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[quote=skinsfaninok;1160947]It's y he's not an Elite QB. He is a really good QB[/quote]

I think he's an above average qb throughout the course of a whole season and a mediocre qb in big games. Really good qbs don't throw that pass either. Like honestly what the fuck was he thinking on that throw? And it's not a rare thing. He's done it regularly. See: 1st Dallas game.

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[quote=punch it in;1160941]If you are asking me whether or not KC showed up against Carolina and the Giants than you obviously did not watch either game. Lol.
I am not saying there is an easy solution to our qb position rite now. There is not. However I do not want to throw millions of dollars away like he did our season today. Ill tell you that much.
This team is full of holes on the field, and the sidelines. However nobody else is standing to get paid like KC. If it were such an easy decision to pay him they would have done it already. They franchised him for a reason.[/quote]

Last year it wasn't an easy decision, this year it is.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160961]Last year it wasn't an easy decision, this year it is.[/QUOTE]



To franchise him or let him go?

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160945]I'm not sure if anyone on here realizes this, or perhaps no one wants to admit it, but the Giants are a pretty good team. Their offense leaves a lot to be desired, but they have a SB winning QB and some playmakers. Their defense is for real. They are the only team to beat the Cowboys. Pretty sure they are top 5 in points allowed. Skins barely beat them the first go-round. If not for a fake punt and a couple timely INTs, it would have likely been a loss. I'm glad the Giants didn't rest anyone, and played to win. That is the way it should be. The Skins lost the game, and in turn don't deserve to be in the playoffs. I mean if they can't win a 'win and your in' game at home against a team that really has nothing to play for, other than getting the bad taste out of their mouths after losing to Philly, they have no business being in the playoffs. Period.

And the INT by Cousins at the end of the game was a pass that should not have been thrown, but this team didn't miss the playoffs because of Cousins. This team is probably 4-12 without Cousins. All this talk about him going somewhere else is just the crack talking. Straight garbage... No way in hell he goes anywhere, and the team didn't gain any "leverage" (as was stated earlier in the thread) because of this game, the Panthers game or any other game. He will basically write his own check. Hopefully there's enough $ left to make the defense better.[/QUOTE]



Great qbs step up with the game on the line, not throw interceptions. Let's not minimize that interception. The interception that ended the game, also ended the Redskins opportunity to get into the playoffs. I think his mind was more on getting respect and his big contract than actually winning games this season.

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Is he going to get paid like a great qb? ...Yes, but does he deserve it? No

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath;1160964]Great qbs step up with the game on the line, not throw interceptions. Let's not minimize that interception. The interception that ended the game, also ended the Redskins opportunity to get into the playoffs. I think his mind was more on getting respect and his big contract than actually winning games this season.[/QUOTE]



This. You cannot minimize that throw. Any halfway decent quarterback is aware of the situation- field position-down and distance- etc. and throws that shit away or takes a sack.
I will say I do not think that his mind was on getting respect or anything. I just think he panics.
I do not want to pay for panic.

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[quote=punch it in;1160963]To franchise him or let him go?[/quote]

To pay him.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160968]To pay him.[/QUOTE]



So you think they will franchise him? How much does he get for the second tag?

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[quote=warriorzpath;1160964]Great qbs step up with the game on the line, not throw interceptions. Let's not minimize that interception. The interception that ended the game, also ended the Redskins opportunity to get into the playoffs. I think his mind was more on getting respect and his big contract than actually winning games this season.[/quote]

Really, great QBs don't throw interceptions with the game on the line? Is today your first day watching football?

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[quote=punch it in;1160969]So you think they will franchise him? How much does he get for the second tag?[/quote]

I suppose there is an outside chance they use the tag again, but my bet is he gets a contract - a big one.

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[quote=punch it in;1160969]So you think they will franchise him?[/quote]

Letting a top 10 QB walk out of the building with no plan B is not gonna happen.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160970]Really, great QBs don't throw interceptions with the game on the line? Is today your first day watching football?[/QUOTE]



Yes but lets distinguish between being almost in fg range and it is first and ten down by 3 vs you need to air it out to have any chance of winning.
Great ones throw that particular pass away. Hell mediocre ones throw that away.
Truly puzzled by it. Truly troubled as a Skins fan by his performance today.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1160972]Letting a top 10 QB walk out of the building with no plan B is not gonna happen.[/quote]

Bingo. Once you stop and actually think about it, the answer isn't that hard.

Cousins will be back next year folks. Moving on...

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Redskins blow golden chance The Redskins lost four of their last six games including the last two at home to miss the postseason. They controlled their fate multiple times but kept messing it up.

John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer

0:53

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160955]As is said too often, but I'm going to use it:

THIS.

Couldn't agree with you more Sandtrap.[/QUOTE]



I would think twice about taking the side of a Cowboys fan in an argument about the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1160977]Redskins blow golden chance The Redskins lost four of their last six games including the last two at home to miss the postseason. They controlled their fate multiple times but kept messing it up.

John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer

0:53[/QUOTE]
Yep and kirk played well in most of those games.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1160978]I would think twice about taking the side of a Cowboys fan in an argument about the Redskins.[/quote]

I wouldn't. He made more sense with that post than the majority of posts on the 30+ pages of this thread.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160971]I suppose there is an outside chance they use the tag again, but my bet is he gets a contract - a big one.[/QUOTE]



You know up until today I figured it was a no brainer.
His performance today was atrocious. Even a bunch of his completions were bad throws, but our primo wr corp bailed his butt out.
It is really a tough position for Scot. I mean we should know more than anyone how hard it is to find a decent qb. However you throw that kind of money at him and he continues to make bonehead mistakes in big spots well shit - we can just start a 2025 draft thread now. Lol. That shit would set us back a tad.
It is just so strange that he can be soooooo deadly for most of a season and come up sooooo short in a few key spots. Today - first Dallas game - it doesn't even add up really.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1160979]Yep and kirk played well in most of those games.[/QUOTE]



Close but no cigar. One or two plays can win or lose a game. One or two games can be the difference between making it or not making it into the playoffs.

And both (game/playoffs) were lost with Cousins' last interception.

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[quote=punch it in;1160974]Yes but lets distinguish between being almost in fg range and it is first and ten down by 3 vs you need to air it out to have any chance of winning.
Great ones throw that particular pass away. Hell mediocre ones throw that away.
Truly puzzled by it. Truly troubled as a Skins fan by his performance today.[/quote]

Yeah, it wasn't a good decision. If he was going to throw it at all, he should have let it go the first time instead of pumping it and then throwing it. That gave DRC time to get there. However, I'm not completely letting Garcon off the hook either. If he goes to the ball rather than waiting for it come to him, and letting DRC cut in front, at the very least he breaks up the interception, and maybe catches it.

Tough way to end the game for sure.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160981]I wouldn't. He made more sense with that post than the majority of posts on the 30+ pages of this thread.[/QUOTE]



Siding with a Cowboys fan is sacrilegious. I guess that's what happens when we start rooting for the Cowboys for the Redskins' benefit. This is the seventh sign of the apocalypse folks. Get ready! this is the end of days.

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[quote=punch it in;1160982]You know up until today I figured it was a no brainer.
His performance today was atrocious. Even a bunch of his completions were bad throws, but our primo wr corp bailed his butt out.
It is really a tough position for Scot. I mean we should know more than anyone how hard it is to find a decent qb. However you throw that kind of money at him and he continues to make bonehead mistakes in big spots well shit - we can just start a 2025 draft thread now. Lol. That shit would set us back a tad.
It is just so strange that he can be soooooo deadly for most of a season and come up sooooo short in a few key spots. Today - first Dallas game - it doesn't even add up really.[/quote]

Weirdly enough, Cousins strikes me as someone who might try TOO hard when facing adversity (contract). It was like he kind of settled down once our backs weren't against the wall. Not saying that's a great quality in a QB, but I wonder if paying him would settle him down some. He seems like a genuinely likable guy who works his ass off. I just worry he's trying to do too much. I imagine if we had any semblance of a running game he'd be amazing.

That reminds me, is our offensive line good or adequate? I see a lot of rankings that puts them in the top ten in the league. Just is shocking considering how shitty our run game is. Scheme or talent?

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[quote=punch it in;1160967]This. You cannot minimize that throw. Any halfway decent quarterback is aware of the situation- field position-down and distance- etc. and throws that shit away or takes a sack.
I will say I do not think that his mind was on getting respect or anything. I just think he panics.
I do not want to pay for panic.[/quote]

What pisses me off is that he had Jordan Reed open on the drag and that is where he looked first.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1160976]Bingo. Once you stop and actually think about it, the answer isn't that hard.



Cousins will be back next year folks. Moving on...[/QUOTE]



I am more thinking of the future. You are right he will probably be back next year. Tag or huge contract though?
If its a tag than we are just buying time. Lets say he throws for 5k again but than throws the season away? Than what?

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[quote=punch it in;1160982]You know up until today I figured it was a no brainer.
His performance today was atrocious. Even a bunch of his completions were bad throws, but our primo wr corp bailed his butt out.
It is really a tough position for Scot. I mean we should know more than anyone how hard it is to find a decent qb. However you throw that kind of money at him and he continues to make bonehead mistakes in big spots well shit - we can just start a 2025 draft thread now. Lol. That shit would set us back a tad.
It is just so strange that he can be soooooo deadly for most of a season and come up sooooo short in a few key spots. Today - first Dallas game - it doesn't even add up really.[/quote]

I still think it's a no brainer. He made his share of mistakes, but he has shown enough.

I think if they can improve the defense and get the running game going, he won't feel like he has to do so much and those bonehead mistakes in big spots will go away.

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath;1160985]Siding with a Cowboys fan is sacrilegious. I guess that's what happens when we start rooting for the Cowboys for the Redskins' benefit. This is the seventh sign of the apocalypse folks. Get ready! this is the end of days.[/QUOTE]



Sandtrap is ok.....for a Cowpuke fan. [emoji106]

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1160993]I still think it's a no brainer. He made his share of mistakes, but he has shown enough.

I think if they can improve the defense and get the running game going, he won't feel like he has to do so much and those bonehead mistakes in big spots will go away.[/QUOTE]



Yeah this sounds pretty much like me up until today. Lol.
He had a defense today to be fair though. When that int happened the run games ineffectiveness was really not even important anymore. We were five yards from fg range and it was first and ten. Plenty of time. Two timeouts. It takes inexcusable to a whole other level. I cant shake it man. Lol.
Like someone else said, we are probably 4-12 without KC. I have said that myself -recently.
He can be an absolute assassin. He can also be an absolute ass.
Oh well. I guess ill start planning my draft day party. [emoji106][emoji458][emoji41]

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1160991]What pisses me off is that he had Jordan Reed open on the drag and that is where he looked first.[/QUOTE]



I wish you hadnt even told me that. I turned off the tv pretty quickly so I did not notice.
All he had to do was throw the damn ball away or take a sack though. That one is going to stick in the memory banks for a while. Y

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[quote=skinslose;1160925]Actually the redskins losing killed her asshole. 45 years old acting like a 14 year old whose parents are not home using the internet.[/quote]

Unfortunate, about your mom, but I'll add this.... A loser also goes to another team's fan site to talk trash and troll. That's teenager-like and immature behavior. GTFOH, as a couple of other posters have mentioned.

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[quote=punch it in;1161003]I wish you hadnt even told me that. I turned off the tv pretty quickly so I did not notice.
All he had to do was throw the damn ball away or take a sack though. That one is going to stick in the memory banks for a while. Y[/quote]

Actually, I saw a big gap open up, and I said to myself, "Run the ball, Kirk." He would've easily gotten a first down, if he had taken off and ran.

Quite frankly, I started to get a bad vibe about this game once we went down 10-0. Once, we made the comeback to tie it, then I felt "we might have a chance to pull it out." Then, we get the ball back with a chance to seize the game, and go 3 and out. Doubts crept right back into my head.

The G-men, who was basically lying down for us on the offensive end in the 2nd half, decides to chunk a bomb and suddenly in FG range. I kept telling myself, I don't want to go into OT. Get a TD, and win this thing. But, there was something telling me, we would end up having to kick a FG or Cousins would throw a pick. Seriously. Those were my thoughts. Unfortunately, the latter happened, and the rest is history.

By the way, Will Blackmon throwing a bit of "shade," per se'.

[I]Rajan Nanavati
‏@RajanNanavati
Will Blackmon being interviewed on CSN, pretty damning. Insinuated some teammates playing nervous, focused on media, or partying too much.

@BurgundyBlog @JPFinlayCSN: WB def mentioned players enjoying off-field perks. Mason Foster & WB both said guys played too tight/nervous.[/I]

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/video/will-blackmon-redskins-need-more-leaders-experience-winning]Will Blackmon: Redskins need more leaders with experience winning | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1161024]Actually, I saw a big gap open up, and I said to myself, "Run the ball, Kirk." He would've easily gotten a first down, if he had taken off and ran.



Quite frankly, I started to get a bad vibe about this game once we went down 10-0. Once, we made the comeback to tie it, then I felt "we might have a chance to pull it out." Then, we get the ball back with a chance to seize the game, and go 3 and out. Doubts crept right back into my head.



The G-men, who was basically lying down for us on the offensive end in the 2nd half, decides to chunk a bomb and suddenly in FG range. I kept telling myself, I don't want to go into OT. Get a TD, and win this thing. But, there was something telling me, we would end up having to kick a FG or Cousins would throw a pick. Seriously. Those were my thoughts. Unfortunately, the latter happened, and the rest is history.[/QUOTE]



Yeah the Giants have not been clicking on offense at all this year, but the went full conservative in the second half. OBJ was out of the game.
Than that long ass bomb. Greg Toler? Why is he in the game there?

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[quote=punch it in;1161026]Yeah the Giants have not been clicking on offense at all this year, but the went full conservative in the second half. OBJ was out of the game.
Than that long ass bomb. Greg Toler? Why is he in the game there?[/quote]

Yeah, that was bum ass Toler. I believe that kid was the 5th receiver on the Giants' roster.

Another note: Most of these FA acquisitions will be cut this offseason. They sucked arse for the most part.

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What a moron Ben McAdoo is. I'm embarrassed we lost to this clown

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Fuller will hopefully be a good player for us. Breeland is avg at best. Our secondary was still one of the worst in the NFL with Josh. He can't do it all.

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Folks, I just want to bring up a play that stung just as much as the Cousins INT at the end of the game. I want to highlight the one guy I wanted in free agency more than anybody last year. Defensive Tackle Snacks Harrison.

The play that killed us was on the last 3 and out with about 6 minutes to go in the game Snacks was able to get out on Chris Thompson after successfully reading the oline and actually come out for a pass defense knocking the ball away on a screen from CT. Thompson had space and blockers in front that certainly would have picked up a first down keeping the drive alive.

When I talk about impact players on the D-Line, this is what I mean. Intelligent play and athleticism. Snacks contract wasn't that crazy and we needed D-Line help in the worst way. This year we need to be smarter in free agency and the draft.

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Holding by Harrison on that play too, he clearly grabbed his jersey and didn't let go.

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[quote=MTK;1161385]Holding by Harrison on that play too, he clearly grabbed his jersey and didn't let go.[/quote]

We call that "technique" :joecool:

Fact is, he made a huge play.

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No doubt it was a big play, big non call too.

What was up with the clear facemask on Norman when he almost made that pick? Ref was right there and didn't call it.

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[quote=MTK;1161387]No doubt it was a big play, big non call too.

What was up with the clear facemask on Norman when he almost made that pick? Ref was right there and didn't call it.[/quote]

At minimum it should have been hands to the face, at worst it should have been a facemask penalty. No idea how it was neither.