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[quote=Alvin Walton;989025]Cuomo wants to "win" and have it his way. He doesnt have the countrys best interests at heart, just his own. You can tell by the way he words things.
Not to mention the guys idiotic 16 oz soda ban.
New York is a sh1thole of repression.[/quote]


That would be mayor Bloomberg,not the Governor.

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Right, sorry.
I get liberty grabbing bleeding hearts mixed up.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;989295]Right, sorry.
I get liberty grabbing bleeding hearts mixed up.[/quote]After all the liberal politician hiding behind kids last night, I was struck by how yesterday the front page story in the NY Times website was a bus strike with kids being sent to school any which way:
[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/17/nyregion/17strike2/17strike2-popup.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/nyregion/new-york-school-bus-drivers-go-on-strike.html?pagewanted=all"]At Root of Strike, Runaway Costs in City’s School Busing System[/URL]

The union school bus system was costing almost $7000 per passenger?

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Funny how the president pointed the finger at the NRA for mentioning that the Presidents kids had armed guards at their school. Then the president uses the kids of Sandy Hook to push his agenda.

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[quote=HailGreen28;989319]After all the liberal politician hiding behind kids last night, I was struck by how yesterday the front page story in the NY Times website was a bus strike with kids being sent to school any which way:
[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/01/17/nyregion/17strike2/17strike2-popup.jpg[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/nyregion/new-york-school-bus-drivers-go-on-strike.html?pagewanted=all"]At Root of Strike, Runaway Costs in City’s School Busing System[/URL]

The union school bus system was costing almost $7000 per passenger?[/quote]

1.1 billion to bus kids in NY city.

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Talking about using kids as a pawn see what the unuions are doing on you tube. Also Bloomburg says he should have tackled this issue 10 yrs back but didn't have the time. Funny he found the time to pass all those new gun laws.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B-F64Lsrqy4"]Tell Mayor Bloomberg kids come first - YouTube[/URL]

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They don't have to use kids, the kids are just the catalyst for change because the act was so heinous. With respect to gun violence in America the body of work is imminence and speaks for itself (i.e. getting murdered in a fcking movie theater).

But yes, NRA, the presidents children and the children of regular folks are the same and Obama clearly hates the children of the avg Joe by not providing them with personal protection.

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saden...don't interject fact into this discussion. its all about prying guns from peoples cold, dead hands...hahahaha

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[quote=saden1;989483]But yes, NRA, the presidents children and the children of regular folks are the same and Obama clearly hates the children of the avg Joe by not providing them with personal protection.[/quote]

Hate is a strong word. Disinterested, possibly.

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[quote=dmek25;989485]saden...don't interject fact into this discussion. its all about prying guns from peoples cold, dead hands...hahahaha[/quote]

What facts.

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[quote=firstdown;989333]Talking about using kids as a pawn see what the unuions are doing on you tube. Also Bloomburg says he should have tackled this issue 10 yrs back but didn't have the time. Funny he found the time to pass all those new gun laws.
[/quote]



So do you think a school bus strike and a mass murder of school children and teachers are equal issues?

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[quote=Giantone;989515]So do you think a school bus strike and a mass murder of school children and teachers are equal issues?[/quote]

No. Why, do you?

Actually, forget the question. You'll only lie anyway.

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Whats this thread about again?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;989547]Whats this thread about again?[/quote]After last night and at least CBS' coverage of Obama's gun control, it's about kids. Which apparently aren't worth guarding more, as much as disarming law abiding citizens and catering to union strikes is, according to liberals in general in their actions.

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[quote=RedskinRat;989523]No. Why, do you?

Actually, forget the question. You'll only lie anyway.[/quote]

Sorry forgot,anti -Guns=liars

Gun owners=good citizens

Dems,Libs = satin

Republicans= saints

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[quote=Alvin Walton;989547]Whats this thread about again?[/quote]


Gun control but if you say anything for it, you are called a liar.:rolleyes:

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[quote=Giantone;989649]Gun control but if you say anything for it, you are called a liar.:rolleyes:[/quote]You just lied (strawmanned) in the post before this one. Heck you also did it in the post I quoted. Other people have been able to talk on both sides without lying. (ex: Daseal, me, and RR)

Not to mention you still owe RR an apology, don't you?

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[quote=HailGreen28;989651]You just lied (strawmanned) in the post before this one. Heck you also did it in the post I quoted. Other people have been able to talk on both sides without lying. (ex: Daseal, me, and RR)

Not to mention you still owe RR an apology, don't you?[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath HG, I know we're all forewarned when we see a Giantone posting it'll be a 'giant one', as in big lie.

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[quote=Giantone;989515]So do you think a school bus strike and a mass murder of school children and teachers are equal issues?[/quote]

Really stupid question.

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[quote=firstdown;989774]Really stupid question.[/quote]



Maybe but I'm not the poster that tied the two together.Post #486

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[quote=HailGreen28;989651]You just lied (strawmanned) in the post before this one. Heck you also did it in the post I quoted. Other people have been able to talk on both sides without lying. (ex: Daseal, me, and RR)

Not to mention you still owe RR an apology, don't you?[/quote]

No I don't owe anyone anything ,I'm not the one who said the lady in the artical should go make a sandwich.
You talk to posters that agree with you,the ones that don't you call liar.

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Again posting in the gun control thread,I guess these are lies also.


[URL="http://americablog.com/2013/01/poll-huge-support-gun-control.html"]Poll shows huge support for new gun control measures[/URL]





[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/poll-marylanders-strongly-support-gun-control-proposals/2013/01/14/603538fa-5e4f-11e2-a389-ee565c81c565_story.html"]Poll: Marylanders strongly support gun-control proposals - The Washington Post[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giantone;989811]Again posting in the gun control thread,I guess these are lies also.


[URL="http://americablog.com/2013/01/poll-huge-support-gun-control.html"]Poll shows huge support for new gun control measures[/URL]





[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/poll-marylanders-strongly-support-gun-control-proposals/2013/01/14/603538fa-5e4f-11e2-a389-ee565c81c565_story.html"]Poll: Marylanders strongly support gun-control proposals - The Washington Post[/URL][/QUOTE]

children killed by man with gun. weeks later polls show strong support for new gun laws. color me shocked. this is how bad laws get started in our media stained society.

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[quote=Giantone;989811]Again posting in the gun control thread,I guess these are lies also.


[URL="http://americablog.com/2013/01/poll-huge-support-gun-control.html"]Poll shows huge support for new gun control measures[/URL][/quote]

As someone once said of Ipsos (who did the poll for Reuters) [I]Nevertheless, particularly when a poll produces what appears to be an outlying result, as the recent Ipsos poll did, reporters and analysts should treat it with suspicion and consider whether the discrepancies are explained by questionable methodology. Too often these outlier polls receive more attention precisely because their results are surprising or unexpected, but they usually deserve less.[/I]

A bit like this poll, but wouldn't tout it as a serious source either:

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/fox-news-poll-twice-as-many-favor-more-guns-over-banning-guns-to-reduce-violent/#ixzz2IN3CupbQ"]Fox News poll[/URL]: Twice as many favor more guns over banning guns to reduce crime

[quote=Giantone;989811]
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/poll-marylanders-strongly-support-gun-control-proposals/2013/01/14/603538fa-5e4f-11e2-a389-ee565c81c565_story.html"]Poll: Marylanders strongly support gun-control proposals - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

The poll from the WaPo was done by OpinionWorks, a notoriously biased Left wing joke.

It would be like me running a poll to see how many people on Warpath think you're a lying douchbag, and only asking myself.

OMFG! 100% of people asked said Giantone is a lying douchebag!

Also, the lady started a ****ing Facebook page. Way to be an activist!

You made it sound like I was mocking the victims, which was your ploy, it failed, you're a lying douchebag. Polls don't lie, right?

GTFOOH!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;989823]children killed by man with gun. weeks later polls show strong support for new gun laws. color me shocked. this is how bad laws get started in our media stained society.[/quote]

Actually, CRR, the first poll by Ipsos for Reuters was taken before, as they gleefully mention in the article.

It doesn't change how the Media is a fecal smear on the bedsheets of our metaphorical mattress of the USA.

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[quote=RedskinRat;989826]

[B]It would be like me running a poll to see how many people on Warpath think you're a lying douchbag, and only asking myself.[/B]

[B]OMFG! 100% of people asked said Giantone is a lying douchebag![/B]
[/quote]


Actually in order to properly sensationalize it your summary should be "OMFG! 100% of [I]Warpathers[/I] said Giantone is a lying douchebag!" . As seen here:

[quote]
The poll, mostly taken before Obama released his recommendations, found [B]74 percent of Americans[/B] favor a ban on assault weapons, with 26 percent opposed.
[/quote]



And im not too sure an online poll (wtf is an online poll???) of 559 American (cause its hard to get people to take polls online) represent the the prevailing attitude of all Americans. Although, the poll is within 4.7% of Ipsos's propierty "creditability interval" (wtf is a creditability interval and why dont stastical probabilities apply to Ipsos's polls????).


[quote]A ban on high-capacity[B] ammunition clips[/B] was backed by 74 percent, and 26 percent were opposed.[/quote]

I dont care when people mistakenly call magazines "clips", but shouldnt a scientific surv.... err, online poll properly identify the item in question?


Heres another poll:

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/majority-supports-nra-despite-recent-criticism-poll-shows/"]Most support NRA despite recent criticism, poll shows | Fox News[/URL]

^ I tried to find this reported by another major news source because i know how much everyone here hates Fox...... Apperently only Fox found this news worthy, even though i think its pretty darn interesting. I wonder if it would be reported if the results were much less favorable to the NRA?

Its a Gallup poll, imho the most creditable. Although instead of creditability analysis they use that witches brew "margin of errors" and "stastical analysis" stuff. The math is too fancy for me to make sense of it:

[URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/159578/nra-favorable-image.aspx"]NRA Has 54% Favorable Image in U.S.[/URL]





*Giantone, i dont think youre a douchbag, im just using RR's statement for my example.

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;989830]Actually, CRR, the first poll by Ipsos for Reuters was taken before, as they gleefully mention in the article.

It doesn't change how the Media is a fecal smear on the bedsheets of our metaphorical mattress of the USA.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I read it wrong, looked like it was post-Sandy Hook, but before Pres. Obama's talking points. In other words these polls and other like them are touted in the media then used by politicians to pass fear inspired laws tbat are, in the end, bad law. This cycle occurs so frequently in the US it ought to have its own name.

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[quote=Giantone;989807]No I don't owe anyone anything ,I'm not the one who said the lady in the artical should go make a sandwich.
You talk to posters that agree with you,the ones that don't you call liar.[/quote]No, you accused RR of making fun of the murders in Conn. And you got called on that lie.

No, I've responded to Daseal and Lotus, whom I disagree with but respect, in part because they didn't lie like you did. Are you through making false accusations against people you disagree with, giantone? It's becoming a trend with you.

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[quote=HailGreen28;989918]No, you accused RR of making fun of the murders in Conn. And you got called on that lie.

No, I've responded to Daseal and Lotus, whom I disagree with but respect, in part because they didn't lie like you did. Are you through making false accusations against people you disagree with, giantone? It's becoming a trend with you.[/quote]

lol,typical gun culture move make the argument about anything else but guns and as the NRA says attack the messenger not the message.

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[quote=RedskinRat;979112]Angry Mom's......

STFU and make a sammich, you uninformed bitch![/quote].....bump.

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[quote=Giantone;978865]"It was absolutely outrageous,' said Shannon Watts, who founded One Million Moms for Gun Control just five days ago. [/quote]

Brava!

[quote=Giantone;978865]"They are about to see a tsunami of 84 million angry moms coming out at them. Angry moms like they have never seen before. We are going to do for gun control what Mothers Against Drunk Driving did for drunk drivers."[/quote]

At last! A group that's willing to go out and take on illegal gun users.


[quote=Giantone;978865]The Zionsville, Ind. stay-at-home mother of five was so angry and frustrated after the Newtown shootings that she started a Facebook page and website. [/quote]

Started a FB page......and a website?!?!??!


[quote=Giantone;978865]Her group now has 8,000 members and 50 chapters. "Every day we get a request for 20 new chapters," she said.
Congress has been running scared of the NRA, "but the NRA only has 4 million members, she said. "Ask them in four weeks who they're more scared of, the NRA or a mom? It's going to be the mom."
[/quote]

STFU and make me a sammich, you attention seeking bitch!

Oh, and a million Mom's?

[IMG]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/277/genius-meme.png[/IMG]

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[quote=Giantone;980502]Yes I did but what worse is that you being part of that gun culture are too blind to see the need for change and new laws.As for RR's joke ...tell the people in Conn it does far less harm.[/quote]

BUMP

There is nothing in my post mocking the victims or people in Sandy Hook, lying douchebag.

You got nothing, why do you keep coming back here?

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Back on topic.

Here's a [URL="http://sovietoutpost.revdisk.org/?p=72"]few words[/URL] from a Bosnia survivor on how to cope with a collapse of civilization:

[I]After the war we had guns in every house. The police confiscated lots of guns at the beginning of the war. But most of them we hid. Now I have one legal gun that I have a license for. Under the law that’s called a temporary collection. If there is unrest, the government will seize all the registered guns. Never forget that.[/I]

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[quote=RedskinRat;989925]BUMP

There is nothing in my post mocking the victims or people in Sandy Hook, lying douchebag.

You got nothing, why do you keep coming back here?[/quote]

No it's the gun culture you represent that has nothing,I guess insulting others is what makes you sleep better at night.Thanks for the repost ...you proved my point.

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[quote=Giantone;989919]lol,typical gun culture move make the argument about anything else but guns and as the NRA says attack the messenger not the message.[/quote]No, what you ascribe to the "gun culture" is precisely what [B][U]you're[/U][/B] doing now. You lied about RR, you lied about me (and basically anyone you've disagreed with this thread).

Oh, and since you keep mentioning the NRA like you're scared of it.. boo!

[URL="http://home.nra.org/#"]NRA RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL PROPOSALS
01/16/2013

Throughout its history, the National Rifle Association has led efforts to promote safety and responsible gun ownership. Keeping our children and society safe remains our top priority.

The NRA will continue to focus on keeping our children safe and securing our schools, fixing our broken mental health system, and prosecuting violent criminals to the fullest extent of the law. We look forward to working with Congress on a bi-partisan basis to find real solutions to protecting America's most valuable asset — our children.

Attacking firearms and ignoring children is not a solution to the crisis we face as a nation. Only honest, law-abiding gun owners will be affected and our children will remain vulnerable to the inevitability of more tragedy.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Giantone;989946]Thanks for the repost ...you proved my point.[/QUOTE]

Please explain how I proved your point, liar.