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[quote=IrMitchell;896980]I'm not assuming the worst, I'm just not going to be optimistic about a bad situation.

Battered fan syndrome should be in every one of us, add to the fact I'm a Leafs/Raptors/Jays fan and I can't really help it.[/quote]

Personally I think it's insulting to CrazyCanuck that you totally disrespect him with your sig...

Secondly, I think we'll be ok

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[quote=IrMitchell;896976]NFL Draft. (RG3 +)
Fletcher (To me this is a priority)

How much money do we have after this?[/quote]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/46960-cap-analysis-chill-it-skillet.html[/URL]

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Its still bullshit in every respect

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[quote=Mattyk;896972]Not as wrong as you saying we can't sign any free agents.

Assuming the $36M penalty holds up, we have $18.5 in space as of right now if we did a 50/50 split of the $36M, that's still enough room to do some damage in free agency. And that's before a myriad of restructures that are possible.[/quote]

I would agree that some people are over-reacting in terms of judging our ability to continue to operate in a competitive manner but you seem to be entirely nonchalant about this which is really curious to me. The league is taking 15% of our cap space away over the next two years. If you think that doesn't have a significant affect on our ability to compete then you're fooling yourself. Your under-reaction is on par with their over-reaction. They are taking 15% that we can never get back...restructures or not that cap space is gone forever even if we figure out clever tricks for pushing it all out into future years. Restructuring doesn't make the 36 mil go away it just spreads it out over however many years and saddles us with less cap money then.

The world is not ending but we are unfairly getting screwed. Does it not at least make you mad?

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I still would be cautiously optimistic as right now we have no idea what else Roger Goodell will spring on this team before 4pm today. One thing that I can't figure out is that there are two other teams that apparently violated this "unwritten rule". What is their punishment?

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[quote=IrMitchell;896980]I'm not assuming the worst, I'm just not going to be optimistic about a bad situation.

Battered fan syndrome should be in every one of us, add to the fact I'm a Leafs/Raptors/Jays fan and I can't really help it.[/quote]

CrazyCanuck is also a Redskins fan who lives in Canada. Just an fyi.

EDIT: didn't see SS's post above. Already been covered.

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[quote=FRPLG;896988]I would agree that some people are over-reacting in terms of judging our ability to continue to operate in a competitive manner but you seem to be entirely nonchalant about this which is really curious to me. The league is taking 15% of our cap space away over the next two years. If you think that doesn't have a significant affect on our ability to compete then you're fooling yourself. Your under-reaction is on par with their over-reaction. They are taking 15% that we can never get back...restructures or not that cap space is gone forever even if we figure out clever tricks for pushing it all out into future years. Restructuring doesn't make the 36 mil go away it just spreads it out over however many years and saddles us with less cap money then.

The world is not ending but we are unfairly getting screwed. Does it not at least make you mad?[/quote]

It's one thing to be upset by it and recognize it hinders our previously outstanding cap situation. It's quite another to say free agency is over for us.

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Yes...hence the whole "Canuck" part of his username.

We understand, it was easy to miss.

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[quote=SmootSmack;896985]Personally I think it's insulting to CrazyCanuck that you totally disrespect him with your sig...

Secondly, I think we'll be ok[/quote]
I'm disrespecting him, really? Lol.

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[quote=SmootSmack;896993]It's one thing to be upset by it and recognize it hinders our previously outstanding cap situation. It's quite another to say free agency is over for us.[/quote]

100% agree.

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[quote=Mattyk;896986][URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/46960-cap-analysis-chill-it-skillet.html[/URL][/quote]
Thanks, but there's no chance we get London at 6 and Carriker at 2.5.

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[quote=SmootSmack;896993]It's one thing to be upset by it and recognize it hinders our previously outstanding cap situation. It's quite another to say free agency is over for us.[/quote]
I said they took away free agency from us. I'm sure you're aware of what's going on, how are you not frustrated by this?

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[quote=FRPLG;896994]Yes...hence the whole "Canuck" part of his username.

We understand, it was easy to miss.[/quote]
Never seen him post before, no need to be ignorant about it. Already changed it.

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[quote=FRPLG;896988]I would agree that some people are over-reacting in terms of judging our ability to continue to operate in a competitive manner but you seem to be entirely nonchalant about this which is really curious to me. The league is taking 15% of our cap space away over the next two years. If you think that doesn't have a significant affect on our ability to compete then you're fooling yourself. Your under-reaction is on par with their over-reaction. They are taking 15% that we can never get back...restructures or not that cap space is gone forever even if we figure out clever tricks for pushing it all out into future years. Restructuring doesn't make the 36 mil go away it just spreads it out over however many years and saddles us with less cap money then.

The world is not ending but we are unfairly getting screwed. Does it not at least make you mad?[/quote]

Not sure how my middle of the road view compares with the silly doom and gloom of some folks. Yeah it hurts but are we totally out of free agency now?

Sorry that I'm not screaming to tar and feather Goodell, it's a shitty situation but it's a workable one. And it's one that the Skins should have seen as a possibility of coming to fruition. Fair or not it's something we have to deal with one way or another.

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[quote=IrMitchell;896976]NFL Draft. (RG3 +)
Fletcher (To me this is a priority)

How much money do we have after this?[/quote]

Lots. Check out the other threads from people who actually know what they are talking about (i.e. Schneed, CrazyCanuck). Seriously, on this site, we have a couple of the best cap guys on the web. When they say "Chill", you can take it to the bank. We went from being in an amazingly, superfantabulous position to being in a solidly good one.

While I am incensed by the whole "Let's arbitrarily change the rules to punish those who didn't help us do something illegal", as others have pointed out, it is simply not the end of the world. RGIII's contract is not going to be like rookies of old and Fletch will get a solid, but not breathtaking deal.

It's wrong, but we will be okay capwise regardless of the out come.

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[quote=IrMitchell;896998]Thanks, but there's no chance we get London at 6 and Carriker at 2.5.[/quote]

Depends on how you structure those deals.

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[quote=IrMitchell;897001]I said they took away free agency from us. I'm sure you're aware of what's going on, how are you not frustrated by this?[/quote]

They haven't taken it away from us. No matter how you slice it we still have more than a little cap space to makes moves. I mean the concept isn't rocket-science.

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do you think we will go into this FA like nothing has happend and just putt of the 36 mill until next year since we belie e we haven't done anything wrong and try and fight it before then? that's what I got from our statement, that our mindset is the same and nothing has changed

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[quote=IrMitchell;896995]I'm disrespecting him, really? Lol.[/quote]


[IMG]http://www.guitarsandaudio.com/extras/shite/JokeOverHead3.jpg[/IMG]

And, if we're being totally honest, there is no Salary Cap Central thread (the one you're posting in) if not for CrazyCanuck

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Even during the years where the Redskins over spent freely and were always in cap hell or close to it, they still were able to sign guys (regardless if they were over the hill or not) so I'm not worried that the Redskins will still be able to take advantage of free agency this year and next. But FRPLG does bring up a good point. This does affect the Redskins, even somewhat over those years of restructure, so I'll be curious to see how the front office is able to work that out over the years. I have not doubt the 'skins will be just fine, but they should definitely fight this.

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One day removed from the news and my blood pressure and BAC has come down to a point where I can look at this with a more level head. Yes it is still very upsetting and I feel it is unfair, but we can let the lawyers fight that fight. In the end we will still have money to spend this year, 22 million if we take half the hit this year (I would think that taking more of the hit would be a good idea since we have so much cap room) and that is enough to start filling some holes on the roster!

Part of my, and I am assuming others, overreaction was based on the the roller coaster of being so high over RG3 and hoping things were looking up for us and then getting initial reports that all but 4 million of our cap space was gone (remember the very first reports did not say it could be spread out over 2 years....or I was too angry to comprehend)

As long as we can resign Fletcher and make a serious run at Winston and VJ or another top flight WR I will be fine.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;897012]do you think we will go into this FA like nothing has happend and just putt of the 36 mill until next year since we belie e we haven't done anything wrong and try and fight it before then? that's what I got from our statement, that our mindset is the same and nothing has changed[/quote]
That's what you'd think, but it doesn't seem like an option anymore.

NFL already took 18 million, which is essentially their way of trying to get the Redskins to agree with it in one way or another.

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I'd be entirely happy with this as a solution.

Take half now and half next year then give it back to us the following two years and remove it from the other teams cap space accordingly. We're in good enough position now that in 3 and 4 years we could probably use the space better.

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Let's assume for a moment that the ruling of the owners stands as is and the penalty remains in force(and that may not be the case in the end).
If we had not dumped dumped Albert's money and front loaded Hall's contract (and whatever we are accused of)
....what would our Cap position be today?
CC? Gtripp?

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[quote=IrMitchell;897001]I said they took away free agency from us. I'm sure you're aware of what's going on, how are you not frustrated by this?[/quote]

But they didn't. And sure I'm frustrated, but the universe says deal and you deal

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[quote=SmootSmack;896316][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36904/qa-on-the-cowboys-redskins-cap-mess]Q&A on the Cowboys-Redskins cap mess - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Good read.

This part really pisses me off: "The Cowboys and the Redskins, [U]to a greater extent[/U] (my underlining) than the league's other 30 teams, ignored these warnings and engaged in such behavior anyway."

So, most teams were guilty of ignoring the warnings of punishment for not colluding against the union but only the Redskins and Cowboys were punished. Isn't guilty an absolute? You're either guilty or you're not. Only the punishments should be a matter of degrees. Yet, 28 teams (some of whom were probably guilty of ignoring the warnings) were rewarded with more cap space. Other guilty teams were actually rewarded!

This entire action by the NFL stinks to high heaven.

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[quote=IrMitchell;897016]That's what you'd think, but it doesn't seem like an option anymore.

[B]NFL already took 18 million,[/B] which is essentially their way of trying to get the Redskins to agree with it in one way or another.[/quote]

What is the bolded statement based on?

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[quote=SmootSmack;897013]
And, if we're being totally honest, there is no Salary Cap Central thread (the one you're posting in) if not for CrazyCanuck[/quote]
It's pretty hard to sense a joke/sarcasm in a thread this serious, but ok fair enough.

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[quote=FRPLG;897021]What is the bolded statement based on?[/quote]
Schefter on Mike and Mike. Said the NFL split it already and the Redskins would have to go to them and agree if they wanted to distribute it differently.

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[quote=FRPLG;897021]What is the bolded statement based on?[/quote]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/clark-judge/17756493/redskins-cowboys-punishments-to-be-split-over-2-years]Clark Judge - CBSSports.com Redskins, Cowboys punishments to be split over 2 years[/url]

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What happened to the previous reporting that it could be spread however? I don't remember Judge ever being a super-source on NFL stuff like this. He's in the second tier of guys behind Shifty, Mort, Clayton, Breer and co.

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[quote=FRPLG;897026]What happened to the previous reporting that it could be spread however? I don't remember Judge ever being a super-source on NFL stuff like this. He's in the second tier of guys behind Shifty, Mort, Clayton, Breer and co.[/quote]
.. They did this so that the Redskins couldn't ignore it this season. It's unfortunate, but it's now a reality.

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[quote=FRPLG;897026]What happened to the previous reporting that it could be spread however? I don't remember Judge ever being a super-source on NFL stuff like this. He's in the second tier of guys behind Shifty, Mort, Clayton, Breer and co.[/quote]

Clark's pretty solid. The CBS guys in general are douches though.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm hearing conflicting reports on this, so I'm trying to get some confirmation

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Don't know if this has been shared yet, but I'm proud of Bruce Allen's retort:

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2012/03/12/statement-on-adjusted-salary-cap-reports/]The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports[/url]



He's right. The league approved these (bad) deals. How can we be penalized for spending in an UPCAPPED year anyway when we are in compliance with the cap rules when it returned?

I heard a report on CSN Washington this morning stating "we did not necessarily violate any rules, just the spirit of the rule".

What the hell is that? Utter BS. This would be akin to a cop pulling you over and saying, "Sir, you were not speeding but your Corvette looks fast so I am going to write you a speeding ticket in the 'spirit of the law'."

Or, your wife sees you looking at another woman crossing the street and files for divorce citing adultery and takes half your crap on a false accusation.

I used to like Roger Goodell when he came into the league with the tough enforcer stance, but his ego and power trip are becoming harmful to the game. All of the stupid on-field rules, watering down the quality of the play in the name of "safety"...now this? He approved Vinny's stupid payouts...case closed. Spend on, Mr. Allen.

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Danny needs to file an injunction and stop this whole damn free agency today until this gets resolved...

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[quote=IrMitchell;896976]NFL Draft. (RG3 +)
Fletcher (To me this is a priority)

How much money do we have after this?[/quote]

While Fletch is a priority, he's not going to get that 8-9mil/year figure he's looking for. (especially now)

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I just check the NFL.com website, if it is official, it should be there right??? Nutin! Not one mention that they are removing our the cap money or re-distributing to others. You would think that there would be some notice to Allen or Snyder. This doesn't smell right......

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[quote=Jayroc24;897046]I just check the NFL.com website, if it is official, it should be there right??? Nutin! Not one mention that they are removing our the cap money or re-distributing to others. You would think that there would be some notice to Allen or Snyder. This doesn't smell right......[/quote]

It's on the front page.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8278b475/article/nfl-takes-millions-in-cap-space-away-from-cowboys-skins?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: NFL takes millions in cap space away from Cowboys, 'Skins[/url]

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[quote=redskins5044;896921]Just listened to mike and mike's explanation on the salary cap penalty. It absolutely made no sense to me. They basically said the league approved the deals because the new CBA wasn't done yet, so thats why the league had to wait until now to penalize. So basically the cowboys and redskins broke the unwritten rule back in 2010 and now in 2012 with new CBA they are getting penalized.

The league still approved the contracts and IMO they didn't want to disapprove them then because it would have looked bad in CBA talks and the NFLPA would have made it an issue.



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I am here: [URL]http://tapatalk.com/map.php?garddt[/URL][/quote]

Hello NFL you can't have it both ways. You either "WERE COLLUDING" or you were not. You can't say no we don't want to raise any red flags now because the new CBA won't go through and we will be looked at as colluding so we'll ignore it. then months later decide to act on the deals for which you signed off on at the time so you wouldn't get into trouble and now cry foul.

the NFLPA should be all over this. The big question... did you collude or not. If not then the Skins and Boys are off the hook. If they are not then you definitly colluded and the NFLPA should file suit.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;897052]It's on the front page.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8278b475/article/nfl-takes-millions-in-cap-space-away-from-cowboys-skins?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: NFL takes millions in cap space away from Cowboys, 'Skins[/url][/quote]

Well dont know what page I was looking at????? My bad!