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[quote=The Goat;1051352]Geez I'm surprised he would consider Dallas. Does he have a connection to Jerra?
Houston doesn't have a QB but will have a high enough pick to draft one I guess, or he gets Cutler or Mcgown in FA.

What's the connection with Moracco Brown?[/quote]

Born and raised near Dallas

On the Bears staff together

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[quote=Giantone;1051328]No , you would be wrong ,I'm asking who (what individual) he thinks will take the job ?[/quote]
Got it....
It should be a pretty good gig

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[quote=skinsguy;1051336]And one of the most well respected former coaches, Joe Gibbs, has worked with Snyder and had a very good working relationship with him - so it goes either way. Just because one well respected coach wouldn't work for Snyder doesn't mean no other well respected coach wouldn't as well. And secondly, why is it that the head coach must be a big name? This sounds like Vinny Cerrato / Gerry Snyder talk.[/quote]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]We keep discussing who our next coach will be and how the Redskins won’t be able to get a top tier coach. Let’s discuss the top tier coaches that are currently available. The only one that may coach again is Jon Gruden. So when Tony Dungy says “He would never coach for an owner like Snyder” I don’t care. He was a tier 2 coach until he went to Indy.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Tony Dungy – analyst, probably will not coach again Win% 139-69[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt Tampa but couldn’t win the big game[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Went to Indy and won a super bowl with Peyton Manning[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Jon Gruden – analyst, probably will coach again Win% [/SIZE][COLOR=black]95–81 (.540)[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt the Raiders but couldn’t win the big game[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Went to Tampa and won a super bowl[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Bill Cohwer – analyst, probably will not coach again Win% 149–90–1[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt the Steelers and won multiple super bowls[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Brian Billick – analyst, probably will not coach again Win% [/SIZE][COLOR=black]85-67-0[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt the Ravens and won a super bowl[/SIZE][/FONT]

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While Shanny hasn’t been successful in Washington, he has made the job easier for the next coach. Shanny brought in Bruce Allen to manage Danny, and Bruce has been successful at keeping Dan in the back ground. While I believe they need to bring in a new GM to help with player evaluation, the next coach shouldn’t have to deal with the owner meddling in the day to day activities.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1051357][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]We keep discussing who our next coach will be and how the Redskins won’t be able to get a top tier coach. Let’s discuss the top tier coaches that are currently available. The only one that may coach again is Jon Gruden. So when Tony Dungy says “He would never coach for an owner like Snyder” I don’t care. He was a tier 2 coach until he went to Indy.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Tony Dungy – analyst, probably will not coach again Win% 139-69[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt Tampa but couldn’t win the big game[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Went to Indy and won a super bowl with Peyton Manning[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Jon Gruden – analyst, probably will coach again Win% [/SIZE][COLOR=black]95–81 (.540)[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt the Raiders but couldn’t win the big game[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Went to Tampa and won a super bowl[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Bill Cohwer – analyst, probably will not coach again Win% 149–90–1[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][B]Rebuilt the Steelers and won multiple super bowls[/B][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Brian Billick – analyst, probably will not coach again Win% [/SIZE][COLOR=black]85-67-0[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Symbol][SIZE=3]·[/SIZE] [/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Rebuilt the Ravens and won a super bowl[/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]


Ummmm........ He won one Super Bowl.

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You are correct, for some reason I though he won 2.

Bevell, Roman, or Jay Gruden......ill take any of them and be happy.

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Would be a shame if Bill Obrien went to Houston before we even got an interview

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051202]Rg2 has been lobbying for the guy.... You think he's done that without rg3s blessing? Are you that naive? Either way, it doesn't matter - Chris's Russell said that based in his sources, Snyder and Allen have no interest in Briles. Thank goodness for that.[/quote]

You mean the same Chris Russell that said Daniel Snyder & Bruce Allen had interest in Art Briles based on his sources 5 weeks ago on the sports fix? That Chris Russell? The Chris Russell that said based on his sources the Redskins were going to sign Matt Flynn and were not interested in P.Manning? That Chris Russell? The same Chris Russell that thinks Jim Haslett is a defensive god and that Bill Cowher is going to suit up and ride to Ashburn in a pumpkin? That Chris Russsell?

Can't think of a name that carries less weight in regards to Redskins information than that Chris Russell...

I'll go back to watching the mayhem..

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[quote=Bucket;1051364]Would be a shame if Bill Obrien went to Houston before we even got an interview[/quote]

No it wouldn't. Gives us a higher likelihood to grab Lovie then, assuming Garrett keeps his job another year. I think he will.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051354]Born and raised near Dallas

On the Bears staff together[/quote]

Ahhhhh. Music to my ears. You ought to get Morocco on the horn and put this deal together for us ;)

Someone just got toasted.

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I'm not sure that I get the love for Lovie. In 9 seasons in Chicago:

wins 81
wins per year 9
losses 63
win pct. .563

3 playoffs in 9 years
playoffs win pct. .500
1 conference championship

That is an average to a bit above average record to me. But it is nothing that great. 2 out of every 3 years as a coach he watched the playoffs from the couch just like me.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SmitLo0.htm]Lovie Smith Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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I'm gonna toss a name out there, Aaron Kromer. Worked under Sean Payton and now Marc Trestman, 2 QB gurus. He's an offensive line guy so you know he would prioritize that unit. Ties to Bruce Allen from Tampa. Should be able to get a good staff together.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=punch it in;1051363]Bevell, Roman, or Jay Gruden......ill take any of them and be happy.[/QUOTE]

Or Bowles

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[quote=HTTR247;1051365]You mean the same Chris Russell that said Daniel Snyder & Bruce Allen had interest in Art Briles based on his sources 5 weeks ago on the sports fix? That Chris Russell? The Chris Russell that said based on his sources the Redskins were going to sign Matt Flynn and were not interested in P.Manning? That Chris Russell? The same Chris Russell that thinks Jim Haslett is a defensive god and that Bill Cowher is going to suit up and ride to Ashburn in a pumpkin? That Chris Russsell?

Can't think of a name that carries less weight in regards to Redskins information than that Chris Russell...

I'll go back to watching the mayhem..

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If briles comes here this is no longer the washingon redskins but the Washington Robert griffins. You don't let a stubborn arrogant young quarterback and his dad who lives vicariously through him bring in his college coach. What the hell kind of message does that send to the locker room. Atleast for 3 more years when rg3 is out of the league because he can't cut it as a pocket passer. Rg3 playing the way rg2 and rg3 want him to play is not sustainable. Kyle Shanahan tried to help him become a better pocket passer and he rejected the coaching. He's a diva and will ultimately proved to be a mistake that set the franchise back years.

Right now Lovie smith is the only available head coaching candidate that I think can actually do better than Shanahan here. I hope we can get him somehow.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051373]If briles comes here this is no longer the washingon redskins but the Washington Robert griffins. You don't let a stubborn arrogant young quarterback and his dad who lives vicariously through him bring in his college coach. What the hell kind of message does that send to the locker room. Atleast for 3 more years when rg3 is out of the league because he can't cut it as a pocket passer. Rg3 playing the way rg2 and rg3 want him to play is not sustainable. Kyle Shanahan tried to help him become a better pocket passer and he rejected the coaching. He's a diva and will ultimately proved to be a mistake that set the franchise back years.

Right now Lovie smith is the only available head coaching candidate that I think can actually do better than Shanahan here. I hope we can get him somehow.[/quote]

So your convince RG3 is useless and you'd go with a Lovie Smith who offenses have struggled immensely? Our next coaching hire should be an offense head coach whose primary focus should be the development of RG3 into the top 5 QB talent he is. You need to go back to last year and see the quick transition he showed, the RG3 has already proven he can excel at this level.

Im personally just as lost on the Lovie Smith HC angle as much as your disdain for the greatest offensive weapon since "the posse" and "the hogs" era in DC.

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32 teams
2000 players
1000 coaches
Lovie Smith is the ONLY answer?
Makes........sense..

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Rich Tandler posted this on FB

So, the popular narrative is that the Redskins won't be able to find a good coach because they have been unstable at the position since Snyder has owned the team.

But it must be noted that since 1999 the Redskins have had six coaches not counting 3-game interim Terry Robiskie. The Cowboys have had five; so have the Lions (plus two interims). Is there any talk that those teams won't be able to find a coach if they decide to make a move? And don't tell me Snyder meddles and then look at Jerry Jones and say a coach would be more comfortable under him. And the Ford family does zip.

Head coach of the Redskins might not be the ideal job. But most of the ideal jobs aren't open and aren't going to open. The Redskins have a potential star QB in Robert Griffin III, a decent amount of cap room this year and a pretty well set up for the cap going forward, and an owner who will spend.

Is the Vikings job better with Adrian Peterson perhaps slowing down with a ton of money left on his contract and no solution to the QB position on the roster?

How about the Jets with their QB mess and circus atmosphere that makes DC look tame?

The Redskins job is not for everyone. Evidently Tony Dungy isn't interested but nobody really asked him, either. Some will think that other options are better. But even though it may not be the plum job of the NFL, it's better than others that will be open.

I think people will be surprised at the amount of interest there is in the job.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1051373]If briles comes here this is no longer the washingon redskins but the Washington Robert griffins. You don't let a stubborn arrogant young quarterback and his dad who lives vicariously through him bring in his college coach. What the hell kind of message does that send to the locker room. Atleast for 3 more years when rg3 is out of the league because he can't cut it as a pocket passer. Rg3 playing the way rg2 and rg3 want him to play is not sustainable. Kyle Shanahan tried to help him become a better pocket passer and he rejected the coaching. He's a diva and will ultimately proved to be a mistake that set the franchise back years.

Right now Lovie smith is the only available head coaching candidate that I think can actually do better than Shanahan here. I hope we can get him somehow.[/QUOTE]

My fucking dog could do better than Shanahan did here.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051395]Rich Tandler posted this on FB

I think people will be surprised at the amount of interest there is in the job.

[/quote]

Of course they will be! That is especially true of most media types. They somehow came to a consensus viewpoint on Dan Snyder and they have stuck to it for many years, regardless of any obvious changes that have occurred in the way he runs his franchise.

How good is the job? Well, to start with, there are only 32 NFL Head Coach jobs in the entire world! Only a small percentage of those jobs come open each year and the pool of jobs is more attractive in some years than in others.

This year, most of the job openings are not going to be very attractive, IMO. So, relatively speaking, the Redskins job would be more appealing this year than it would be in some other years. Because of this, I think that the Redskins will have many good candidates to choose from.

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People have brought up the name Art Briles, who is to say that maybe Jerry Jones targets him as his next coach and doesn't have to move from Texas. Wouldn't surprise me.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1051403]People have brought up the name Art Briles, who is to say that maybe Jerry Jones targets him as his next coach and doesn't have to move from Texas. Wouldn't surprise me.[/QUOTE]

I think Garrett will be back in Dallas next year.

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[quote=punch it in;1051416]I think Garrett will be back in Dallas next year.[/quote]

He was gone if Romo didn't make those annoying plays at the end of our game(at least that's my understanding), if they lose to the Eagles there is no way Garrett returns. I really am not sure a 9-7 playoff berth keeps him if they don't win the playoff game.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1051403]People have brought up the name Art Briles, who is to say that maybe Jerry Jones targets him as his next coach and doesn't have to move from Texas. Wouldn't surprise me.[/quote]

Dallas/Briles vs Skins/RG3 would be a media field day.

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So RG3 is now stubborn and arrogant?

The guy doesn't want to run the read option and would rather develop in to a pocket QB like all the fans want him to, so that makes him stubborn?

He's not pulling Falco and changing the plays called.

Head Coach and QB don't see eye to eye on some issues, so that makes the QB stubborn? You do realize that the head coach he might disagree with is 23-34 or something in Washington?

Just baffles me that people can label a guy arrogant and stubborn because he's done a few subway commercials.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1051419]He was gone if Romo didn't make those annoying plays at the end of our game(at least that's my understanding), if they lose to the Eagles there is no way Garrett returns. I really am not sure a 9-7 playoff berth keeps him if they don't win the playoff game.[/QUOTE]

If they lose to the Eagles it is with Romo on the sideline though and that to might save his job. He is a perfect little yes man for Jerry.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1051421]So RG3 is now stubborn and arrogant?

The guy doesn't want to run the read option and would rather develop in to a pocket QB like all the fans want him to, so that makes him stubborn?

He's not pulling Falco and changing the plays called.

Head Coach and QB don't see eye to eye on some issues, so that makes the QB stubborn? You do realize that the head coach he might disagree with is 23-34 or something in Washington?

Just baffles me that people can label a guy arrogant and stubborn because he's done a few subway commercials.[/QUOTE]

Im glad you finally realize that Shanny is a loser.

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I'm on the Bill O'Brien buss with Rex Ryan or Ken Norton Jr. as DC. It's time for Snyder to spend his money on creating a star coach.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051395]Rich Tandler posted this on FB

So, the popular narrative is that the Redskins won't be able to find a good coach because they have been unstable at the position since Snyder has owned the team.

But it must be noted that since 1999 the Redskins have had six coaches not counting 3-game interim Terry Robiskie. The Cowboys have had five; so have the Lions (plus two interims). Is there any talk that those teams won't be able to find a coach if they decide to make a move? And don't tell me Snyder meddles and then look at Jerry Jones and say a coach would be more comfortable under him. And the Ford family does zip.

.[/quote]



Yes there has been similar talk of instability about all the organizations you mention .Many have said and believe that until Jerry Jones gives up the GM job they will suck .Same for the Lions after the Matt Millen disaster ,and yes the Jets also for years .

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1051427]I'm on the Bill O'Brien buss with Rex Ryan or Ken Norton Jr. as DC. It's time for Snyder to spend his money on creating a star coach.[/quote]

Like he did with spurrier and zorn? The only successful seasons we've had under Snyder have been with proven established head coaches. We haven't had continued success with anyone. I don't think Snyder, or Allen for that matter, has the skill to pick the right college coach or nfl Coordinator who can step into the head coaching role and have immediate success

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051373]If briles comes here this is no longer the washingon redskins but the Washington Robert griffins. You don't let a stubborn arrogant young quarterback and his dad who lives vicariously through him bring in his college coach. What the hell kind of message does that send to the locker room. Atleast for 3 more years when rg3 is out of the league because he can't cut it as a pocket passer. Rg3 playing the way rg2 and rg3 want him to play is not sustainable. Kyle Shanahan tried to help him become a better pocket passer and he rejected the coaching. He's a diva and will ultimately proved to be a mistake that set the franchise back years.

Right now Lovie smith is the only available head coaching candidate that I think can actually do better than Shanahan here. I hope we can get him somehow.[/quote]

Its important we show Griffin who the boss is forget winning games. Hell just to show we are the average play Cousins/Schaub/Ryan/Grossman hell they are the same player anyway. (mediocre) but lots of yards they thow the ball out quick. Cousin is not Brady we would have saw it by now.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051429]Like he did with spurrier and zorn? The only successful seasons we've had under Snyder have been with proven established head coaches. We haven't had continued success with anyone. I don't think Snyder, or Allen for that matter, has the skill to pick the right college coach or nfl Coordinator who can step into the head coaching role and have immediate success[/quote]

Yea cause Shanahan and Marty were really successful in Washington.

Also how many "established" super bowl winning coaches went on to win super bowls with other teams?

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[quote=donofriose;1051437]Yea cause Shanahan and Marty were really successful in Washington.

Also how many "established" super bowl winning coaches went on to win super bowls with other teams?[/quote]

They did better than the unproven hires. Gibbs and Shanahan had winning playoff seasons. Marty likely wouldn't have taken us to multiple playoff years had Snyder stuck with him.

Also, regarding the silly Brady-cousins comparison, no ones saying cousin is Brady. But Brady didn't become Brady right away either.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051440]They did better than the unproven hires. Gibbs and Shanahan had winning playoff seasons. Marty likely wouldn't have taken us to multiple playoff years had Snyder stuck with him.

Also, regarding the silly Brady-cousins comparison, no ones saying cousin is Brady. But Brady didn't become Brady right away either.[/quote]

Look around the league and look at the coaches that are having success. Almost every single one of them were unproven or if they had coaching experience before, failed badly. I think its time the Skins started trying to copy success instead of doing it the way their fans want them to do it or creating their own, terribly bad ways of building a team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1047052]I nearly included Raheem[/quote]

Of those I would have voted for Raheem, he seems to be a true players coach and he got a raw deal in tampa after doing good work with nothing.

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[quote=Krusheasy;1051376]Jason La Confora discusses HC options, football operations & field conditions with HTTR 24/7

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All questions/concerns I've voiced for years...

Doesn't seem like Shanny can pull a pro level staff together. We can debate the reason for that ie my intuition is because he's an egomaniac jerkoff not many people want to associate with him vs (maybe) Shanny picked this group because it gave him max control. But the bottom line is the end result: piss poor coaching and personnel in the FO.

Kyle was in WAY over his head. Kiddo has no business running an offense. In Houston he called plays from the Kubiak playbook but didn't really do much otherwise. It was a Cush position. He came here and couldn't scheme his way out of a paper bag, except that an once in a generation athlete covered for all the lacking on the sideline.

Almost total disorganization. As seen in unprepared coaches, undisciplined players.

My take from all we've seen and heard is neither Shanahan has any business working in pro football.

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Can we start a thread called "Choose Your 2014 Redskins PR Staff!"? I don't get Tony Wyllie one bit. This guy has been a absolute train wreck ever since he's stepped foot in DC. Now his latest gaff is bullying a local reporter because he made a joke on twitter. REALLY?

[url=http://proplayerinsiders.com/journalist-need-know-washington-redskins-game/]Don't EVER Joke About The Washington Redskins[/url]



Smoot, I know you said this guy was respected, and I know I continue giving you hell whenever he steps in doo doo. There is nothing about this man's work that should be respected by anybody. If Tony's product was anything other than the NFL, he'd be fired by now. No way would some corporation allow their PR guy to continue to make them look bad with so many negative incidents.


So can this asshole be giving walking papers with Shanny and crew?

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