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[quote=skinsfan69;1106386]With all the new coaches that are here, I really hope Snyder stays patient and gives Gruden 3 years. This isn't a playoff team in 2015.[/quote]

I agree with you 100% on this. Blowing up everything after next season would be the worst thing that Snyder could possibly do with this organization. It is past time to establish stability and lay the foundation for long-term success.

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[quote=Mattyk;1106349]First time HC last year, live and learn. Plus with a real GM in place that helps.[/quote]

Matty, you say so much with few words. Surrounding the young HC with good people is the way to achieve stability and success. With a strong organization supporting him, Jay Gruden just needs to be a good leader and decision maker for us to win.

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Why isn't it the same for RGIII or Cousins a good OL around them maybe.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1106421]Why isn't it the same for RGIII or Cousins a good OL around them maybe.[/quote]

Well that hasn't happened. We have a mediocre o-line, terrible special teams, and inconsistent defense. We're the anti-Seahawks.

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i think the seahawks O line (talent wise) is below average. Unger is a premium player but was injured. i dont think he has played all year. Okung you dont hear much about him which its usually a good thing but i dont think he is pro bowl caliber or in TW's level.

will be interesting to see what seattle looks like 2 years from now after RW gets biggest NFL contract ever and thomas, sherman etc. contracts start accelerating.

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[quote=over the mountain;1106426]i think the seahawks O line (talent wise) is below average. Unger is a premium player but was injured. i dont think he has played all year. Okung you dont hear much about him which its usually a good thing but i dont think he is pro bowl caliber or in TW's level.

will be interesting to see what seattle looks like 2 years from now after RW gets biggest NFL contract ever and thomas, sherman etc. contracts start accelerating.[/quote]

Yeah, Im mean we probably have bottom third of the league Oline. Seattle has a fairly average Oline, a top ten RB (maybe top 5), and bottom 5 receiving corp....but Wilson is average (yeah right)

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[quote=over the mountain;1106426]i think the seahawks O line (talent wise) is below average. Unger is a premium player but was injured. i dont think he has played all year. Okung you dont hear much about him which its usually a good thing but i dont think he is pro bowl caliber or in TW's level.

will be interesting to see what seattle looks like 2 years from now after RW gets biggest NFL contract ever and thomas, sherman etc. contracts start accelerating.[/quote]

I'll take Seattle's o-line anytime over our o-line.

[quote=Chico23231;1106427]Yeah, Im mean we probably have bottom third of the league Oline. Seattle has a fairly average Oline, a top ten RB (maybe top 5), and bottom 5 receiving corp....but Wilson is average (yeah right)[/quote]

Wilson is a top 15/top 10 QB statistically speaking. Seattle has surrounded him with good talent and he has taken advantage of that talent to become one of the better QBs in the league.

Seattle is probably one of the most complete teams in the NFL right now. Hence being able to win a playoff game when they turned the ball over 5 times.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1106429]I'll take Seattle's o-line anytime over our o-line.[/quote]

i do covet an elite center - unger, mack pouncey. i think center is so important but still somewhat undervalued in contract terms. most bang for your buck. (that saying had to start in a texas whore house)

but out of both O lines, Trent williams is the only bonafide building block stud. the rest of the guys on both teams are replaceable. for trent alone, i take the skins - keep trent and lich - cut the rest.

maybe the seahawks guards are good and im totally overlooking them. i honestly dont know. our guards do suck. we probably have the worst guard roster of any team. .. . .

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[quote=Chico23231;1106427]Yeah, Im mean we probably have bottom third of the league Oline. Seattle has a fairly average Oline, a top ten RB (maybe top 5), and bottom 5 receiving corp....but Wilson is average (yeah right)[/quote]

im starting to think lynch is top 3 w murray and bell.

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[quote=over the mountain;1106426]i think the seahawks O line (talent wise) is below average. Unger is a premium player but was injured. i dont think he has played all year. Okung you dont hear much about him which its usually a good thing but i dont think he is pro bowl caliber or in TW's level.

will be interesting to see what seattle looks like 2 years from now after RW gets biggest NFL contract ever and thomas, sherman etc. contracts start accelerating.[/quote]

[url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=14936&src=desktop]NFL How they were built: Comparing Redskins' roster to Super Bowl teams - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1106433][url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=14936&src=desktop]NFL How they were built: Comparing Redskins' roster to Super Bowl teams - ESPN[/url][/quote]

dang, thanks for the link. right on point.

i didnt know the seahawks invested high draft picks on the interior line. smart move. seems like you can find stud guards and centers in the late 1st to 3rd round. hope ours come into shape.

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[quote=over the mountain;1106434]dang, thanks for the link. right on point.

i didnt know the seahawks invested high draft picks on the interior line. smart move. seems like you can find stud guards and centers in the late 1st to 3rd round. hope ours come into shape.[/quote]The biggest difference between us and the SB teams in that article, is that they drafted most of their starting OL. We have to bring in FAs, mostly.

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Let's boil down our talent problem to it's essence: We have had incompetent upper management and a star-struck, over-involved owner for most of the last twenty years.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1106439]The biggest difference between us and the SB teams in that article, is that they drafted most of their starting OL. We have to bring in FAs, mostly.[/quote]

The Patriots are starting undrafted free agents on their line.

[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/01/29/how-can-the-redskins-build-a-super-bowl-quality-o-line/]How can the Redskins build a Super Bowl quality O-line? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1106451]The Patriots are starting undrafted free agents on their line.

[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/01/29/how-can-the-redskins-build-a-super-bowl-quality-o-line/]How can the Redskins build a Super Bowl quality O-line? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]Yes, and according to the article, all but one patriot go their first start with the pats. That indicates to me they still picked their own OL, not go through retreads like we did.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1106455]Yes, and according to the article, all but one patriot go their first start with the pats. That indicates to me they still picked their own OL, not go through retreads like we did.[/quote]

Sorry. Missed where you mentioned retreads in your post.

Free agency is ok as long as they are undrafted free agents?

I don't understand you position.

They signed Blount as a free agent midway through the season. Revis is ballin this year. The Pats use free agency rather than get used by free agency. We are the opposite.

Free agency isn't bad, the good teams find value rather than overpay for past performance.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1106456]Sorry. Missed where you mentioned retreads in your post.

Free agency is ok as long as they are undrafted free agents?

I don't understand you position.

They signed Blount as a free agent midway through the season. Revis is ballin this year. The Pats use free agency rather than get used by free agency. We are the opposite.

Free agency isn't bad, the good teams find value rather than overpay for past performance.[/quote]getting udfa rookies, younger and cheaper, is better than the skins approach. we try to draft and sign udfas but our FO and owner suck!

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Watching 2012 highlight packages is depressing... But its the type of passion these coaches need to coax out of the players this year... Hopefully its a quick learning curve for our guys.

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[quote=Chico23231;1106427]Yeah, Im mean we probably have bottom third of the league Oline. Seattle has a fairly average Oline, a top ten RB (maybe top 5), and bottom 5 receiving corp....but Wilson is average (yeah right)[/quote]

Maybe top 5 RB? Seriously? Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, Paul Richardson before he got hurt was not a slouch, and the most elite defense we have seen since the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs.

Russell Wilson is an above average QB on an elite team, and don't downplay the Seahawks O-Line.

Russell Wilson is not an elite QB, he has basically single handedly given the last 2 NFC Championship games away. Luckily for him the 49ers and Packers gave it right back.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1106481]Maybe top 5 RB? Seriously? Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, Paul Richardson before he got hurt was not a slouch, and the most elite defense we have seen since the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs.

Russell Wilson is an above average QB on an elite team, and don't downplay the Seahawks O-Line.

Russell Wilson is not an elite QB, he has basically single handedly given the last 2 NFC Championship games away. Luckily for him the 49ers and Packers gave it right back.[/quote]

Lynch no 4 in rushing yards this year, and no 1 rushing tds. Leading the post season in rushing year this and last year.
Easy arguement for top 5.
Yes their top 3 receivers in the bottom 3rd of league and they don't have a TE either.

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[quote=over the mountain;1106426]i think the seahawks O line (talent wise) is below average. Unger is a premium player but was injured. i dont think he has played all year. [B]Okung you dont hear much about him which its usually a good thing but i dont think he is pro bowl caliber or in TW's level. [/B]

will be interesting to see what seattle looks like 2 years from now after RW gets biggest NFL contract ever and thomas, sherman etc. contracts start accelerating.[/quote]

He went to the Pro Bowl in 2012 and is widely considered a top LT.

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[quote=Chico23231;1106488]Lynch no 4 in rushing yards this year, and no 1 rushing tds. Leading the post season in rushing year this and last year.
Easy arguement for top 5.
Yes their top 3 receivers in the bottom 3rd of league and they don't have a TE either.[/quote]

Lynch is a top 2 RB and I guess Luke Wilson and company are just complete trash.

This is why I don't like the Seahawks, people down play how elite and talented that team is and give ALL the credit to Russell Wilson.

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[quote=Mattyk;1106489]He went to the Pro Bowl in 2012 and is widely considered a top LT.[/quote]

You better stop Matty, it is clearly all Russell Wilson, he is Joe Montana mixed with Tom Brady with a hint of Drew Brees.

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Pretty evident Seattle is a strong team across the board and it's not about one guy.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1106492]Lynch is a top 2 RB and I guess Luke Wilson and company are just complete trash.

This is why I don't like the Seahawks, people down play how elite and talented that team is and give ALL the credit to Russell Wilson.[/quote]

Yeah, but without Wilson they don't win the Super Bowl last year or this year. Pete Carroll deserves alllllot of credit and I find most people hate that dude worse that Wilson.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1106492]Lynch is a top 2 RB and I guess Luke Wilson and company are just complete trash.

This is why I don't like the Seahawks, people down play how elite and talented that team is and give ALL the credit to Russell Wilson.[/quote]

I hate the Seahawks, because it's hard to respect anybody that calls them self the Legion of Boom.

Reminds me of the beer league softball guy that calls himself Hollywood or HandJob or any other nickname.

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not any different than the fun bunch, the hogs or capitol defense...all skins nick names

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[quote=Chico23231;1106497]Yeah, but without Wilson they don't win the Super Bowl last year or this year. Pete Carroll deserves alllllot of credit and I find most people hate that dude worse that Wilson.[/quote]

That isn't true. Russell Wilson almost lost both NFC title games for them last year, and as far as the SB game last year, Joe Webb could have lined up under center and they would have beaten the Broncos the way the defense played

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I think it is more in reference to without Wilson they don't get the number one seed at all or perhaps even make the playoffs.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1106509]I think it is more in reference to without Wilson they don't get the number one seed at all or perhaps even make the playoffs.[/quote]

And I say they still would have made the playoffs without him, I think Wilson is a good QB, a damn good one, but he isn't an elite qb by any stretch

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[quote=Kope;1106503]not any different than the fun bunch, the hogs or capitol defense...all skins nick names[/quote]

Can't argue "Fun Bunch" was ridiculous, plus it was before my time.

The Hogs is a classic. Will L.O.B be around in 30 years?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1106509]I think it is more in reference to without Wilson they don't get the number one seed at all or perhaps even make the playoffs.[/quote]

This what I was referring too. That nfc championship he was bad no doubt. Twice he delivered perfect throws to receiver where it went through their hands and were intercepted.

im actually in awe of the comeback in that game....that comeback in the last 5 minutes of the game will be remembered as one of the greatest. Clutch is the overtime throws by Wilson, simply perfect

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1106502]I hate the Seahawks, because it's hard to respect anybody that calls them self the Legion of Boom.

Reminds me of the beer league softball guy that calls himself Hollywood or HandJob or any other nickname.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure you're aware their whole secondary is referred to as the LoB. If it was one guy I could understand it being weird, but it's a group of guys, and if they can continue being great for the next 5-10 years or so, it would be reasonable to think that nickname will go down with all the other great nicknames in NFL history, i.e. Hogs, Fun Bunch, Steel Curtain, Purple People Eaters, etc.

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[quote=mooby;1106515]I'm pretty sure you're aware their whole secondary is referred to as the LoB. If it was one guy I could understand it being weird, but it's a group of guys, and if they can continue being great for the next 5-10 years or so, it would be reasonable to think that nickname will go down with all the other great nicknames in NFL history, i.e. Hogs, Fun Bunch, Steel Curtain, Purple People Eaters, etc.[/quote]

That is why i do not like the Seahawks. I didn't say it made any sense. Every time i see a commercial with one of them saying "We are the Legion of Boom" i puke a little. Not a lot but a little.

I agree the secondary is really good. Kam Chancellor is a beast.

In today's NFL, with free agency and the salary caps it's hard for me to believe they will be together in 2 - 4 years. They are going to have to pay Willson and Russell Okung. Its going to be hard to pay Sherman, Thomas, and Chancellor 31 million a season and take care of Wilson and Okung.

What do you do with Marshawn Lynch? Do you let him walk or pay him top RB money?

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I dunno, Legion of Boom is a pretty cool nickname IMO. Another SB win and they definitely cement themselves as legendary.

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[quote=Mattyk;1106518]I dunno, Legion of Boom is a pretty cool nickname IMO. Another SB win and they definitely cement themselves as legendary.[/quote]


So , are you saying two super bowl wins makes you a legend ?

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[quote=Giantone;1106519]So , are you saying two super bowl wins makes you a legend ?[/quote]

Back to back does.

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Two super bowl wins will put Wilson in the NFL Hall of Fame.

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If they win this super bowl (and play well), probably will go down as the best secondary ever.

Beat Brees last year and made Jimmy Graham look afraid.

Shut down Manning and the deepest receiving core I have ever seen.

Beat Rodgers and made him look pretty mediocre if not just plain bad.

And now they are playing Brady.

Probably the four best quarterbacks of the past 5 years. It is amazing to me how bad they have made three of those QB's look and now they are given another chance vs. Brady.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1106517]That is why i do not like the Seahawks. I didn't say it made any sense. Every time i see a commercial with one of them saying "We are the Legion of Boom" i puke a little. Not a lot but a little.

I agree the secondary is really good. Kam Chancellor is a beast.

In today's NFL, with free agency and the salary caps it's hard for me to believe they will be together in 2 - 4 years. They are going to have to pay Willson and Russell Okung. Its going to be hard to pay Sherman, Thomas, and Chancellor 31 million a season and take care of Wilson and Okung.

What do you do with Marshawn Lynch? Do you let him walk or pay him top RB money?[/quote]

Lynch will walk, because even for a player as good as him, nobody will bet on him defying age to be the guy who he is now. Wilson will stay, because even if he loses back to back SB's, he still got them to back to back SB's. If they're smart they'll keep the LoB together, all of them are young. Sherman will remain paid, they'll definitely pay Thomas, and Chancellor and Maxwell will get good deals. I didn't think they would be able to replace Browner when he left, but they just kept on truckin'.

And besides the salary cap will most likely keep rising, so if the Seahawks are smart they'll recognize the key guys who deserve to be paid. If the guys in the LoB are smart they'll recognize they have an opportunity to stick together and be recognized as one of the greatest secondaries ever, and if not hopefully they'll be dismantled. I'll finish by saying I'm no fan of the 'Hawks, and I will be rooting for NE tomorrow, but I still have to recognize the team they have assembled. Without that secondary or Marshawn Lynch does anybody think they would be going back to the SB? Lynch held it together against GB until Wilson got his shit together, and that secondary is probably the greatest we've seen in years.