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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215195]Bruce is team president. An organizational shake up already happened and he could have moved Bruce at any point after the Giants game and he hasn't. In terms of Snyder not moving football people in season that referred to coaches as far as i understood it. I have never heard DS say firing VC in season was a mistake.[/QUOTE]



Exactly! There’s been NOTHING stopping Snyder from firing or reassigning Bruce Allen. I can see why you’d wait for Gruden until the end of the season, but that doesn’t affect Bruce Allen. If Allen was going to be fired or reassigned it would have been done already, allowing a new front office to start immediately after the season ended building a new staff and coaching staff.

Bruce Allen’s worthless piece of shit isn’t going anywhere


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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215195]Bruce is team president. An organizational shake up already happened and he could have moved Bruce at any point after the Giants game and he hasn't. In terms of Snyder not moving football people in season that referred to coaches as far as i understood it. I have never heard DS say firing VC in season was a mistake.[/QUOTE]


Changes to non-football operations can be made any time because it doesn’t affect the team.

Still, Snyder was waiting until the offseason to fire lefamina, but Lafemina was about to fire a ton of long-time lower level redskins employees who Snyder liked. Lafeminas firing was a “preemptive strike” to keep that from happening.

Snyder has been very unhappy with the way Bruce has handled things for sometime. He’ll be moved to another position or let go after the seasons over.


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Per ABC 7 news

So many #Eagles fans that the #Resskins were boo’d louder than they were cheered for when they came out of the tunnel.


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1215208]Per ABC 7 news

So many #Eagles fans that the #Resskins were boo’d louder than they were cheered for when they came out of the tunnel.


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The Redskins deserve it but only cuz Snyder is an idiot. Like he’s going to sit there and act surprised about this? He doesn’t look down at the sea of opponents colors when we play at home? He’s either a complete moron or just playing dumb to save face.


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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1215209]The Redskins deserve it but only cuz Snyder is an idiot. Like he’s going to sit there and act surprised about this? He doesn’t look down at the sea of opponents colors when we play at home? He’s either a complete moron or just playing dumb to save face.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I hope he cries a little. He isn't as oblivious as he lets on, just arrogant.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1215181]Fair enough purge was a harsh word, but if you let the COO go because you plan on moving the team President into an equivalent position, you make simultaneous announcements - that would have been the easiest way to handle moving BA out of football operations - but DS didn't so I doubt there is a reason to expect a change in the off season.[/quote]

I see your point but I'm not sure there's that much to read into that... and I want to have hope change is coming :D

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Fuck cleaning this house. Demo this fucking house. Demo it and haul it away. I literally would not give two fucks if they moved the team to Alaska. I would actually welcome it at this point. Put me out of my misery and pull the plug.

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I really wouldn’t mind cleaning house and starting over. Keeping the pieces that are untouchables - TW, AP, Kerrigan, Scherff, Allen and Payne and then really just starting over again. Every year people say “we’re close” but in reality, I think we’re pretty damn far.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215201]Changes to non-football operations can be made any time because it doesn’t affect the team.

Still, Snyder was waiting until the offseason to fire lefamina, but Lafemina was about to fire a ton of long-time lower level redskins employees who Snyder liked. Lafeminas firing was a “preemptive strike” to keep that from happening.

Snyder has been very unhappy with the way Bruce has handled things for sometime. He’ll be moved to another position or let go after the seasons over.


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We will see in the next few days. How much time do you give before it's clear he's staying. New Year's Day? the 2nd? How does it help the team structure to wait to change your front office if you know you are going to.

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Just watched Jay's post game press podium speech... He was giving excuse after excuse on top of excuses with a little extra excuses on the side.

What makes me anxious is that for a guy that usually looks nervous on the podium he seemed quite relaxed, he was talking about next season and how he feels the personnel can compete if healthy... Didn't detect a lot of doubt about his job security...

Best is to wait and see but I hope we'll learn something soon. Very. Soon. Like in 10 seconds would be my perfect timing.

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The performance today, jay should be fired. No excuses

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1215470]We will see in the next few days. How much time do you give before it's clear he's staying. New Year's Day? the 2nd? How does it help the team structure to wait to change your front office if you know you are going to.[/QUOTE]



I think it’ll happen within 24 hours


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What draft pick do they have? There are 4 teams that are 7-9.... is there a formula to break the ties?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1215478]What draft pick do they have? There are 3 teams that are 7-9.... is there a formula to break the ties?[/quote]

Folks on Twitter are saying #15.

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The team meets at 10am tomorrow morning to make decisions

Jay said that to one of the reporters after the game

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Although I don't know who Diane Chesebrough is.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1215482]Although I don't know who Diane Chesebrough is.

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She's from the Redskins Wire at USA Today.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/30/jets-fire-todd-bowles/[/url]

[quote=]The early buzz is that Bowles, who finishes with a record of 24-40, could resurface in Washington, as the defensive coordinator. He had been a successful defensive coach before joining the Jets.[/quote]

This would be nice.

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Move Bruce to business ops, fire Manusky and bring in Todd Bowlens, possibly promote Kyle Smith to GM? It's a start.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1215490]Move Bruce to business ops, fire Manusky and bring in Todd Bowlens, possibly promote Kyle Smith to GM? It's a start.[/QUOTE]



That is my dream scenario.


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[QUOTE=mooby;1215490]Move Bruce to business ops, fire Manusky and bring in Todd Bowlens, possibly promote Kyle Smith to GM? It's a start.[/QUOTE]



I agree with this all this, but I’ll add, move Eric Shaffer to President.


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[QUOTE=mooby;1215490]Move Bruce to business ops, fire Manusky and bring in Todd Bowlens, possibly promote Kyle Smith to GM? It's a start.[/QUOTE]Sounds good to me!

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1215496]I agree with this all this, but I’ll add, move Eric Shaffer to President.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]This is the best post you've made.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1215499]This is the best post you've made.

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That’s not saying much. Ha!


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Give credit where credit is due. Walking away from kc was the correct choice. He looks awful as a Viking.

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Jake Russell
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The #Redskins have missed the playoffs in 21 of the last 26 seasons.

They've missed the playoffs in 15 of 20 seasons under Dan Snyder's ownership.

They've missed the postseason in 7 of 9 full seasons of Bruce Allen's tenure.


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1215502]Jake Russell
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The #Redskins have missed the playoffs in 21 of the last 26 seasons.

They've missed the playoffs in 15 of 20 seasons under Dan Snyder's ownership.

They've missed the postseason in 7 of 9 full seasons of Bruce Allen's tenure.


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Consistency

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[quote=mredskins;1215501]Give credit where credit is due. Walking away from kc was the correct choice. He looks awful as a Viking.[/quote]

walking away at what the Vikings paid is fine, but it should not have come to that so no credit for anything.

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Definitely no credit for Allen regarding Cousins, not when he should have traded him once the 2nd tag went down


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[quote=mredskins;1215501]Give credit where credit is due. Walking away from kc was the correct choice. He looks awful as a Viking.[/quote]

They have a pretty loaded team and to not make the playoffs is ridiculous. If the Vikes don't turn it around next season, they are pretty screwed with Cousin's contract. Because they cannot cut tides, nor can they trade him.

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[quote=MTK;1215505]Definitely no credit for Allen regarding Cousins, not when he should have traded him once the 2nd tag went down


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Biggest mistake of this team was to not get rid of him when there was a market for a trade.

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Yea to get nothing for Cousins then factor in what we had to give up in the Alex deal plus the 4th Rd for Ha Ha .. dang I get depressed thinking about all the drama that goes on here..the way they handled Scott whew... hard to make excuses for this owner! It’s all on him every single thing is on him !! Empty stadium shows fans are sick and if nothing is done to bring in some new highly respected football people here I would say we are doomed to become the worst in league.. my only positive is how the hell did this team win 7 games??

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[quote=rocnrik;1215508]Yea to get nothing for Cousins then factor in what we had to give up in the Alex deal plus the 4th Rd for Ha Ha .. dang I get depressed thinking about all the drama that goes on here..the way they handled Scott whew... hard to make excuses for this owner! It’s all on him every single thing is on him !! Empty stadium shows fans are sick and if nothing is done to bring in some new highly respected football people here I would say we are doomed to become the worst in league.. [B]my only positive is how the hell did this team win 7 games??[/B][/quote]

A somewhat healthy team with Alex Smith won 6 out of those 7 games.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1215508]Yea to get nothing for Cousins then factor in what we had to give up in the Alex deal plus the 4th Rd for Ha Ha .. dang I get depressed thinking about all the drama that goes on here..the way they handled Scott whew... hard to make excuses for this owner! It’s all on him every single thing is on him !! Empty stadium shows fans are sick and if nothing is done to bring in some new highly respected football people here I would say we are doomed to become the worst in league.. my only positive is how the hell did this team win 7 games??[/QUOTE]



Snyder had nothing to do with the Scot situation. That was all Jay and the Prince of Darkness.

The trade for HaHa was good at the time - we looked to be a contender. There’s really not much difference in picks rounds 4-7, so it won’t hurt us that badly.

Also, the team won 6 of those 7 games because Alex smith played unimpressive but mistake free football.



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Yep .. I guess the injuries will be the reason they keep jay..maybe you are right but it’s hard for me to believe that Snyder doesn’t control all the moves..

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[quote=rocnrik;1215511]Yep .. I guess the injuries will be the reason they keep jay..maybe you are right but it’s hard for me to believe that Snyder doesn’t control all the moves..[/quote]

I'd be okay with keeping Jay ONLY if Bruce is gone completely from the team. Although, two of my biggest issues with Jay is letting loyalty to players get in a the way of meritocracy and/or common sense (Luvao, Mo Harris, Marshall) and his selection of the last two Def Coordinators. Although with the latter, I'd be willing to give him a chance sans Bruce.

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1215510]Snyder had nothing to do with the Scot situation. [B]That was all Jay and the Prince of Darkness.[/B]

The trade for HaHa was good at the time - we looked to be a contender. There’s really not much difference in picks rounds 4-7, so it won’t hurt us that badly.

Also, the team won 6 of those 7 games because Alex smith played unimpressive but mistake free football.



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I know nothing backs me up on this, but I'm still convinced that part of Scot's outing had to do with Jay.

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[quote=rocnrik;1215511]Yep .. I guess the injuries will be the reason they keep jay..maybe you are right but it’s hard for me to believe that Snyder doesn’t control all the moves..[/quote]

There has to be a reason two years in a row they had 24+ players injured....conditioning, training, practice....per B Mitch it is not just bad luck

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[quote=Irrefutable;1215514]There has to be a reason two years in a row they had 24+ players injured....conditioning, training, practice....per B Mitch it is not just bad luck[/quote]

I keep hearing about how Callahan's practices with the o-line are too intense. But no one has made anything out of it.

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Gruden is delusional. He said that " we can play with anyone when healthy." WTF is he talking about? You got blown out by the Saints, you got blown out by an average Falcons team and were not competitive against the Colts. You had your starting QB in those games and your defense intact.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1215512]I'd be okay with keeping Jay ONLY if Bruce is gone completely from the team. Although, two of my biggest issues with Jay is letting loyalty to players get in a the way of meritocracy and/or common sense (Luvao, Mo Harris, Marshall) and his selection of the last two Def Coordinators. Although with the latter, I'd be willing to give him a chance sans Bruce.







I know nothing backs me up on this, but I'm still convinced that part of Scot's outing had to do with Jay.[/QUOTE]


It was mostly jay. They didn’t get along and jay wanted more power over player personnel. Scots regularly being drunk on the job was a nice excuse.


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