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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163517]Who is the new qb coach? I mustve missed that.

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Kevin O'Connell. Played for the Pat's for a bit.

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Ah. Ok. I imagine the staff will be filled quickly before the senior bowl.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/20/report-gus-bradley-agrees-to-be-chargers-defensive-coordinator/]Report: Gus Bradley agrees to be Chargers’ defensive coordinator | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1163529][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/20/report-gus-bradley-agrees-to-be-chargers-defensive-coordinator/]Report: Gus Bradley agrees to be Chargers’ defensive coordinator | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

That seemed to be a sure thing. I think for us it's down to Pettine, Tarver or Manusky. I liked Andre Carter so I hold his opinion of Tarver in high regard.

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Hey look on the bright side... ANYBODY is better than Joe Barry.

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[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-kevin-oconnell-hired-redskins-qb-coach-possibly-signaling-future-moves?utm_content=bufferf07ef&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Report: Kevin O’Connell hired as Redskins QB coach, possibly signaling future moves | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1163532]Hey look on the bright side... ANYBODY is better than Joe Barry.[/QUOTE]
Not just joe Barry. I was really discouraged by the reports of how bad Fewell did and the arguments between players If our secondary gets better coaching maybe we don't give up every 3rd and 30 to a simple crossing route.

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I was shocked that Perry Fewell didn't do a better job with the DB's. It makes me wonder what's going on with that group.

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Gus Bradley was not going to happen, let's pick one of the Ryan disciples and get going.

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I'm not sure what to think of Manusky, but then I found this article...here's a few excerpts for the lazy (the guy writing this is not a Manusky fan)...

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295186-san-diego-chargers-defense-liberated-from-former-coordinator-greg-manusky]San Diego Chargers' Defense Liberated from Former Coordinator Greg Manusky | Bleacher Report[/url][/U]

"[I]The San Diego Chargers have already embarrassed Greg Manusky by firing him after only one year as defensive coordinator. [B]However, I'd dog pile the man[/B].[/I]

...

[I]In 2010, Manusky was the defensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers. The next season, he was the Chargers' defensive boss. In each team's season with him, their productivity took a huge, unacceptable hit.[/I]

...

[I]Under Manusky, the Chargers could not get off the field on third down. A year after leading the league with opponents only converting 34 percent of their third down attempts, the Chargers put up the worst effort in the last 15 years. They allowed opponents to convert an amazing 49 percent of their attempts.[/I]

...

T[I]he Chargers were barely holding back the flood gates against runners with Rivera somehow holding opponents to just 93.8 yards on the ground per game in 2010. He was doing it with smoke and mirrors, but it got done. Opposing runners ran wild under Manusky's watch, stampeding for 122.2 yards per game in 2011.[/I]"


Cant get off the field on 3rd down...haven't we seen that movie before?

Just hire Pettine already.

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[quote=Bangee7;1163550]I'm not sure what to think of Manusky, but then I found this article...here's a few excerpts for the lazy (the guy writing this is not a Manusky fan)...

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295186-san-diego-chargers-defense-liberated-from-former-coordinator-greg-manusky]San Diego Chargers' Defense Liberated from Former Coordinator Greg Manusky | Bleacher Report[/url][/U]

"[I]The San Diego Chargers have already embarrassed Greg Manusky by firing him after only one year as defensive coordinator. [B]However, I'd dog pile the man[/B].[/I]

...

[I]In 2010, Manusky was the defensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers. The next season, he was the Chargers' defensive boss. In each team's season with him, their productivity took a huge, unacceptable hit.[/I]

...

[I]Under Manusky, the Chargers could not get off the field on third down. A year after leading the league with opponents only converting 34 percent of their third down attempts, the Chargers put up the worst effort in the last 15 years. They allowed opponents to convert an amazing 49 percent of their attempts.[/I]

...

T[I]he Chargers were barely holding back the flood gates against runners with Rivera somehow holding opponents to just 93.8 yards on the ground per game in 2010. He was doing it with smoke and mirrors, but it got done. Opposing runners ran wild under Manusky's watch, stampeding for 122.2 yards per game in 2011.[/I]"


Cant get off the field on 3rd down...haven't we seen that movie before?

Just hire Pettine already.[/quote]

Good summary of why I don't want Manusky. I am holding out for Pettine too but I fear the worst. They would've hired him already if they were sold he would do a good job.

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They need to get there s*&^ together and hire someone already!!!!!!!! Whatever system the new DC sets into place, the draft needs to reflect those needs. The scouts need to know this as they evaluate talent before the draft. Will they need DEs or another NT? I hope they do know something we don't and already have their man in place, and I hope it isn't Manusky. Nobody that was on Barry's staff has any business being a DC.

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I keep thinking there may be a "mystery" candidate whose team is still in the playoffs. If so, we could possibly know who that is by Monday.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1163570]I keep thinking there may be a "mystery" candidate whose team is still in the playoffs. If so, we could possibly know who that is by Monday.[/quote]

Raheem Morris

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Gallery/Greg-Manusky-Raheem-Morris-Washington-Redskins-defensive-coordin-50310470/GallerySlides/459448]Redskins defensive coordinator search sees big changes Gallery Slides[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1163572]Raheem Morris

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Gallery/Greg-Manusky-Raheem-Morris-Washington-Redskins-defensive-coordin-50310470/GallerySlides/459448]Redskins defensive coordinator search sees big changes Gallery Slides[/url][/QUOTE

Nice heads up SFREDSKIN!!! I forgot about him. He was pretty much off the radar. I knew there had to be a method to the madness.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1163577][QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1163572]Raheem Morris

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Gallery/Greg-Manusky-Raheem-Morris-Washington-Redskins-defensive-coordin-50310470/GallerySlides/459448]Redskins defensive coordinator search sees big changes Gallery Slides[/url][/QUOTE

Nice heads up SFREDSKIN!!! I forgot about him. He was pretty much off the radar. I knew there had to be a method to the madness.[/quote]

If they do want him that means we will be waiting until at least February 5th to get our DC. That's a lot more time to get ourselves all worried.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163578][quote=FlyerSkin;1163577]

If they do want him that means we will be waiting until at least February 5th to get our DC. That's a lot more time to get ourselves all worried.[/quote]

Not really worried, just puzzled why they didn't jump on Bradley or Petine. The sooner we hire a guy the more time we have to evaluate our targets' talent.

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Damn, I'll be really pissed if it's Raheem Morris. He doesn't have a great history of success or anything. He was passed over for this position for Joe Barry, and not surprisingly because we had just had 4 crappy years of secondary play under him. Promote Olividatti, who's apparently been impressive enough to keep around for 13 seasons while guys like Morris have been sent packing.

I don't get it really, I have heard good things about Olivadotti for years, But he doesn't seem to be interviewed ever for coordinator positions. Maybe he's just a really good position coach?

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Welp, now we can say they screwed up the search, smh

Redskins to promote Greg Manusky to defensive coordinator, sources tell me and @RapSheet. This will be his fourth stint as a DC.

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Enough with the due diligence.....It should be either Manasky, Pettine, or Thurman....they are treating this like it's a head coaching position in question.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Redskins-hire-new-defensive-coordinator-50725437?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=170122_103715_Washington]Report: Redskins hire new defensive coordinator[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/22/washington-promotes-greg-manusky-to-defensive-coordinator/]Washington promotes Greg Manusky to defensive coordinator | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Redskins-hire-new-defensive-coordinator-50725437?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=170122_103715_Washington%20Redskins%20Newsletter&utm_content=Link]Report: Redskins hire new defensive coordinator[/url]

Looks like Manasky will be the DC.....

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Can't be any worse

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Could it be because we have not given Gruden an extension? Who would want to come in and then next yr Gruden is canned and the new coach cleans house again.

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One word........meh

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I don't want to be the next Solidsnake, aka joining the doom-and-gloom bandwagon. I know we have yet to see how this offseason will play out, and he might be a good coordinator if we get a solid talent upgrade. But if he's the same coach who got bounced at three other stops...

then this will be Gruden's downfall. 0 for 2 in a search for a good defensive coordinator when there were clearly better candidates available. Honestly hope I'm wrong on this, I would love to eat some crow.

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Not sure I can put this on Gruden. There are things going on that are out of his control that are probably keeping other, better candidates from wanting to be here. The ONLY bright spot about this team last season was the offense, and now we have a new OC, and maybe Colt McCoy as the QB since the front office and Danny boy can't seem to decide if Kirk is worth a big contract. Top that off with the lack of talent on the defensive side...it's just not an appealing job. They kept Manusky on in the first place for this very reason. Just imagine if they had fired everybody on the defensive staff. We would truly be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Hopefully Greg can turn this thing around defensively. They'll be middle of the pack at best though if they don't figure out how to get their heads out of their asses with the QB situation though.

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Oh, and when I say I can't put this on Gruden...I should say that if he had hired a more competent D Coordinator two years ago we probably would be playing today rather than hiring Greg Manusky, and wondering who our QB will be next year.

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Talent > coaching

Until we upgrade the talent I don't care who the coach is

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I must be the only one that likes this hire, I love his aggressiveness, intensity, leadership and passion. Haslett and Barry lacked those traits.

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1) I've been on the enthusiastic side of this board all season long, I think I was one of the less mad about our defense people around here, I still think this D is only a few pieces away from being efficient...

But.

Meh is the word.

2) After the Manusky promotion, here are some of the things I need to happen during the offseason to keep my enthusiasm alive:

-KC signed to a long term deal.

-PG back.

-Solid FA signings and draft on the defensive side of the ball.

3) What do you guys think will happen at the OC position? I haven't heard nor read a lot about that... ? Matt Cavanaugh?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1163626]1) I've been on the enthusiastic side of this board all season long, I think I was one of the less mad about our defense people around here, I still think this D is only a few pieces away from being efficient...

But.

Meh is the word.

2) After the Manusky promotion, here are some of the things I need to happen during the offseason to keep my enthusiasm alive:

-KC signed to a long term deal.

-PG back.

-Solid FA signings and draft on the defensive side of the ball.

3) What do you guys think will happen at the OC position? I haven't heard nor read a lot about that... ?[/quote]

Likely Matt Cavanaugh is getting promoted, its why we hired a new QB coach earlier in the week.

[url]http://www.hogshaven.com/2017/1/21/14343692/report-kevin-oconnell-new-redskins-qb-coach-matt-cavanaugh-likely-new-oc[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1163627]Likely Matt Cavanaugh is getting promoted, its why we hired a new QB coach earlier in the week.

[url]http://www.hogshaven.com/2017/1/21/14343692/report-kevin-oconnell-new-redskins-qb-coach-matt-cavanaugh-likely-new-oc[/url][/quote]

Yeah I just read that seconds after posting (edited my post), what do you think about that promotion?

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I have to see his staff addition and what type of philosophy will he use. He reminds me of Joe Barry, a proven good POSITIONAL Coach who will likely fail as a DC.

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I don't see the offensive philosophy changing much with Cavanaugh as the OC. He is going to install Jay's offense and Jay is probably going to be calling the plays or dictating the play calling in some way.

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The thing I like about these in house hirings is the "don't completely swipe the table after our 2 best seasons in ages" philosophy. But I admit this offseason has to be convincing.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1163629]Yeah I just read that seconds after posting (edited my post), what do you think about that promotion?[/quote]

Fine with me, at the end of the day this is still Jay's offense and he will alway be heavily involved with it.

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Still need 3 new coaches on defense, line, OLB, and secondary.

Offensive staff is set, I'm happy we went with Cavanaugh. If we can keep the same offense and improve red zone we'll be in a good place there.

I'm glad we have extra picks because we need a lot of help on defense, but I also think we need to draft RB, a TE who can block, and someone who can play g/c. Still leaves 6 picks for defense.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163653]Still need 3 new coaches on defense, line, OLB, and secondary.

Offensive staff is set, I'm happy we went with Cavanaugh. If we can keep the same offense and improve red zone we'll be in a good place there.

I'm glad we have extra picks because we need a lot of help on defense, but I also think we need to draft RB, a TE who can block, and someone who can play g/c. Still leaves 6 picks for defense.[/quote]

Ron Jeremy will be our new DT coach, I bet that's what his interview was about. Would not be surprised if Tarver also joins. That would be some nice additions to the D staff.

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Kind of anticlimactic. The Redskins took all this time and energy in finding a new defensive coordinator, and wound up promoting from within. Not trying to be negative, but I have a hard time believing Manusky was the best candidate for the job. I still believe this was a hire based on our top choices not wanting to come to Washington.


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