[QUOTE]Banning assault weapons won't keep all psychos from getting them. But it will make it harder for them to get them. Don't we want to make it harder for a psycho to get an assault weapon?<br />
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Also, banning assault weapons will not eliminate all of the ones in circulation. But each year into the future, as weapons degrade as all machines do, it will be harder for psychos to get their hands on them. Again, don't we want it to be difficult for psychos to get weapons?[/QUOTE]
You take A away someone will find B to get the job done. Eliminate psychopaths not guns. Also I have heard from many LEOs that the most dangerous weapon can have is a motor vehicle.

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^^ Ummmm, I am all for taking an assault rifle to the statue, even though it seems inefficient, but I am guessing this is in the wrong thread.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;925838]^^ Ummmm, I am all for taking an assault rifle to the statue, even though it seems inefficient, but I am guessing this is in the wrong thread.[/quote]

I second this. Do we really gotta be talking about assault rifles in the Penn State thread?

I for one am glad to see they removed the statue. Also according to [URL="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says"]this report[/URL] there's a possibility that Penn State might not get the death penalty tomorrow.

If the report is true and the penalties given are even harsher than the death penalty, I am fine with that. I do expect to see unprecedented penalties given, since this is an unprecedented case.

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Didn't want to start a new thread,Paterno's statue has been removed......

[url=http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/statue_of_famed_penn_state_coa.html]Statue of famed Penn State coach Joe Paterno taken down | NJ.com[/url]

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;925838]^^ Ummmm, I am all for taking an assault rifle to the statue, even though it seems inefficient, but I am guessing this is in the wrong thread.[/QUOTE]

For some reason I quoted that in the batman thread and taptalk put it here. Weird.

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[img]http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/pedo_statue_paterno_1.jpg[/img]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;925859][img]http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/pedo_statue_paterno_1.jpg[/img][/quote]

I hate to laugh, but that's more than fitting.

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[url=http://mobile.philly.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2012/7/22/3176110/penn-state-scandal-football-program-ncaa-penalties-bowl-bans-scholarship-joe-paterno-statue]Penn State Scandal: Football Program To Face Multiple-Year Bowl Ban, Major Loss Of Scholarships -- Report - SB Nation Philly[/url]

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The statue had to go down. No way it could still stand after all that has transpired.

Constant reminder of the tragedy that happened. Victims and families will never heal from it as long as Joe is still around.

Keeping the statue up continues to enshrine Joe as a hero, something he isn't and now obviously never was.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;925859]Snip hilarious pedo-bear picture[/quote]If the wall is still "as before", someone should spray paint the pedo-bear just like that, for real.

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2012-07-23/ncaa-penn-state-punishment-sanctions/56427630/1]NCAA hands out punishment for Penn State's handling of Sandusky case – USATODAY.com[/url]

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PSU football is dead. PSU may go bankrupt once the civil suits start flying.

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Penn State just got shit on. Since they vacated all their wins since 1998, does that mean the leader in all-time wins reverts back to Bobby Bowden?


edit: guess so

[B]Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

RT @darrenrovell: Paterno's new win count is 298. .... 12th all time. [/B]



[B]
Faux John Madden ‏@FauxJohnMadden

After today Penn State is now on a 175 game losing streak. [/B]

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4-year Bowl ban, vacated wins to 1999, 5-year probation, reduced scholarships...[B]slap on the wrist.

[/B]


Vacated wins mean nothing to current players or the dead coach...and most importantly to the victims. A crappy football team and no New Year's vacations for the Paterno worshippers does little to teach them a lesson. They're still getting what they discarded childrens' lives to protect...Penn State football on Saturdays. I thought the only way to teach them (the University and the blind, rabid worshipers) a real lesson is to take away PSU football for a while so they can realize how bad it really was and what SHOULD be important in life.

Disappointed. At least that bronze idol has been yanked down.

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The football program is still intact. To me, that is wrong.

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This is no slap on the wrist. The program was killed without being officially declared dead

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[quote=JoeRedskin;925912]The football program is still intact. To me, that is wrong.[/quote]

Personally, I'm surprised they did this much. I would have shut down their program this year, and then imposed these following sanctions following this year. Realistically you knew they weren't going to end the football program even though it should have ended it.

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What recruit is going to go to Penn St. with no scholarship and no chance at the postseason? I believe this is more detrimental to the school than a 1 year ban. I would have liked to also see them open up free transfers for current players without the waiting period to let current players get out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;925913]This is no slap on the wrist. The program was killed without being officially declared dead[/quote]


The PSU fans will stil be tailgating and the University will still fill the seats every Saturday home game. To many of these Paterno apologists, nothing will be different to them other than the scoreboard. They'll continue to do their annoying "WE ARE...PENN STATE" chant and who knows...they'll probably rally and up their contributions to try to make up for what they feel is an unfair punishment.

The Paterno shrines are STILL up where I work. It's disgusting. They're still denying Paterno or anyone other than Sandusky did anything wrong. They want the Governor investigated to distract from the real investigation on Paterno. They're crying about the statue. They learned NOTHING, nor will they as long as the team is suiting up...it will be business as usual.

Maybe those outside of PA don't understand how crazy and obsessed these PSU fans and alumni are. It's cult-like. It makes Red Sox nation look like a book club. They literally make it their religion and are blind to reality. You never could say anything negative about Penn State (which I always have because I see the University for what it is...a state-funded party school for people who can't get into PA's better colleges).

Trust me, these "punishments" won't teach anyone a lesson. Sure it will reduce their profits and hurt their team's record on the field. They'll still pretend Paterno is the all times win leader, they'll still cover their cars and yards with blue and white merchandise and they'll still come into the offices on Friday mornings doing their stupid chant. I know these people.

Like Matt Millen just said, what this really affects is recruiting. That's the PSU mentality...football trumps all, even the lives of children.

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Somebody posted this on craigslist.

[url=http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/art/3157249882.html]Slightly Used Joe Paterno Statue[/url]



Also, Big Ten is going to announce their sanctions at 11am EST.

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[quote=Daseal;925916]What recruit is going to go to Penn St. with no scholarship and no chance at the postseason? I believe this is more detrimental to the school than a 1 year ban. [B]I would have liked to also see them open up free transfers for current players without the waiting period to let current players get out[/B].[/quote]

I think the article said that they will have a right of transfer without penalty.

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So is this worst than a one-year "Death Penalty"? Several articles, online, seem to say that. They are basically playing meaningless football for 4 years, which would lead me to believe their program will suffer in the long run. Also, why aren't the players allowed to transfer out if they want to?

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I mean the NCAA can't tell someone "stop rooting for Penn State, take down your Joe Paterno magazine cutouts, tear up your autographed DJ Dozier poster"

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[quote=SmootSmack;925913]This is no slap on the wrist. The program was killed without being officially declared dead[/quote]

I recognize that this is significant and even devastating. Call me a literalist, however, they should be officially declared dead.

Football should not be played at PSU. Not next year. Not the year after that. Not until they have submitted proof that the culture evidenced bythe Freeh Report has been utterly destroyed root and branch.

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I find this tweet to be indeed ironic.


[B]
LL ‏@LL_HTTR

Last QB to win a game for Penn State is mike mcqueary.. #Ironic [/B]

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[quote=SmootSmack;925923]I mean the NCAA can't tell someone "stop rooting for Penn State, take down your Joe Paterno magazine cutouts, tear up your autographed DJ Dozier poster"[/quote]

No - But they can take the product they root for off of the field.

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You're right. I didn't click read more. My apologies. The kids can transfer without penalty and keep their scholarships. I'm okay with that.

I also just heard they're paying the 60M over 5 years -- I don't like that....

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Additionally, How exactly is vacating wins in any way related to, or an appropriate punishment for OFF-FIELD issues?

The former players will still tell their grandkids about the games they won and the Bowl games they went to.

Suddenly, we just pretend those games and wins didn't happen?

This "punishment", specifically this part is a joke. It doesn't make any sense. The players earned those wins. They should be not punished. Rewriting history won't affect anyone or help the guilty realize what they've done wrong. You think the Board of Directors, the Athletic department Graham Spanier and Sandusky's wife care that when they search the team's W-L record online, it will look different? You think they care about no Bowls for 4 years? They may care if the program was shut down...along with their income.


I wanted the football program to be killed...at least for 14 years, how long they covered up the rapes. Then we get the cries "why punish the current players, they didn't do anything wrong!" True, but we're punishing the football PROGRAM. The AD, the board, the coaches...and everyone who put the public relations and income of the football program above these kids, including the fans who still won't admit anything happened. The players can transfer and play right away. If they still want a crappy PSU degree, they can stay there for the academics.


Other than lost money, the football program literally just got away with rape, at least from the NCAA.

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Perhaps so that a pedophile protector doesn't hold one of the most coveted titles in college athletics?

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[quote=Daseal;925936]Perhaps so that a pedophile protector doesn't hold one of the most coveted titles in college athletics?[/quote]

Bobby Bowden was no saint either. Nothing THIS BAD but that's not what we should be focusing on. Record books are meaningless in the big picture.

Shutting them down would hopefully open up the eyes of everyone who helped hide this, including the fans. Around the campus, this was not only known to be going on, it was a joke. They even named an ice cream flavor after the monster.

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I'm satisfied with these punishments. It doesn't matter that they didn't "kill" the program, because the program is going to suffer for god knows how long. 4 years of no bowl games, and 15 scholarships? They are going to get their asses handed to them year after year. Plus the kids that are there now get the opportunity to transfer and not have to wait.

If I were a student, and not a top 15 player, who would want to play for them, knowing they'd most likely have to pay full cost to go there and not be eligible for a bowl game for 4 seasons? I don't think this scenario is likely to happen but imagine if they had barely enough players to field a team? Paterno's wins from the entire period get vacated, and they sufficiently harmed the program enough that we probably won't see it in the top 25 for another decade. I could see people being pissed if the program was allowed to continue and was still in the top 25, but as the old saying goes, out of sight, out of mind. If anything people will enjoy it more seeing their current program become bottom-feeders, getting their asses handed to them 62-7 every game.

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What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?

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[quote=SmootSmack;925945]What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?[/quote]

No but I'm sure he had to know when he took the job that there probably were going to be sanctions. Unless everyone at Penn State lied to him too, and told him it wasn't a big concern and not to worry about it. I'm doubtful that that happened but the current group of leadership at Penn State hasn't struck me as very smart in how they're handling this whole thing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;925945]What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?[/quote]


Quite honestly, I have no sympathy for him as he signed up prior knowing that something was going to happen. Unless he was a complete idiot, he had to know the football program was going to take a hit.

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^^ Nope. The program should be shut down and those contracts should be honored. Unless it can be shown that they somehow knew of the specific issues, their contracts should be enforceable as they did nothing to violate them.

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Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


[url=http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/post_380.html]Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano says full board wasn't advised of NCAA agreement | PennLive.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;925945]What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?[/quote]

You can't punish the program and those in charge without affecting the current staff and players. This should not be part of the equation. They all have the chance to move somewhere else. O'Brien knew about these problems coming in.

The kids are allowed to transfer and not sit out, which is fair and I'm glad the NCAA is making an exception for them.

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On balance these penalties are harsh and severe. Losing 60 scholarships all but ensures that the program is basically irrelevant for many years to come. More fines to be levied by the Big Ten.

I don't think the stigma of being associated with Penn State should be underestimated.

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$60 million fine. That's huge. That is larger than the annual operating academic budgets at some schools. Everyone at Penn State down to the groundskeepers and custodial staff will be affected by that.

I'm not complaining about the penalty. The NCAA should have thrown the book at PSU and it did. But to say the penalty does not affect innocent others is not really true.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;925950]^^ Nope. The program should be shut down and those contracts should be honored. Unless it can be shown that they somehow knew of the specific issues, their contracts should be enforceable as they did nothing to violate them.[/quote]

Here's where I think the NCAA arguably got it right. The football program brings in a lot of revenue and employment for that town. Shutting down the program would have had an economic shock throughout that community.