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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1151936]One of them gots to go, Doctson will be fine next year and take one of the starting spots.[/quote]

He may very well be. But in order to give a fair evaluation of his play he has to actually get on the field and stay there. Once he does that then he's going to have to compete and not live off of 1st round draft pick status.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1152468]He may very well be. But in order to give a fair evaluation of his play he has to actually get on the field and stay there. Once he does that then he's going to have to compete and not live off of 1st round draft pick status.[/quote]

Sometimes you can't and have to follow your gut, Djax is not doing it for me. He bitches when he doesn't get the ball, he was bitching at Cousins at one point today despite Cousins trying to make him the featured WR. I thiught Jenkins got the best of Jackson today. Jackson might be fast but isn't physical imposing, like Doctson who will be just fine.

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I actually want to see Doctson on the field before I'm willing to let Jackson walk. And let him not walk back to Philly. That could be a mistake.

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[quote=metalskins;1152477]I actually want to see Doctson on the field before I'm willing to let Jackson walk. And let him not walk back to Philly. That could be a mistake.[/quote]

He would go to LA.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1152474]Sometimes you can't and have to follow your gut, Djax is not doing it for me. [B]He bitches when he doesn't get the ball, he was bitching at Cousins at one point today despite Cousins trying to make him the featured WR.[/B] I thiught Jenkins got the best of Jackson today. Jackson might be fast but isn't physical imposing, like Doctson who will be just fine.[/quote]

Just remember Philly let Jackson go during his athletic prime mostly because of his attitude and there were concerns over his character.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

In the last 4 weeks (our streak) kirk has 8 tds to 3ints and is much better in the RZ.. I'll take those numbers over a four game span. His ints will drop soon too.

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Did you guys hear what Gruden said? Cousins confidence is being affected by the media and the fans?! I PRAY that's not true.

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Yeah, I heard that too. One of the knocks on him over the last couple years has been that, once he throws an INT, he gets too caught up in the mistake. I don't think he's thin skinned or a hot-house flower who needs to be patted on the back to thrive. Rather, I think it's more he's trying so hard to be perfect that he dwells on the bad and doesn't move past it.

Maybe he was pressing to live up to expectations or trying to prove doubters wrong. Whatever the reason, he seemed to get past it yesterday and was much more decisive on his throws. I remember watching one replay where Garcon hadn't even come out of the break and the ball was in the air; PG breaks in and catches it midstride ~20 yards downfield. Good stuff.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1152513]Yeah, I heard that too. One of the knocks on him over the last couple years has been that, once he throws an INT, he gets too caught up in the mistake. I don't think he's thin skinned or a hot-house flower who needs to be patted on the back to thrive. Rather, I think it's more he's [B]trying so hard to be perfect [/B]that he dwells on the bad and doesn't move past it.

Maybe he was pressing to live up to expectations or trying to prove doubters wrong. Whatever the reason, he seemed to get past it yesterday and was much more decisive on his throws. I remember watching one replay where Garcon hadn't even come out of the break and the ball was in the air; PG breaks in and catches it midstride ~20 yards downfield. Good stuff.[/quote]

Tha's the part I worry about too.

And agreed. This is a win you can build on. He made plays when he had to and threw the ball away (except one stupid decision) when nothing was there.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1152500]Just remember Philly let Jackson go during his athletic prime mostly because of his attitude and there were concerns over his character.[/quote]

He was cut by a big asshole named Chip Kelly who thought he could impose his weird ideas on Pro Bowl players in a dictatorial fashion. He cut or traded several Pro Bowl players who wouldn't go along with his stupid program at the same time he cut DJax. Chip assumed that he could win without them. He was wrong and he got fired because of it.

Now, Chip is busy wrecking the 49'ers. He will surely be fired there, too. The "character concerns" you mentioned were a slanderous attempt by Kelly to justify his own stupid actions.

I hope this helps you to better understand what really happened to DJax in Philly.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1152474]Sometimes you can't and have to follow your gut, Djax is not doing it for me. He bitches when he doesn't get the ball, he was bitching at Cousins at one point today despite Cousins trying to make him the featured WR. I thiught Jenkins got the best of Jackson today. Jackson might be fast but isn't physical imposing, like Doctson who will be just fine.[/QUOTE]



Jackson didnt bitch at KC on the sidelines or anything, it was immediately after a play and he just sort of threw his hands up like "wtf i was open"? Good. He cares. He doesn't throw tantrums on the sidelines or sit and mope on the bench. He is a team player.
As far as football goes - ok he dropped one. Doesn't do it often. Plus, he takes the top off the D. It should be a stat.

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[quote=punch it in;1152525]Jackson didnt bitch at KC on the sidelines or anything, it was immediately after a play and he just sort of threw his hands up like "wtf i was open"? Good. He cares. He doesn't throw tantrums on the sidelines or sit and mope on the bench. He is a team player.
As far as football goes - ok he dropped one. Doesn't do it often. Plus, he takes the top off the D. It should be a stat.[/quote]

All I was saying is if I had choice between Garcon and Djax, Garcon would be my choice. Let's not forget Djax in the playoffs and some of his selfish antics.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1152500]Just remember Philly let Jackson go during his athletic prime mostly because of his attitude and there were concerns over his character.[/quote]

Philly let Jackson go because he outshined Chip Kelly, and for no other reason.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1152541]Philly let Jackson go because he outshined Chip Kelly, and for no other reason.[/quote]

The Eagles needed D Jax more yesterday than we did. Someone that can stretch the field and open up coverage.

Garcon and Reed benefit a lot from just DJax presence on the field.

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[quote=Chico23231;1152543]The Eagles needed D Jax more yesterday than we did. Someone that can stretch the field and open up coverage.

Garcon and Reed benefit a lot from just DJax presence on the field.[/quote]

Excellent point -- I completely agree. Let's be honest -- if there were no salary cap ramifications, I don't think anyone would be talking about letting DJax (or Garcon, for that matter) go. They're both playmakers and have proved to be good teammates in DC. DJax has been hampered by Kirk's accuracy issues with the deep ball this season (Kirk should probably have another 5 TDs or so), and as the fly route is DJax's bread and butter, it will obviously affect him more than anyone else.

The Lions can be thrown on (and run on too, for that matter). Let's see what happens this week.

To that end, while celebrating yesterday's win is great, no one should look past the Lions. Their offense is humming, and they beat the Eagles, put up a bunch of points on a good Rams D, and nearly beat the Packers in Lambeau (although that isn't looking like the challenge it once was). Now they also lost to the Bears and Titans, and barely beat a pretty weak Colts team, so they're obviously a pretty flawed team. But no one should look past them because any given Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday)....

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1152541]Philly let Jackson go because he outshined Chip Kelly, and for no other reason.[/QUOTE]


Boom, I think that's it exactly.

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[quote=calia;1152547]Excellent point -- I completely agree. Let's be honest -- if there were no salary cap ramifications, I don't think anyone would be talking about letting DJax (or Garcon, for that matter) go. They're both playmakers and have proved to be good teammates in DC. DJax has been hampered by Kirk's accuracy issues with the deep ball this season (Kirk should probably have another 5 TDs or so), and as the fly route is DJax's bread and butter, it will obviously affect him more than anyone else.

The Lions can be thrown on (and run on too, for that matter). Let's see what happens this week.

To that end, while celebrating yesterday's win is great, no one should look past the Lions. Their offense is humming, and they beat the Eagles, put up a bunch of points on a good Rams D, and nearly beat the Packers in Lambeau (although that isn't looking like the challenge it once was). Now they also lost to the Bears and Titans, and barely beat a pretty weak Colts team, so they're obviously a pretty flawed team. But no one should look past them because any given Sunday (or Monday, or Thursday)....[/quote]

Oh we are no where near looking past anyone. We can beat the Lions but they can definitely beat us too. We need to be focused every game.

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[quote=Chico23231;1152543]The Eagles needed D Jax more yesterday than we did. Someone that can stretch the field and open up coverage.

Garcon and Reed benefit a lot from just DJax presence on the field.[/quote]

Did you guys see how far from the LOS the Eagles deep safety played? He was 30 yards off the line (looking for a screen shot - can't find one). He was never a factor in the run game - may as well have been on Mars.

I guarantee you he wasn't playing that deep b/c he feared Pierre Garcon's or Vernon Davis's deep speed.

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I think it was Doc Walker who said yesterday that Kirk Cousins is on pace to throw at least 16 Interceptions this year. That sounds high but i looked at pro football reference and last season there were 4 passers who had at least 16 interceptions:

Blake Bortles
Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan
Ben Roethlisberger

three of the four QB's i would consider "good", and Blake Bortles the one "bad" QB, led the league with 18 INT's. Not sure if I can really count Manning last season among the "good" QB's, as he was beyond washed up, but he still did enough to win games.

I would be happy to see Kirk finish the season between 10 and 12 INT's, but sort of figuring he will throw at least 15, and sort of afraid that he may have above 20.. BUT - i think he still finishes with 25 - 30 TD passes...

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Kirk will have 28 and 12 or along that line. He won't have 16 I don't think

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Bortles is bad but Keenum is a baller? [emoji848]

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Bortles needs to work on his delivery, it's so dang slow

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3 retired quarterbacks on Monday Morning QB think Kirk is the future at QB for the Redskins.

I agree with the experts.

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[quote=Bucket;1152598]3 retired quarterbacks on Monday Morning QB think Kirk is the future at QB for the Redskins.

I agree with the experts.[/quote]

Who are you gonna trust: three former professional QB's or CASKINS?

I'm with CASKINS. Kirk should be judged on a play-by-play basis. When he makes a bad play, bench him and put in Colt. When Colt makes a mistake, bench him and put in Sudfeld. I admit that the plan becomes a little hazy when Sudfeld makes a mistake but, hey, who wants a starting QB who isn't perfect?

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1152598]3 retired quarterbacks on Monday Morning QB think Kirk is the future at QB for the Redskins.

I agree with the experts.[/QUOTE]
3 reasons y IMO.

A. He's pretty good and knows the system now.

B. He is still learning, brees wasn't very good until a few years as a starter either..

C. Who else we gonna get?? There are no QBs in this draft that say "wow he's the guy"

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1152601]Who are you gonna trust: three former professional QB's or CASKINS?

I'm with CASKINS. Kirk should be judged on a play-by-play basis. When he makes a bad play, bench him and put in Colt. When Colt makes a mistake, bench him and put in Sudfeld.[B] I admit that the plan becomes a little hazy when Sudfeld makes a mistake[/B] but, hey, who wants a starting QB who isn't perfect?[/quote]

Hey Jay may be creeping up on 50, but I bet he can still sling it pretty good ;)

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1152556]Did you guys see how far from the LOS the Eagles deep safety played? He was 30 yards off the line (looking for a screen shot - can't find one). He was never a factor in the run game - may as well have been on Mars.



I guarantee you he wasn't playing that deep b/c he feared Pierre Garcon's or Vernon Davis's deep speed.[/QUOTE]



Thank God someone else realizes the value this guy brings to the table just by sitting at it! Luckily the starting lineup in the NFL is not based on say fantasy points.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1152579]I think it was Doc Walker who said yesterday that Kirk Cousins is on pace to throw at least 16 Interceptions this year. That sounds high but i looked at pro football reference and last season there were 4 passers who had at least 16 interceptions:



Blake Bortles

Peyton Manning

Matt Ryan

Ben Roethlisberger



three of the four QB's i would consider "good", and Blake Bortles the one "bad" QB, led the league with 18 INT's. Not sure if I can really count Manning last season among the "good" QB's, as he was beyond washed up, but he still did enough to win games.



I would be happy to see Kirk finish the season between 10 and 12 INT's, but sort of figuring he will throw at least 15, and sort of afraid that he may have above 20.. BUT - i think he still finishes with 25 - 30 TD passes...[/QUOTE]



Three of those quarterbacks are not good - they are great. One is not bad - he is good. You are a tough crowd man...lol.

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[quote=MTK;1152582]Bortles is bad but Keenum is a baller? [emoji848][/quote]

Id like to put Solid Snake between Bayless and Stephen A.

Now that's a show Id watch. I would want Solid though to remain steadfest in any of his opinions.

Solid much love bro

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[quote=SirLK26;1152604]Hey Jay may be creeping up on 50, but I bet he can still sling it pretty good ;)[/quote]

They could bring Sonny Jurgensen down from the radio booth and suit him up. He's a Hall of Famer!

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1152609]They could bring Sonny Jurgensen down from the radio booth and suit him up. He's a Hall of Famer![/QUOTE]



Honestly listening to him sometimes calling the game is too good to risk it. He is the biggest Skins fan and gets so pissed off when they lose. Lol. If anything Id love to get Sonny on a warpath gameday thread. Hahaha

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Sonny gets on jays nerves so bad lol

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1152612]Sonny gets on jays nerves so bad lol

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Never heard the two of them. Lol. I listen occasionally on sirius when i cant get in front of a game. But I can only imagine. I would seriously love to have him as a guest poster on one gameday thread. He would go full meltdown. Haha.

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What happens if kirk has a slightly above average year (throws say 16 picks and 18 td's.. do you pay him the huge money? or offer average money and risk he will walk. how many of you would sign him today for 20 million a year?

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[quote=rocnrik;1152615]What happens if kirk has a slightly above average year (throws say 16 picks and 18 td's.. do you pay him the huge money? or offer average money and risk he will walk. how many of you would sign him today for 20 million a year?[/quote]

I think that even if he has an average year we are going to overpay. It's the nature of the QB position. We either pay or someone else will. I would lock him long term.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1152615]What happens if kirk has a slightly above average year (throws say 16 picks and 18 td's.. do you pay him the huge money? or offer average money and risk he will walk. how many of you would sign him today for 20 million a year?[/QUOTE]



I would sign him today no doubt. As far as when that time actually comes? Are we winning? What did he do in big spots? There is more to it than just stats. That being said, it is nearly impossible to find a great qb who is going to be there for ten -15 years and go to the hall. It is hard to just find an above average one who can win you games for a few/ several years. Im signing him.

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[quote=rocnrik;1152615]What happens if kirk has a slightly above average year (throws say 16 picks and 18 td's.. do you pay him the huge money? or offer average money and risk he will walk. how many of you would sign him today for 20 million a year?[/quote]

3 years between 18 and 23 per. 2 years optional. In my opinion, he's not elite, but he's likely consistent if we continue to have excellent position players around him.

In the mean time, you draft a quarterback between rounds 2 and 4 in the next 2 years to take the helm should he fail.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown;1152619]3 years between 18 and 23 per. 2 years optional. In my opinion, he's not elite, but he's likely consistent if we continue to have excellent position players around him.



In the mean time, you draft a quarterback between rounds 2 and 4 in the next 2 years to take the helm should he fail.[/QUOTE]



I watched Sudfeld in college a handful of times. Seemed pretty decent because IU didn't exactly have studs all around him. Big kid too.

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[quote=Monksdown;1152619]3 years between 18 and 23 per. 2 years optional. In my opinion, he's not elite, but he's likely consistent if we continue to have excellent position players around him.

In the mean time, you draft a quarterback between rounds 2 and 4 in the next 2 years to take the helm should he fail.[/quote]

Good post. Agree

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Kirk is going to be good as long as he has this system and players around him. He's not a franchise QB but he's always going to be a top 15 QB IMO. Which is good enough to get a good contract.

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