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Some of the positions coaches need to go. Slowik should not be coaching linebackers and really doesn't have a place on this staff unless its special teams coach. Kerrigan and Rack have regressed IMO. Mike Singletary or Monte Coleman, Someone who played the position and talk about secondary move to get to the QB

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[quote=irish;1040727]Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.[/quote]

Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.

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Or Manny Diaz formerly of Texas would be a good add

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1040704]Well said, and all those factor add up, even though it seems like there are people who discount all or some of it. I don't know about an extension, but it sure seems like MS ought to get to finish his contract.[/quote]This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.

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The cap hit, previous regime mistakes, or anything else "circumstantial" has absolutely no bearing on team preparedness, discipline, intensity, clock management, current coaching failures (play-calling, scheme). In those categories, we're among the very worst in the league, and again they have nothing to do with anything pre-Shanahan.

But some of you are right, you/I/we don't know what the problem is at Redskins park or how it gets solved. The problem, and this really is what coaching is all about, is it looks less and less like anyone currently on staff knows how to fix it either. Week after week, season after season, we the same piss poor stuff.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1040740]This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like [B]adding a number of small excuses together [/B]just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.[/quote]

I don't look at the things I listed as "small" or excuses. I just see them as part of the hand MS was delt.

I am also of the opinion that at least with the same HC we can keep as sense of continuity. I know that it can be said that why would we want to continue this, but in all fairness I want MS to have a fair shot at turning this around for SUSTAINED success and to this point I don't think we can say that.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040732]Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.[/quote]

I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.

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[quote=irish;1040752]I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide.[B] The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again[/B].[/quote]


I agree.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride" as Hunter S Thompson would say.

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[quote=irish;1040752]I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.[/quote]

Ok we're talking semantics now... so say we had even 2-3 quality players left from that time, is that enough to make a big difference now? There's no saying if those guys would even be around considering Shanahan has turned over 99% of this roster in his time here, as most coaches do when they take over a team.

I think there's so many variables involved and we're too far removed to be able to place any quantifiable blame with past regimes especially one as far back now as Gibbs.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040759]Ok we're talking semantics now... so say we had even 2-3 quality players left from that time, is that enough to make a big difference now? There's no saying if those guys would even be around considering Shanahan has turned over 99% of this roster in his time here, as most coaches do when they take over a team.

I think there's so many variables involved and we're too far removed to be able to place any quantifiable blame with past regimes especially one as far back now as Gibbs.[/quote]

Gibbs isnt totally to blame, he was one part of a long series of screw-ups and mismanagement. But like I said in an earlier post, instead of helping to dig the Skins out of their hole Gibbs dug the hole deeper.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040732]Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

[B]Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.[/B]

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.[/quote]

And that right there is why I'm very hesitant about getting rid of Mike Shanahan - especially after [I]this[/I] season. The team as a whole does not need to be blown up nor does a new regime need to come in and replace what's working. The offense is fine, the offensive philosophy is fine. Give the playcalling duties to Mike if need be, but unless the 'skins are adding a few pieces to the offense, it doesn't need to be touched.

Now, the rest of the team is a different story. I like Ryan Kerrigan, but I don't really care if a new regime blows the defense and special teams completely up at all. More power to them.

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You know who the one person who has consistently been there through terrible signings, coaching changes and teams playing terribly...

Daniel Snyder

But how about we see what Shanahan does for the rest of the season, if he finishes with a record around .500 like 7-9 or 8-8 and the team looks good, I think he bought himself one more year. If he finishes 5-11 or worst he needs to go. That is just my opinion on the matter.

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should have kept Marty

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[quote=skinsguy;1040761]And that right there is why I'm very hesitant about getting rid of Mike Shanahan - especially after [I]this[/I] season. The team as a whole does not need to be blown up nor does a new regime need to come in and replace what's working. The offense is fine, the offensive philosophy is fine. Give the playcalling duties to Mike if need be, but unless the 'skins are adding a few pieces to the offense, it doesn't need to be touched.

Now, the rest of the team is a different story. I like Ryan Kerrigan, but I don't really care if a new regime blows the defense and special teams completely up at all. More power to them.[/quote]

Yep and another HC change is going to mean significant changes across the roster whether it's broken or not. I hope people realize that.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040766]Yep and another HC change is going to mean significant changes across the roster whether it's broken or not. I hope people realize that[B].[/B][/quote]

Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing!

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In regards to the polls, I voted, "Wait and see" but its more of a wait and see, leaning towards a yes. But if by some punishment from God, we keep losing and end the season 6-10 or worse, then it's time to give Mike the old heave ho.

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[quote=The Goat;1040773]Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing![/quote]

You're assuming a new coaching staff is not going to touch the offense. That's a lot to assume.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1040736]Or Manny Diaz formerly of Texas would be a good add[/quote]

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^ lol, we need someone to develop the players coming in. I don't think Slowick can do that.

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[quote=The Goat;1040773]Not necessarily. Not necessarily at all, really. I mean after three seasons it'll be a different roster, but that's to be expected anyway.

A decent coach will look to use the talent already here, and of course add to it. A smart coach will use the talent already here better than it's used now, plus add more talent.

I don't think a new coach automatically has a priority to blow up the roster and try to remake the team into something different over night. Just because it's Shanny's way of operating doesn't mean the next guy takes the same approach, and that's a good thing![/quote]

Unless you want to hire a figurehead like Zorn, a new coach always brings a new philosophy in terms of systems, personnel and team building. Look at when Denver got rid of Shanahan. McDaniels takes over and wastes no time getting rid of Cutler and later Marshall.

You can't assume a new coach is going to take over and just ride with what we've got. More often than not significant changes happen.

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[quote=skinsguy;1040778]You're assuming a new coaching staff is not going to touch the offense. That's a lot to assume.[/quote]

I'm hoping they do touch the offense actually. Seeing our smaller, lighter oline get trucked, especially on passing downs, and our franchise QB get trucked shortly thereafter, game after game, I'm not a believer in Mikes version of the zone blocking system. And I think Alfmo will be a great back behind any (good oline). And we all agree wr talent needs to be added. So there's plenty of touching required on offense and defense.

This notion recently sprung up that our offense good to go, this same offense that could only score 3 points in a half against the lowly Vikings, already has my ass twitching.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040784]Unless you want to hire a figurehead like Zorn, a new coach always brings a new philosophy in terms of systems, personnel and team building. Look at when Denver got rid of Shanahan. McDaniels takes over and wastes no time getting rid of Cutler and later Marshall.

You can't assume a new coach is going to take over and just ride with what we've got. More often than not significant changes happen.[/quote]

Kind of interesting that you cite two regime changes where the newcomer blows it up, and struggles mightily. I guess for you it's got to be all or nothing? Couldn't be a situation like Harbaugh in SF, Carroll in Seattle, Gruden who we see every week on the boobtube or the myriad other coaches who've taken a team with talent and made it better.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;1032694]JOE GIBBS I I I would be J G I I I to go with R G I I I[/quote]

Someone on another board said the same thing, Joe Gibbs. Is this just a joke? I hope it's not serious. Would Joe Gibbs really come back, or is he even being discussed???

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[quote=The Goat;1040789]Kind of interesting that you cite two regime changes where the newcomer blows it up, and struggles mightily. I guess for you it's got to be all or nothing? Couldn't be a situation like Harbaugh in SF, Carroll in Seattle, Gruden who we see every week on the boobtube or the myriad other coaches who've taken a team with talent and made it better.[/quote]

It might be an extreme example, but still, you can't rule it out. When new coaches come in it's usually because a lot is broken and the last guy couldn't get it right.

What did Carroll take over in Seattle exactly? They were a mess when he got there coming off 9 wins in 2 years.

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[quote=The Goat;1040788]I'm hoping they do touch the offense actually. Seeing our smaller, lighter oline get trucked, especially on passing downs, and our franchise QB get trucked shortly thereafter, game after game, I'm not a believer in Mikes version of the zone blocking system. And I think Alfmo will be a great back behind any (good oline). And we all agree wr talent needs to be added. So there's plenty of touching required on offense and defense.

This notion recently sprung up that our offense good to go, this same offense that could only score 3 points in a half against the lowly Vikings, already has my ass twitching.[/quote]

If we had even a middle of the pack D we would be much better off right now.

The offense is top 10 in yards and points.

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Likely will NOT be Art Briles. He just got extended with Baylor through 2023, they buyout to come to the NFL would be significant.

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Bud Grant.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1040800]Likely will NOT be Art Briles. He just got extended with Baylor through 2023, they buyout to come to the NFL would be significant.[/quote]

It's for the best. I wasn't really on board with Briles. As nice as it would have been to have RG3 reunite with a familiar face and under a system he has had success in, it wouldn't have been a good fit overall.

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[quote=Mattyk;1040796]It might be an extreme example, but still, you can't rule it out. When new coaches come in it's usually because a lot is broken and the last guy couldn't get it right.

What did Carroll take over in Seattle exactly? They were a mess when he got there coming off 9 wins in 2 years.[/quote]

Carroll

a) added talent to an already talented team to make it a contender in three seasons

b) built a contender from nothing in three seasons

c) something between choices a or b

My answer: hire the next Pete Carroll for HC.

He's out there somewhere...

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Didn't answer the poll.

IMO Mike's future here should depend on his plan/choices to replace his OC, DC and special teams coaches. Also, how will he improve the offensive scheme to be a better pass-protecting unit and require less physical pummeling of the franchise QB. Running QBs never last, regardless whether they're "design" runners or running for their life lmao.

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I say give Shanahan a 2 year extension with the stipulation that he needs to replace Haslett and Burns and not hire any former Broncos coaches or players from his days there.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1040812]I say give Shanahan a 2 year extension with the stipulation that he needs to replace Haslett and Burns and not hire any former Broncos coaches or players from his days there.[/quote]

If Kyle were to leave I wouldn't be opposed to Kubiak as OC, assuming he is fired in HOU.

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Redskins new head coach should be..... Darrell Bevell

But...

His offense already benefits what type of roster we have, and he's a hard knock guy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1032687]The head coach and both coordinators do not add anything on game day.

Kyle is going to get a lot of credit for building the offense that is mimmicked across america on Saturdays. He's going to have employment for life. He doesn't need this specific job. He'll land on his feet.

Haslett might be nearing the end as an NFL coach. I don't think he's been that bad of a defensive coordinator. His schemes are mostly hit or miss. I just don't know what he's adding at this point for the trouble.

I don't even know what Mike Shanahan does on gamedays anymore. If you hid him in the locker room and made us play without a head coach for three quarters, I doubt anyone on earth could tell you which quarter he was present for. He's invisible.[/quote]

Mike on game days is there to scream at refs and get redder in the face.
If Kyle is respected elsewhere, then send him on his way. I don't see how building an offense around a QB and misusing him in the nfl is something to advance a career. Why aren't we trying to build a dynasty around our franchise QB? This wreck less shanahan read option only makes sense if we have 3 RG3's on the roster. What team would really draft a read option QB year in and out, when they ought to find a pocket passer and protect him?

Sundays shouldn't be an extension of Saturdays.

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[quote=Bucket;1040815]Redskins new head coach should be..... Darrell Bevell

But...

His offense already benefits what type of roster we have, and he's a hard knock guy.[/quote]

Roman, Shaw and Bevell are my candidates, but I say give Shanahan the chance to do something with cap space money. My only concern is who he selects as his D coordinator, it better be good like Zimmerman, Manusky, Fewell.

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[quote=The Goat;1040810]Carroll

a) added talent to an already talented team to make it a contender in three seasons

b) built a contender from nothing in three seasons

c) something between choices a or b

My answer: hire the next Pete Carroll for HC.

He's out there somewhere...[/quote]

Carroll turned that roster over very effectively, and very quickly.

I just don't agree they had much talent to begin with, he pretty much gutted that team. If anything you should give him more credit for really putting his stamp on them. He's also one of the few guys in the league along with Shanahan that has almost total control. I thought you weren't a fan of that setup?

[quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Carroll]Pete Carroll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

On the morning of January 9, 2010, Carroll reportedly came to agreement with the Seahawks on a 5-year contract that would appoint him as head coach.[69] He was officially hired as the Seahawks head coach on January 11.[44] He was also named executive vice president of football operations, effectively making him the Seahawks' general manager as well. While the Seahawks have a general manager in John Schneider, he serves mainly in an advisory role to Carroll, who has the final say in football matters. In fact, Schneider was actually hired by Carroll--a rare case of the head coach hiring the general manager. He is one of four current NFL coaches who also have the title or powers of general manager, along with the Patriots' Bill Belichick, Washington Redskins' Mike Shanahan and Kansas City Chiefs Andy Reid.

In his first season, Carroll almost completely overturned the Seahawks roster, totaling over 200 transactions in the course of only one season. However, these moves paved the way for a 4–2 start to the 2010 season.[/quote]

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Where would Seattle be had they rolled with Matt Flynn as their QB?

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Bud Kilmer

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[quote=Mattyk;1040819]Carroll turned that roster over very effectively, and very quickly.

I just don't agree they had much talent to begin with, he pretty much gutted that team. If anything you should give him more credit for really putting his stamp on them. He's also one of the few guys in the league along with Shanahan that has almost total control. I thought you weren't a fan of that setup?[/quote]

PC did turnover the roster but they had some decent talent when he came in since they won their division in 2003,4,5,6,7 and went to SB XL in 2006. Obviously the were a perennial playoff contender when he took over. Not quite the case when MS took over the Skins.

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[quote=irish;1040844]PC did turnover the roster but they had some decent talent when he came in since they won their division in 2003,4,5,6,7 and went to SB XL in 2006. [B]Obviously the were a perennial playoff contender when he took over.[/B] Not quite the case when MS took over the Skins.[/quote]

Not quite. They were coming off a 5 win season in 2009 and a 4 win season in 2008.