing kidding me?


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It's driven us to bankruptcy. Why? Because of our crooked politicians. That's why.[/quote]

Its also said that the spending has kept our freedom and what price would you put on freedom. I agree we need to cut military spending. As far as GDP we really do not spend that much more then other Countries.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;884997]Oftentimes, the biggest owner of stocks are investment companies who sell things like mutual funds, and a fair amount of Americans do invest in mutal funds. Apple, for example, has 70% of its shares held by "Institutional and Mutal Fund Owners".

And while the rich might support certain favors from government, at the same time, they are vying for customers. Every business owner, no matter how large or small, will fight for survival of their own before anyone else.[/quote]

Iwas going to explain that to him but was too lazy.

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[quote=firstdown;885261]Its also said that the spending has kept our freedom and what price would you put on freedom. I agree we need to cut military spending. As far as GDP we really do not spend that much more then other Countries.[/quote]

When ranked by % of GDP we are 9th behind mostly smaller countries like Oman, Jordan & Chad. Israel also spends more (%GDP wise) than us. We spend 4.7%. Russia spends 4.3% - it's just that GDP is so small compared to ours that, although they spend roughly the same percentage, the US's budget is about 13 times more than Russia in actual dollars spent.

Not judging - just pointing out the numbers.

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[quote=firstdown;885261]Its also said that the spending has kept our freedom and what price would you put on freedom. I agree we need to cut military spending. As far as GDP we really do not spend that much more then other Countries.[/quote]


I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. I probably should compromise and cry laughing. Do you really believe this FD? You think that military spending has anything to do with our freedom? Do you even listen to your own military's thoughts or just blindly wave your American flag to the beat of the war drum?

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[quote=NC_Skins;885286]I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. I probably should compromise and cry laughing. Do you really believe this FD? You think that military spending has anything to do with our freedom? Do you even listen to your own military's thoughts or just blindly wave your American flag to the beat of the war drum?[/quote]

Yes, your right on this and every subject.

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[quote=firstdown;885297]Yes, your right on this and every subject.[/quote]

LOLOL ... Brilliant.

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[quote=firstdown;885297]Yes, your right on this and every subject.[/quote]

You didn't answer the question. Do you really believe that spending is to protect our freedom? Also, it's "You're". Thanks.

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Can one of you righties explain to me why Ron Paul has the highest campaign contributions from the military? Seeing as his foreign policy stance to to get the hell out of countries we don't belong and to secure our borders. If these guys are supporting him, what does that tell you about what the military thinks? Do you not give a damn about these guys that are giving up their lives? Just curious.

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[quote=NC_Skins;885303]You didn't answer the question. Do you really believe that spending is to protect our freedom? Also, it's "You're". Thanks.[/quote]

:popcorn:

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[quote=Hog1;885122]Interesting.....
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=VxHfYNTrnic]Will Generation 'Gimme' Work for the American Dream? Eye-opening insight into America's youth - YouTube[/url][/quote]


Nothing about that was interesting. It's another smear piece from Fox trying to paint American youth as lazy and wanting free hand outs. It's old and shouldn't even be considered journalism. I equate FOX and TMZ on the same level. Trashy entertainment.

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ncskins, can i give you a hint? while a lot of your opinions i agree with, not everyone here will. its what make the world go round. you seem to be very aggressive when someone disagrees with you. the point counter point banter is good, but lets not make it personal. not sure FD's spelling has anything to do with his opinion....just saying

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[quote=NC_Skins;885305]Can one of you righties explain to me why Ron Paul has the highest campaign contributions from the military? Seeing as his foreign policy stance to to get the hell out of countries we don't belong and to secure our borders. If these guys are supporting him, what does that tell you about what the military thinks?[B] Do you not give a damn about these guys that are giving up their lives?[/B] Just curious.[/quote]

No. Clearly, we do not. Obviously, you're right again. You're the most rightest person I know. Obviously, those who don't vote for or contribute to Paul and his 19th century isolationism are a bunch of callous, jingoistic fools who could care less what military personnel think. You have, once again, hit the nail on the head with your brilliant, calm and even handed approach to difficult questions.

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[quote=NC_Skins;885303]You didn't answer the question. Do you really believe that spending is to protect our freedom? Also, it's "You're". Thanks.[/quote]

If you read my entire post to start with you would have seen I agree we need to reduce military spending. Yes, I believe that our military spending has helped to preserve our freedom and other peoples freedom around the world.

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[quote=dmek25;885315]ncskins, can i give you a hint? while a lot of your opinions i agree with, not everyone here will. its what make the world go round. you seem to be very aggressive when someone disagrees with you. the point counter point banter is good, but lets not make it personal. not sure FD's spelling has anything to do with his opinion....just saying[/quote]


The spelling part was a jab since he wanted to take a jab at me. When I'm asking if he really believes that, I hear absolutely no reasons or logic from people that say that. It's like they are regurgitation talking points of some conservative spokesman. At what point do you say....."ok, enough is enough"? At what point do you say, ok, it's time we take back our country and let others deal with theirs? I would like to hear a good and logical argument why we should continue on with these wars, which are driving us bankrupt no doubt.

I believe logic should be the driving force behind our actions and beliefs in life. Yes, I am aggressive with my thoughts, but I do respect people's opinions if they can muster up a decent argument to back it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;885320]No. Clearly, we do not. Obviously, you're right again. You're the most rightest person I know. Obviously, those who don't vote for or contribute to Paul and his 19th century isolationism are a bunch of callous, jingoistic fools who could care less what military personnel think. You have, once again, hit the nail on the head with your brilliant, calm and even handed approach to difficult questions.[/quote]


Well, it was a legit question JR. Why do many of the far right crew want to beat the drums of war, and then turn around and profess to care/support our military men. If you cared, wouldn't you listen to them? They are saying enough. End this. Bring us home.

I was being over dramatic with the line, but I think you get the point.

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BTW I joke on my own spelling so try again.

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Yep, we don't need a military.
There are no pirates near major shipping lanes.
There are no Persians building mega bombs and threatening our friends or threatening to close critical bodies of water.
There are no Chinese suggesting we stay on our side of the Pacific.
There are no Russian Tu-95s flying up and down our Alaskan coast.
There are no Al Queda members planning the next 9-11.
There are no unstable nuclear govts in North Korea.

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[quote=firstdown;885324]Yes, I believe that our military spending has helped to preserve our freedom and other peoples freedom around the world.[/quote]


How so?

Also, why do we care about the freedom in oil rich countries, but not in places that have no resources? Say....South Africa?


Also, who deemed us the world wide protector of freedom? What gives us the right to bomb people unilaterally?

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Yep, we don't need a military. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]We need one, just one in America.[/B][/COLOR]
There are no pirates near major shipping lanes. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]I have no problem with our ships patrolling the sea passages.[/B][/COLOR]
There are no Persians building mega bombs and threatening our friends or threatening to close critical bodies of water. - [COLOR="Blue"][B] Do what?...lol[/B][/COLOR]
There are no Chinese suggesting we stay on our side of the Pacific. - [COLOR="Blue"][B] It's good advice. You don't see Chinese military on our side of the world do you? Nope.[/B][/COLOR]
There are no Russian Tu-95s flying up and down our Alaskan coast. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]We are flying drones over other people's air space. Your point?[/B][/COLOR]
There are no Al Queda members planning the next 9-11. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]There is also a boggie man under your bed to. Didn't that scary tale get old? [/B][/COLOR]
There are no unstable nuclear govts in North Korea. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]Funny, there is a unstable government here in the US.[/B][/COLOR]

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[quote=NC_Skins;885307]Nothing about that was interesting. It's another smear piece from Fox trying to paint American youth as lazy and wanting free hand outs. It's old and shouldn't even be considered journalism. I equate FOX and TMZ on the same level. Trashy entertainment.[/quote]
Soooo....not gettin' any lately?

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[quote=Hog1;885358]Soooo....not gettin' any lately?[/quote]


[insert your mom joke]



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since the beginning of time people have argued. most without fact or merit. very rarely does any logic play a part of these arguments. most are fact less, and logic free. that doesn't mean they don't believe in what they preach. i like the fact you back up what you say with fact. but for every " fact" you come up with, somewhere there will be a counter point. its all in what you believe. but i can guarantee you one thing, no one on this board will change their minds because of a point- counter point argument

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[quote=dmek25;885374] but i can guarantee you one thing, no one on this board will change their minds because of a point- counter point argument[/quote]

...no doubt and I don't really discuss this with the intentions of doing so. Most of their beliefs have most likely come about through their upbringing. (both religious and political) Once that's ingrained, it's usually their to stay. It's funny though, it was the exact opposite with me. I was raised a conservative baptist christian, and for the longest while I held those beliefs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;885357]Yep, we don't need a military. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]We need one, just one in America.[/B][/COLOR]
So you dont care about our global interests?
Because we would lose plenty of them without our military.

There are no pirates near major shipping lanes. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]I have no problem with our ships patrolling the sea passages.[/B][/COLOR]
You just said our military needs to stay in America.
So which is it?

There are no Persians building mega bombs and threatening our friends or threatening to close critical bodies of water. - [COLOR="Blue"][B] Do what?...lol[/B][/COLOR] Iran/nukes/Israel...you been reading current events?

There are no Chinese suggesting we stay on our side of the Pacific. - [COLOR="Blue"][B] It's good advice. You don't see Chinese military on our side of the world do you? Nope.[/B][/COLOR]
The Chinese don't have a true blue water navy yet, so you wont see that for quite a while. Not to mention Taiwans peril if we left them alone.

There are no Russian Tu-95s flying up and down our Alaskan coast. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]We are flying drones over other people's air space. Your point?[/B][/COLOR]
My point is I dont like Russian bombers in my back yard. I dont think they are there because they want to sing Kumbaya with us.

There are no Al Queda members planning the next 9-11. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]There is also a boggie man under your bed to. Didn't that scary tale get old? [/B][/COLOR] This is exactly what people were saying on Sept. 10.
Thats about the most ignorant response to that subject I've seen in a long time. I suppose you think Mohammed Atta was a boogie man and 9-11 was an inside job.

There are no unstable nuclear govts in North Korea. - [COLOR="Blue"][B]Funny, there is a unstable government here in the US.[/B][/COLOR][/quote] Our govt may have its issues but its not unstable, thats ridiculous.
You think Obama has no control over our military leaders?
You think a coup is always imminent?

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[quote=NC_Skins;885331]Well, it was a legit question JR. [B]Why do many of the far right crew want to beat the drums of war, and then turn around and profess to care/support our military men.[/B] If you cared, wouldn't you listen to them? They are saying enough. End this. Bring us home.

I was being over dramatic with the line, but I think you get the point.[/quote]

[B]1.[/B] As usual, you start with a loaded vague question which presuppose the validity of your point and make "good and logical argument" meaningless. Specifically, which members of the "far right crew want to beat the drums of war"? Please define the term "far right crew" and let me know what war drums they are beating. Without more definition, it is impossible to argue such a vague and loaded question (You may as well ask "Why do some people support wife beaters?"). What candidate is advocating military intervention in Syria? Iran? N. Korea or any other location? Or advocating an extended presence in Afghanistan? (or is it your position that the soldiers in Afghanistan should board planes tomorrow and damn the consequences?).

[B]2.[/B] The amount of [I]total[/I] contributions attributable to military personnel to all candidates is simply to small a sample size to draw the conclusion that military personnel support any particular candidate.

The amount of contributions directly linked to military personnel equal about 36K to Paul and ~20K to Obama and ~14K to all other Republican candidates. While many active duty personnel are clearly making some contribution to candidates, the number of active duty personnel in the US Military is over 1.3 million w/ an additional 800k in reserve formations. To me, donations (even if we equate one dollar= one person) that constitute approximately 3.5% of the entire military are not "proof" that any particular candidate, much less any particular position of any candidate, is supported by military personnel.

Lacking a poll of active and reserve military personnel, I don't think we can draw any conclusions as to who best embodies the military personnel's presidential choice.

- For the record, I support a strong military in line with T. Roosevelt's policy "Walk softly but carry a big stick". While I agree with many of Paul's foreign policy concepts, to me his isolationism (which includes, in part, w/drawing from and defunding the UN and cutting off [I]all[/I] foreign aid) constitutes a head-in-the-sand approach that is simply impracticable for the nation (or any nation). I believe we should w/draw from Afghanistan as soon as safely possible. Further, I don't believe at this time we should be intervening in Iran, Syria or N. Korea in any way. For now, focus on getting the boots home and keeping them here.

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[quote=NC_Skins;885350]How so?

Also, why do we care about the freedom in oil rich countries, but not in places that have no resources? Say....South Africa?


Also, who deemed us the world wide protector of freedom? What gives us the right to bomb people unilaterally?[/quote]

We could start with WWI, WWII, Cuban Missile Crises, Cold War, those are the easy ones.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;885387] What candidate is advocating military intervention in Syria? Iran? N. Korea or any other location? Or advocating an extended presence in Afghanistan? (or is it your position that the soldiers in Afghanistan should board planes tomorrow and damn the consequences?). [/quote]


Iran. They want to invade bad. It's like they are licking their chops wanting to go balls deep into that country, but understand the public has had it with the war mongering. So they use the constant fear tactic of "nuclear warfare" to continually pump the fear into people and then pass it off as "protecting our freedom".


My point regarding the military and campaign contributions was to show that many are tired of the pointless fighting and wars to and want to come home. Not so much as they endorse X guy over Y guy. I think they probably would more more inclined to endorse the guy who's going to bring them home as compared to the guy who wants to poke the hornets nest.