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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1183905]Kirk should agree to give the Redskins a 10% discount if they fire Bruce Allen, get a deep threat wide receiver, and Snyder issues a public apology for the whole RG3 fiasco.[/quote]

Snyder has to go, or the rest doesn't matter. He'll just replace Allen with someone crappy like Cerrato, or undermine anyone good he gets like McCloughan or Shanahan.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35166/kirk-cousins-on-the-future-i-want-to-be-associated-with-winning]Kirk Cousins' comments provide insight into what matters for future - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1184113][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35166/kirk-cousins-on-the-future-i-want-to-be-associated-with-winning]Kirk Cousins' comments provide insight into what matters for future - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

I think Elway will come after him hard if he isn't signed right away or tagged.

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[I]Speaking of Cousins, "A lot of teams would literally kill to have a quarterback like that," Denver linebacker Von Miller said. "The list is long."[/I]

Let's hope the Skins FO plays it smart with Cousins this time around and gets a LTD done.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1184124][I]Speaking of Cousins, "A lot of teams would literally kill to have a quarterback like that," Denver linebacker Von Miller said. "The list is long."[/I]

Let's hope the Skins FO plays it smart with Cousins this time around and gets a LTD done.[/quote]

If I didn't know any better I'd swear Von Miller was cluing us in there. Broncos are another team who are one decent qb away from contending again.

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[quote=mooby;1184129]If I didn't know any better I'd swear Von Miller was cluing us in there. Broncos are another team who are one decent qb away from contending again.[/quote]

Him and Talib have both said they would love kirk

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184130]Him and Talib have both said they would love kirk[/quote]

Along with every other team that doesn't have a qb too I'm sure. But nah, Kirk isn't the best qb in the league so he doesn't deserve best qb money.

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[quote=mooby;1184133]Along with every other team that doesn't have a qb too I'm sure. But nah, Kirk isn't the best qb in the league so he doesn't deserve best qb money.[/quote]

20 million per year - sign him immediately
25 million per year - sign him immediately
27.5 million per year - eeeeeekkkkk, could use that extra money to bring in more talent, but still should probably sign him
30 million per year - damn, is he really worth that much? But do we want to start over?

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Of course Denver players are drooling over Kirk, they could have made noise this year with any halfway decent starter.

It still amazes me Elway thought they were set with that mess of a QB situation.

Wasted year with their talent on D.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184136]20 million per year - sign him immediately
25 million per year - sign him immediately
27.5 million per year - eeeeeekkkkk, could use that extra money to bring in more talent, but still should probably sign him
30 million per year - damn, is he really worth that much? But do we want to start over?[/quote]

we wont have a choice, we'd have to draft a rookie and sign a vet to compete with.

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[quote=MTK;1184137]Of course Denver players are drooling over Kirk, they could have made noise this year with any halfway decent starter.

It still amazes me Elway thought they were set with that mess of a QB situation.

Wasted year with their talent on D.[/quote]

So was it Elway or Manning that really won that ring? I know both did but everyone was saying John is a genius GM... Doesn't look that way right now. Since Peyton they have been bad

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184136]20 million per year - sign him immediately
25 million per year - sign him immediately
27.5 million per year - eeeeeekkkkk, could use that extra money to bring in more talent, but still should probably sign him
30 million per year - damn, is he really worth that much? But do we want to start over?[/quote]

The best part of this scale is that we could have had him at 20 mil 2 years ago, and 20 mil would be right around middle of the road as far as qb salaries go today. Way to go Bruce!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184141]So was it Elway or Manning that really won that ring? I know both did but everyone was saying John is a genius GM... Doesn't look that way right now. Since Peyton they have been bad[/quote]

Even Manning with half an arm still drew respect from defenses. He looked like a genius back then, now it looks like the SB win enlarged his ego so much he thought he could win with trash at qb.

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Bottom line is the Redskins will have to match Matthew Staffords contract or pay Cousins more. If you look at their stats for 2017, they are almost identical.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1184146]Bottom line is the Redskins will have to match Matthew Staffords contract or pay Cousins more. If you look at their stats for 2017, they are almost identical.[/quote]

And detroit has built a good roster around him so it is possible..

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If they pay kirk that kind of money we won't have money for free agency. If he isn't willing to take a salary cap friendly deal so they can fix other positions as well, then were going to have a high priced QB and be in the same position next year. I hope we draft a big time three down back who can take it the distance anytime he touches it. With a great RB this will help the defense as well. Tired of watching these guys run for a yard or two each carry.

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[quote=Randall Nestor;1184154]If they pay kirk that kind of money we won't have money for free agency. If he isn't willing to take a salary cap friendly deal so they can fix other positions as well, then were going to have a high priced QB and be in the same position next year. I hope we draft a big time three down back who can take it the distance anytime he touches it. With a great RB this will help the defense as well. Tired of watching these guys run for a yard or two each carry.[/quote]

problem is , if you pay Kirk 27 M (which is what he will prob get anywhere) then u are already strapped like Indy is, Det is etc.. Detroit has a good team but do they have another star player besides Stafford? No because they cant afford it... BUT if you let Kirk walk who do u replace him with? That has been the issue all along IMO. It's going to be all up to Bruce and Dan and until I see it I won't believe they WANT Kirk Cousins.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184155]problem is , if you pay Kirk 27 M (which is what he will prob get anywhere) then u are already strapped like Indy is, Det is etc.. Detroit has a good team but do they have another star player besides Stafford? No because they cant afford it... BUT if you let Kirk walk who do u replace him with? That has been the issue all along IMO. It's going to be all up to Bruce and Dan and until I see it I won't believe they WANT Kirk Cousins.[/quote]

Can Kirk carry a team.ie Mr. Wilson with the Seahawks They have no running game , bad offensive line and average receivers. Defense with injuries. Seahawks will make the playoff. The QB carried the team. Same issues as the Redskins , no running game , average receivers. Offensive line issues Defensive injuries. Redskins are going nowhere.

No , he can’t .Kirk is an average system QB, not worth 27million. Give me a new coaching staff who can make in game adjustments, hold players accountable, and a staff that can develop players and an accurate passer (Alex Smith )next year.

Mike Zimmer started at Minn. same year Gruden started. Need I say more Sean McVay need I say more.

New coach next year - Steve Wilks

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until the salary cap starts trending lower, 27M to 30M this year isn't going to kill our cap. I am fairly convinced that the Skins have been biding time on some contracts simply to be able to be competitive in negotiations if and when KC ever starts negotiating with them

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[QUOTE=Randall Nestor;1184154]If they pay kirk that kind of money we won't have money for free agency.[/QUOTE]


False

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We haven't even discussed Eric Schaffer's wizard-like ability to move money around to create space. Norman could probably use a readjustment for starters. We definitely have room to maneuver and fit Kirk's deal under the cap. People are forgetting his salary cap hit is 24 million for this year.

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Reed and Norman have to restructure or one hit the road. Lauvao, Long, Hood, Hall and others will be gone too giving us additional space. Kirk can be fitted.

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Kirk haters make me laugh

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[quote=success52;1184157]Can Kirk carry a team.ie Mr. Wilson with the Seahawks They have no running game , bad offensive line and average receivers. Defense with injuries. Seahawks will make the playoff. The QB carried the team. Same issues as the Redskins , no running game , average receivers. Offensive line issues Defensive injuries. Redskins are going nowhere.

No , he can’t .Kirk is an average system QB, not worth 27million. Give me a new coaching staff who can make in game adjustments, hold players accountable, and a staff that can develop players and an accurate passer (Alex Smith )next year.

Mike Zimmer started at Minn. same year Gruden started. Need I say more Sean McVay need I say more.

New coach next year - Steve Wilks[/quote]

So, Who is your QB next year?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184178]So, Who is your QB next year?[/quote]

Alex Smith for around 18-20 million year ( 4yr deal)
He is a free agent.

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Please I hope they sign Cousins to long term deal.

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Smith isn’t a free agent until 2019

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[quote=MTK;1184182]Smith isn’t a free agent until 2019[/quote]

Thinking Chiefs are moving in another direction next year (Patrick Mahomes) making Smith available via trade.

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[quote=success52;1184183]Thinking Chiefs are moving in another direction next year (Patrick Mahomes) making Smith available via trade.[/quote]

Sweet, let's give up some draft picks to finally fill that gaping hole at qb we've had for years.

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Alex smith? Meh.

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[quote=success52;1184183]Thinking Chiefs are moving in another direction next year (Patrick Mahomes) making Smith available via trade.[/quote]

So our 2018 QB is under contract with another team. I couldn't see the Chief's trying to leverage that situation at all.

Great plan.

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Really hate how they have done Kirk. As really they keep on hanging and guessing. If he does not get a long term deal. Really it will be the Skins and fans loss.

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[quote=JPPT1974;1184187]Really hate how they have done Kirk. As really they keep on hanging and guessing. If he does not get a long term deal. Really it will be the Skins and fans loss.[/quote]

Maybe he pulls a Brad Johnson on us, goes to Denver, wins a SB with them. It'd really cap off this incredible story arc of how to fuck up having a franchise qb.

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[quote=JPPT1974;1184187]Really hate how they have done Kirk. As really they keep on hanging and guessing. If he does not get a long term deal. Really it will be the Skins and fans loss.[/quote]

How many playoff games did Kirk win?
Kirk is not the answer. Why pay 27 million to a QB who can’t lead his team to victory in the big games? ie Giants last year ie playoff against Green Bay. 4000 yards season. Red Zone efficiency terrible. What wrong with that picture? He is a dink and donk QB . No long ball accuracy. Compare Kirk to Russell Wilson. Compare Kirk to Drew in NO. Compare Kirk to Tom Brady. Compare to Carson Wentz. These are game changing QB’s That is who you pay 27 million.

One last thing.Drew team scored 2 touchdown s in 3 mins. and beat the Redskins. Kirk had the same opportunity. Need I say more.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1184186]So our 2018 QB is under contract with another team. I couldn't see the Chief's trying to leverage that situation at all.

Great plan.[/quote]

I know , thanks
Keep betting on Kirk. You will continue to watch other teams in January

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This is exhausting.

When is the deadline again?

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It’s just funny to hear someone call Cousins a dink and dunk QB while at the same time lobbying for Alex Smith. By the way neither are dink and dunk, both are in the top 6 in yards per attempt.

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I'm ok with kirk on a reasonable deal if not try to have a trade with another team before you you give him a huge deal.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1184192]It’s just funny to hear someone call Cousins a dink and dunk QB while at the same time lobbying for Alex Smith. By the way neither are dink and dunk, both are in the top 6 in yards per attempt.[/QUOTE]



It is both funny and completely inaccurate. Jesus effin Christ.

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Kirk is far from that, he's always in the top 10 in passing down field in fact he was 1st last yr.