[QUOTE=SmootSmack;944459]Defenses are going to want to tee off on RG3 no matter what. Comparing getting hit on running a play vs. a kneel down seems a bit ridiculous to me.[/QUOTE]

sure that is a bit ridiculous.

However, I think its fair to criticize the amount of designed runs and options Kyle is calling. Regardless of how bad the replacement refs are with missing roughings, a QB is fair game in runs and options. I've thought it was an issue from game 1.

Coaches have full control over playcalling, they do not have control over the ref situation.

[QUOTE=Macho Man Randy Savage;944703]Robert Griffin! Don't think you're sneaking into Tampa!!! Yeeeeah. There won't beeee NO Hot Doggin' Itttt!!! ** Shakes Finger ** The Macho Man will be dropping that Elbow for the 3!

OOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhh Yeeeeeaaaaah!!!![/QUOTE]

Is it true you get all the free slim jims you can eat?

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[quote=Evilgrin;944680]The actual points produced by the offense say different.[/quote]


Empty stats.

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[quote=Macho Man Randy Savage;944703]Robert Griffin! Don't think you're sneaking into Tampa!!! Yeeeeah. There won't beeee NO Hot Doggin' Itttt!!! ** Shakes Finger ** The Macho Man will be dropping that Elbow for the 3!

OOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhh Yeeeeeaaaaah!!!![/quote]

Next time you decide to troll a board at least pick someone who is still alive. BTW this is what he looked like a few months before he kicked the bucket. Very intimidating....

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mjqHG.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;944713]Empty stats.[/quote]

Points are empty? Please enlighten me!

[QUOTE=aircoryell;944714]Next time you decide to troll a board at least pick someone who is still alive. BTW this is what he looked like a few months before he kicked the bucket. Very intimidating....

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mjqHG.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I know someone who was banging his girlfriend when he was still alive.

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[quote=aircoryell;944714]Next time you decide to troll a board at least pick someone who is still alive. BTW this is what he looked like a few months before he kicked the bucket. Very intimidating....[/quote]

Odd angle for the picture, honestly. With the back of his head all blurry and his hair arranged like that, he kinda looks like a girl :/

And who is the old dude, a pirate? Hahahaha! He needs a parrot and an eyepatch or something! hahahahahaha

awww, old people are funny :)

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Dan Orlovski is a comin'! He's going to drop an Orlovski clothesline on Shanahan, this Sunday... Yeeeeah! Score will be 65-3, Tampa Wiiiiiiiiinnnnsss! Ooooooooohhhh Yeeeeeeaaaaaah!!!!

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[quote=aircoryell;944669]To me, this post reeks of misdirected frustration. This is not a "gimmick" offense as you put it. And there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate your conclusion that it has no chance for "continued success". On the contrary, everything points to exactly the opposite.
What you're suggesting is to put Robert in a pro style offense under center (In Baylor he took [I]ZERO[/I] snaps under center) and magically all those hits he's taking will go away. Did you watch the Rex and Beck take a pounding last year?
How you came to the conclusion that Kyle showed "ineptitude" is beyond me since you failed to explain that. In one sentence you call the offensive line a joke, and immediately take a shot at Kyle on the next one for running an offense to minimize it's exposure. :confused:
Kyle, in my opinion, is doing a masterful job helping Robert transition from his Baylor offense into a pro style offense. Letting him have some time under center while still running what he feels comfortable with to keep the points coming on the board.
Kyle has never been, is, or will be the problem. We've scored 30 points the last 3 games and are the 2nd ranked offense in the entire league for gods sake! If you think Kyle is the issue you are completely way off base.[/quote]

You and some others who post here just don't get it when it comes to exposing RGIII to a pounding in run option offense. So I'm going to try to educate you about the major points that I think jdc65 was trying to make.

Point 1: RGIII is [U]by far[/U] the most important player on this team for the [U]future[/U], not necessarily the present, of this franchise.

Point 2: RGIII must be protected as much as possible from a serious, possibly [U]career[/U] threatening or [U]career[/U] limiting injury because of his [U]extraordinary value to the future of this franchise[/U].

If I were in Dan Snyder's shoes, I would make an exception in the case of RGIII and I would "interfere" with Mike Shanahan's coaching decision to use RGIII in a run-oriented offense. I would tell him to cut it out. There is no way I would let Shanahan risk the [U]future[/U] of my franchise in trying to beat the Bengals or any other team this season. Shanahan would simply need to find another way to win or I would fire him. That's how strongly I feel about this issue.

Surely, you must realize that, in defending the run option that a defender is always assigned to tackle the QB. Only the Skins opponents are not just trying to bring down RGIII - they are trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can. It is only a matter of time before RGIII is seriously hurt when running these types of plays. This is not Baylor. It is the NFL, where the big boys play.

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[quote=Carl Nicks;944706]Touche.

We're expecting Freeman to finally put it together this week and have a great game through the air. This is the same thing we say after every game.

With Orakpo out, who does your pass rushing? I wonder if Shenanigans will send all 7 DBs at me. I wonder if he'll cry when they still don't get to Josh.

I know I'll cry when Josh throws an incompletion despite all that.[/quote]

Don't underestimate the Redskins defense. There's a reason that the Redskins are beating themselves defensively. Once the Redskins coaches figure out why this is happening, our defense will play better because until now, this hasn't been happening.

Ryan Kerrigan compliments Orakpo. So does Fletcher or Riley. If you know anything about the 3-4 defense, you would know that the pass rush could come from anywhere.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;944734]If you know anything about the 3-4 defense, you would know that the pass rush could come from anywhere.[/quote]

If you knew anything about Carl Nicks, you would know he is everywhere! Ooooooh Yeeeah! Go Bucs! Carl Nicks blocks out the sun, yeah!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;944733]You and some others who post here just don't get it when it comes to exposing RGIII to a pounding in run option offense. So I'm going to try to educate you about the major points that I think jdc65 was trying to make.

Point 1: RGIII is [U]by far[/U] the most important player on this team for the [U]future[/U], not necessarily the present, of this franchise.

Point 2: RGIII must be protected as much as possible from a serious, possibly [U]career[/U] threatening or [U]career[/U] limiting injury because of his [U]extraordinary value to the future of this franchise[/U].

If I were in Dan Snyder's shoes, I would make an exception in the case of RGIII and I would "interfere" with Mike Shanahan's coaching decision to use RGIII in a run-oriented offense. I would tell him to cut it out. There is no way I would let Shanahan risk the [U]future[/U] of my franchise in trying to beat the Bengals or any other team this season. Shanahan would simply need to find another way to win or I would fire him. That's how strongly I feel about this issue.

Surely, you must realize that, in defending the run option that a defender is always assigned to tackle the QB. Only the Skins opponents are not just trying to bring down RGIII - they are trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can. It is only a matter of time before RGIII is seriously hurt when running these types of plays. This is not Baylor. It is the NFL, where the big boys play.[/quote]

Excellent post KI. It's like folks were either too young or just didn't watch football when Vick was a Falcon. No starting caliber NFL QB can take the kind of pounding RG3 has so far. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a slight concussion from yesterday's game.

In three seasons the Shanahans have been patently unable to generate points with a conventional offense. Now they're risking the franchise QB to cover that fact. It's extremely shortsighted, and frankly irresponsible. I don't think Danny's so dumb he'll let it go on.

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where was aldrick?

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[quote=los panda;944742]where was aldrick?[/quote]

I think the receivers are taking turns on gameday as to which of them is really going to hustle and try to get open or make a play.

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I could be completely wrong, but I imagine that the Shanahans are using the current form for several reasons:

1) as SS said, it helps Griffin transition to a pro offense, and still be on the field.

2) it has it's merits when run occasionally simply to keep the defense playing honest against the whole field. Something Shanny Sr has always preached.

3) and this is the jedi mind trick part, Griffin is learning the value of not getting hit. Now maybe I am overthinking, nah, I am definitely overthinking! but hear me out. When Griffin comes into the league, a guy with his speed is probably thinking yeah, it's the NFL, but it's easy. While I like the cockiness, that type of thinking will doom him in the long run. He even had said as much after the first preseason game. Now, with the hits he's taken (and I tend to think some here are overblowing it, cause a qb can take that fatal shot anywhere on the field (ask Joe Thiesmann)) maybe when the coaches say we want to move away from the option, he's thinking I can dig that, and pushes harder to perfecting his "NFL style" qb style.

4) Overall, while there have been a few kill shots, Griffin also seems to do a good to great job of positioning his body in preparation for the shot. So while I am sure he is hurting after a game, I doubt it's that much more than if he sat back and the D's just popped him

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[quote=los panda;944742]where was aldrick?[/quote]

no crud. I thought he and RGIII had something good together. My fantasy teams bore the brunt of that misguided notion :(

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[quote=los panda;944742]where was aldrick?[/quote]

getting handled. he was a ghost yesterday, disappointing. Morgan did nothing as well.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944752]I could be completely wrong, but I imagine that the Shanahans are using the current form for several reasons:

1) as SS said, it helps Griffin transition to a pro offense, and still be on the field.

2) it has it's merits when run occasionally simply to keep the defense playing honest against the whole field. Something Shanny Sr has always preached.

3) and this is the jedi mind trick part, Griffin is learning the value of not getting hit. Now maybe I am overthinking, nah, I am definitely overthinking! but hear me out. When Griffin comes into the league, a guy with his speed is probably thinking yeah, it's the NFL, but it's easy. While I like the cockiness, that type of thinking will doom him in the long run. He even had said as much after the first preseason game. Now, with the hits he's taken (and I tend to think some here are overblowing it, cause a qb can take that fatal shot anywhere on the field (ask Joe Thiesmann)) maybe when the coaches say we want to move away from the option, he's thinking I can dig that, and pushes harder to perfecting his "NFL style" qb style.

4) Overall, while there have been a few kill shots, Griffin also seems to do a good to great job of positioning his body in preparation for the shot. So while I am sure he is hurting after a game, I doubt it's that much more than if he sat back and the D's just popped him[/QUOTE]

All but number three. Not because i am not a huuuuge fan of the jedi mind trick. Cus i am. I just dont thick they would have to trick griff into perfecting anything. I think he knows that he had to get away from baylor and into the pros asap.

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Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..

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I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense.

We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;944763]Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..[/QUOTE]

Cause and effect there. When pg gets back i think we will see big things out of hank. He is on the way.

[QUOTE=Bucket;944767]I like our offense atm, and I do think it can be successful because you don't average 31 points and have a near flawless red zone % by not having a good offense.

We control the clock and put up the points.. The Defense isn't doing it's part atm, but I believe that can change. Players can get better and with practice i'm hoping that happens.[/QUOTE]

I hope merriweather helps. If he can be anything like his probowl year it would maybe be just enough to win these shootouts were getting in. We only have to be slightly better on defense to win these games. Saw glimpses in the third quarter yesterday that there was still a pulse.

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I'm of the belief that the Redskins do need to protect RG3 for the long-term. I'm also of the belief that "conventional" offense is not always the way to do that. But most of all, I'm of the belief that if you're not willing to be creative and unconventional with such a play maker of RG3's caliber....then you shouldn't have bothered drafting him.

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[quote=punch it in;944610]I am not looking to pull any plugs. ( well maybe hasletts) and i understand that this current regime is cleaning up a huuuuuge mess. Im just asking the question - how long does shanallen have in your minds before you expect to be told "ok folks this year we have a shot at the playoffs?"[/quote]

I think next year we'll be in the playoffs. Right now the perfect team example is Green Bay. Aaron Rodgers took over in 09 and went 6-10 in his first year, which right now looks like the direction we're headed in. The year after they went 11-5 and lost to Arizona in the playoffs. Year after that they went 10-6 and won the super bowl.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;944774]I'm of the belief that the Redskins do need to protect RG3 for the long-term. I'm also of the belief that "conventional" offense is not always the way to do that. But most of all, I'm of the belief that if you're not willing to be creative and unconventional with such a play maker of RG3's caliber....then you shouldn't have bothered drafting him.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for different types of offense. As long as he isn't taking a consistent beating. Spread 5 wide and let him run around. Run the option too. mix it up and be mindful that option plays and designed runs are putting the QB on a platter.

I think there is a fine line between creativity and stupidity. If RG3 is consistently taking 10+ runs per game and nearly 20 hits per game, I think the playcalling is leaning towards the latter. Even if your goal is short term success, these sorts of plays put your greatest playmaker (as you've said) at risk.

You draft RG3 because of his skill set. But you want him to have the chance to showcase those skills for 16 games.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;944733]You and some others who post here just don't get it when it comes to exposing RGIII to a pounding in run option offense. [B]So I'm going to try to educate you about the major points that I think jdc65 was trying to make.[/B][/quote]

Yes. Please, I am in need of education. You, and others with a similar need to educate, are clearly one step away from an NFL coaching job so arguments counter to your assumptions must simply be made by the blind and uninformed. Please - share your particular brand of brilliance.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;944733]Point 1: RGIII is [U]by far[/U] the most important player on this team for the [U]future[/U], not necessarily the present, of this franchise.

Point 2: RGIII must be protected as much as possible from a serious, possibly [U]career[/U] threatening or [U]career[/U] limiting injury because of his [U]extraordinary value to the future of this franchise[/U].[/quote]

You left out Point 3: In it's current state, the Skins O-Line cannot provide consistent protection for a 7 step drop and would be troubled even in a 5 step drop scheme. In a traditional offense, RGIII would be exposed to brutal blind side hits every time he drops back to pass. Given the state of our line, our running game would be ineffective and, as such, play action would have a limited ability to slow down the rush. Without the ability to manufacture points through the option, we would be playing from behind often allowing opposing D's to pin back their ears against our already overmatched line. Even using his athleticism to create time, traditional scrambling would expose him to hits by LB's or DB's w/ a running head start at him and/or hits similar to the ones taken while running the designed option.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;944733]If I were in Dan Snyder's shoes, I would make an exception in the case of RGIII and I would "interfere" with Mike Shanahan's coaching decision to use RGIII in a run-oriented offense. I would tell him to cut it out. There is no way I would let Shanahan risk the [U]future[/U] of my franchise in trying to beat the Bengals or any other team this season. Shanahan would simply need to find another way to win or I would fire him. That's how strongly I feel about this issue.[/quote]

Hi Vinny! Yup, overriding the coach's authority can lead to nothing but long term success for players.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;944733]Surely, you must realize that, in defending the run option that a defender is always assigned to tackle the QB. Only the Skins opponents are not just trying to bring down RGIII - they are trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can. It is only a matter of time before RGIII is seriously hurt when running these types of plays. This is not Baylor. It is the NFL, where the big boys play.[/quote]

Because during a traditional pass play, w/out the option, the entire DL is [I]not[/I] "trying to crush him, to punish him as much as they possibly can[.]" Insanity.

The option has one DL assigned hit the QB. True enough - at the same time, the hit generally can be seen coming and RGII has been very good about bracing for such hits. Additionally, the option has been successful in (1) manufacturing points; (2) slowing down the rush in both passing off the option and in the traditional drop backs; and (3) limiting the number of tacklers hitting RGIII on any running play or scramble b/c, just as they must account for RGIII, given his ability to read the [I]entire[/I] field, the defenders cannot sell out to converge on him.

I am not a coach, I am Joe schmoe watching an offense that doesn't work like a traditional drop back/play action passing game. At the same time, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the hits RGIII is exposed to are different than the hits he would be exposed to in a traditional offense.

It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to see RGIII is comfortable in the offense and adapting to NFL speed within it. As opposed to being pounded into the dirt time and time again in a drop back offense, and gaining neither confidence or adapting to the violence, RGIII is getting to play the game he is used to, taking hits in a manner he is accustomed to. To many young QB's get gun-shy, start getting happy feet, lose their confidence and have their careers cut-short by being forced playing both an unfamiliar offense on a bad team where they get hit every drop back. Once they start hearing feet, most never recover. Ever.

To poor uneducated me, the offensive design makes the best use of our currently configured O-line and creates an opportunity for RGIII to succeed now and in the future. You don't. I completely understand your points just as I have completely understood others with similar positions ... no need to educate me further. I understand the risks created by this offense and disagree that, without entirely writing off this season, they are greater than those incurred by inserting RGIII into a traditional NFL offense.

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[quote=aircoryell;944717]Points are empty? Please enlighten me![/quote]

Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .

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[quote=skinsfaninok;944763]Hank really hasn't proven to be a go to guy yet, and without PG our WRs just aren't getting open..[/quote]

Tana is still our best WR before the catch i.e. creating space. They are definitely trying to work the other guys though.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;944781]Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .[/quote]

And last year we scored:
0 v. Bills (30D)
13 v. Panthers (27D)
17 v. Rams (26D)

All losses.

We are 1-2, one game out of the lead in our division and two games behind the team with the best record in the NFL.

If you don't see the improvement in and potential wins due to point production, fine.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;944781]Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .[/quote]

The original statement you answered "empty stats" to was about the offense. You're either suggesting the offense is to fault for the last two losses or who the opponent is, or you've completely changed your argument.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;944799]And last year we scored:
0 v. Bills (30D)
13 v. Panthers (27D)
17 v. Rams (26D)

All losses.

We are 1-2, one game out of the lead in our division and two games behind the team with the best record in the NFL.

If you don't see the improvement in and potential wins due to point production, fine.[/quote]


but but last year we were 3 - 0.

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[quote=aircoryell;944802]The original statement you answered "empty stats" to was about the offense. You're either suggesting the offense is to fault for the last two losses or who the opponent is, or you've completely changed your argument.[/quote]

I apologize if it seemed i was singling out the O for the last two, it has by far been a team effort. Skins havnt looked good the last two weeks, team discipline, oline, defense, secondary special teams, pick one. Could care less about stats Skins are 1-2.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;944804]but but last year we were 3 - 0.[/quote]

Ohhhh snap!

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;944781]Im not much on stats but rather the product on the field, congratulations you've scored points vs Saints (22D), Rams(31D) and Cinci (32D). You are what your record says you are. 1-2 .[/quote]

You've changed an argument about the offense only into an argument which includes defense and special teams. But this particular discussion is about the offense alone.

I thought that the offense started much too slowly against Cinci. Yet we still lead the NFL in scoring and are doing quite well scoring points even if we leave out defensive scores.

I agree with those folks who are excited about the offense. We have an offense which is fun to watch. When in the heck have we been in a position to say that? IMO appreciation of our current team begins with appreciation for having an offense which makes people around the NFL world talk in a good way.

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Hi . This is Jordan Shipley.

Being from Texas I saw plenty of RGIII at Baylor and I can tell you that he's a bum.

I signed with Tampa as soon as I saw the Redskins were on the schedule.

Have you guys seen me return kicks lately ? ....I'm a beast . I might have muffed a kick last week but don't let that fool you . I want my film to look bad so I can own the Redskins .

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Attention all new Bucs fans...this thread has nothing to do with you guys, so save it for the Bucs thread when we talk about the upcoming game

Also, tell us what board you're coming from so we can participate there as well

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Remember in D'Boyz prediction thread, I said only people who come here talking trash deserve trash talked back. Yeahhhh. There's example a.

But not in this thread. :D

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My fans are coming from tbaybucs.com . We are ready and willing for all trolls. Just tell them Jordan Shipley sent you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;944811]Attention all new Bucs fans...this thread has nothing to do with you guys, so save it for the Bucs thread when we talk about the upcoming game

Also, tell us what board you're coming from so we can participate there as well[/quote]find me at the party, "dead dogs" is the handle

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[quote=Jordan Shipley Whiteskin;944815]My fans are coming from tbaybucs.com . We are ready and willing for all trolls. Just tell them Jordan Shipley sent you.[/quote]

You'll have more fun time over at the "official" Redskins forums.

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/index.php]EXTREMESKINS.com[/url]


Bigger audience. More idiots who might bite at your troll attempts.