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FYI

Penn said he spoke to Trent before he signed.

And Penn said he wanted to go to a team where he would start.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1225945]I really don't see it that way. The Redskins hold his rights and can still just sit back and do nothing. When he starts missing hefty game checks then I'll believe it's a fractured relationship. Until then everything is just a bunch of rumors.

As for the Pats, I hope we don't trade with them. We already know who'll get the short end of the stick. Bruce Allen should never ever ever be in charge of any trades, ever.[/quote]

If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.

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[quote=MTK;1225974]If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.[/quote]

Agreed... if they know he really doesn't want to be here and it's not only about the money. But I do hope they know more than we do, so if money can bring him back, add on a few bucks and keep your best player !

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[quote=MTK;1225974]If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.[/quote]

Problem is, what are the skins getting in return? They won't just dump him for a 3rd rd pick.

I would call Minnesota who needs a LT bad and say Diggs for Trent straight up.

Or I would call Cleveland who also needs LT and say Trent for Landry straight up.

If you aren't getting a pro bowl type player in return, keep him.. Eventually he will show up

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1225977]Problem is, what are the skins getting in return? They won't just dump him for a 3rd rd pick.



I would call Minnesota who needs a LT bad and say Diggs for Trent straight up.



Or I would call Cleveland who also needs LT and say Trent for Landry straight up.



If you aren't getting a pro bowl type player in return, keep him.. Eventually he will show up[/QUOTE]This made me think of a Champ/Portis type trade. My question is where does DS allegiance fall, I would think he would consider letting Allen go before Williams unlike Bailey.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225980]This made me think of a Champ/Portis type trade. My question is where does DS allegiance fall, I would think he would consider letting Allen go before Williams unlike Bailey.

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Yep exactly like that scenario, if this team really lets TW go for a fucking 3rd rd pick or even a 3rd and a 5th, I'd be HIGHLY pissed off. He's a top 3 LT in football which is the 2nd most important position on the field. Penn could be a good 1 year band-aid. Adding Diggs would be my #1 choice, that fixes WR1 for a while.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1225977]Problem is, what are the skins getting in return? They won't just dump him for a 3rd rd pick.

I would call Minnesota who needs a LT bad and say Diggs for Trent straight up.

Or I would call Cleveland who also needs LT and say Trent for Landry straight up.

If you aren't getting a pro bowl type player in return, keep him.. Eventually he will show up[/quote]

Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it, but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225982]Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it, but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1.[/quote]

Same here, just wait it out. He will lose money once games roll around. If his stance is truly "Get rid of the medical staff or else" than I highly doubt he will really sit the entire season. I'm sure he is working out daily as well.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1225983]Same here, just wait it out. He will lose money once games roll around. If his stance is truly "Get rid of the medical staff or else" than I highly doubt he will really sit the entire season. I'm sure he is working out daily as well.[/QUOTE]If the staff he wants gone is anyone other then BA they should already be gone

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[quote=Schneed10;1225982]Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

[B]If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it, but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1[/B].[/quote]

This is where I am

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Reading between the lines a bit...

Penn said he talked with Trent and wanted to go someplace where he had a chance to start. Penn also said that he and Trent talked a bit about the swing role, and Penn said he'd be comfortable doing that if the team needed.

It tells me, from that conversation, that Trent's preference is definitely to get out of Washington but at the same time he knows he can't control it, and that he might be forced to come back week 1 if he's not traded, moving Penn to swing tackle.

I think it's a little window into the way Trent's thinking. The team has more leverage than it first seemed, now that Penn is in house. I think Trent acknowledges that he will play rather than give up $11M in game checks, even though he'd prefer the staff be canned or a trade.

If Bruce stares him down, he'll come back to play for us. But I don't think he'd consider resigning here and you wonder how much of an issue he becomes over the course of the next two years. There is some sense in taking a trade if the offer is good enough.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225986]Reading between the lines a bit...

Penn said he talked with Trent and wanted to go someplace where he had a chance to start. Penn also said that he and Trent talked a bit about the swing role, and Penn said he'd be comfortable doing that if the team needed.

It tells me, from that conversation, that Trent's preference is definitely to get out of Washington but at the same time he knows he can't control it, and that he might be forced to come back week 1 if he's not traded, moving Penn to swing tackle.

I think it's a little window into the way Trent's thinking. The team has more leverage than it first seemed, now that Penn is in house. I think Trent acknowledges that he will play rather than give up $11M in game checks, even though he'd prefer the staff be canned or a trade.

[B]If Bruce stares him down, he'll come back to play for us. But I don't think he'd consider resigning here and you wonder how much of an issue he becomes over the course of the next two years. There is some sense in taking a trade if the offer is good enough.[/quote][/B]

Honestly his contract has 2 years left right? By then he'll be 33-34. Most LTs dont last that long after 34.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225982]Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

[B]If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it,[/B] but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1.[/quote]

For the reason you mentioned, of age and missing 1/4 of the games the last 3 years I doubt an offer of a 1st would happen. I honestly think you are looking at a second at best. If he was 25 and never missed a start with his ability you could probably get a pair of 1's for him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225986]
If Bruce stares him down, he'll come back to play for us. But I don't think he'd consider resigning here and you wonder how much of an issue he becomes over the course of the next two years. There is some sense in taking a trade if the offer is good enough.[/quote]

This is a nightmare but the correct approach.

If Bruce wants to hold Trent hostage with this medical staff, Trent will get a second and third opinion on every injury and miss significant game time trying to keep himself healthy for when he is a free agent. If Trent is traded, we free up $23m over the next 2 years that we can use to resign Scherff(If he wants to stay).

Trent at 33 will still be a top 5 LT in the league and probably play for 4-5 additional years. TW is a freak athlete and in great shape for his size. He will be able to play a long time like Jackie Slater and Bruce Mathews.

It's a god damn shame it's come to this.

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Well said jamf. At some point Dan Snyder needs to make Bruce Allen wear the hat for this. Allen has been shrewd at making sure we don't get into cap trouble but he's responsible for alienating Cousins and and he's responsible for this bullshit with Trent.

On one hand I cringe at bringing up Cousins because I prefer to move on, but if you're evaluating the performance of the team president you have to look back at what happened and what could have been, if handled differently.

Allen fails through that lens in so many ways.

Let's see what happens with Trent. Right now I'm so fixated on what the offense will look like in week 1 I can barely think about anything else. At the end of the season when we're 7-9 again I'll break out the torches and pitchforks for Allen.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/trent-williamss-relationship-with-redskins-is-fractured-and-theres-no-going-back/2019/08/01/6b8d6372-b400-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html[/url]

This is the most detailed article I've seen written by an actual journalist on the matter.

The article suggests that waiting him out might not be fruitful.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1225998][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/trent-williamss-relationship-with-redskins-is-fractured-and-theres-no-going-back/2019/08/01/6b8d6372-b400-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html[/url]

This is the most detailed article I've seen written by an actual journalist on the matter.

The article suggests that waiting him out might not be fruitful.

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Outstanding piece of writing and this now seems like more than just JLC's typical bullshit reporting. Brewer has independently confirmed his own sources.

Fire Bruce today and trade Trent. Fuck our collective lives.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1225999]Outstanding piece of writing and this now seems like more than just JLC's typical bullshit reporting. Brewer has independently confirmed his own sources.



Fire Bruce today and trade Trent. Fuck our collective lives.[/QUOTE]Agree.

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Sheehan endorsed the Brewer article on the podcast...this isn't good folks.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1225998][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/trent-williamss-relationship-with-redskins-is-fractured-and-theres-no-going-back/2019/08/01/6b8d6372-b400-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html[/url]

This is the most detailed article I've seen written by an actual journalist on the matter.

The article suggests that waiting him out might not be fruitful.

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I will not go to Wapo without an ad blocker on. Is their another source for that article?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1226008]I will not go to Wapo without an ad blocker on. Is their another source for that article?[/quote]

Are you using ad blocker extension? If so, you should switch to Brave browser - I'm able to get on washington post website fine on Brave browser although I get same limited number of articles warning.

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[quote=GridIron26;1226009]Are you using ad blocker extension? If so, you should switch to Brave browser - I'm able to get on washington post website fine on Brave browser although I get same limited number of articles warning.[/quote]

Can someone summarize the article?

Thank You in Advance

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[quote=GridIron26;1226009]Are you using ad blocker extension? If so, you should switch to Brave browser - I'm able to get on washington post website fine on Brave browser although I get same limited number of articles warning.[/quote]

Thanks I will try that. I do not mind a reasonable amount of ads, but I detest them coming from the Washington Post and the like that pollute the sports page with their politics.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1226011]Can someone summarize the article?

Thank You in Advance[/quote]

the article makes it seem like it’s a combination of things going back to the drafting of a tackle( Christian) to playing hurt to help team to the medical issue..?it sounds like he wants out!!

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The Redskins should fire Allen, and then go to Trent and say, "Hey man, we're sorry. But we're taking important steps in the right direction. This is the second cancer in your life that has been expunged."

I really hope they can repair things. I think he really is the cornerstone of this team. And he's been a warrior for us for so long. I'd hate to see him leave. Hate it.

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[quote=calia;1226014]The Redskins should fire Allen, and then go to Trent and say, "Hey man, we're sorry. But we're taking important steps in the right direction. This is the second cancer in your life that has been expunged."

I really hope they can repair things. I think he really is the cornerstone of this team. And he's been a warrior for us for so long. I'd hate to see him leave. Hate it.[/quote]

I'm thinking exactly same thing.. Losing Williams will be huge disappointment for me, even a lot more than the Cousins situation.

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Firing Allen will only do so much.

Check out this comment from [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/09/warren_sapp_breaks_down_bruce.html"]Warren Sapp.[/URL]
[quote]"You know, Bruce Allen is not a mover and shaker," Sapp said. "Bruce Allen is [there to] play golf, go to the corporate meetings, talk about the old times with his father, rally up the suite holders. Somebody else is actually making the personnel decisions....That's my take on it. That's the Bruce Allen I know."[/quote]

I suspect Dan is playing fantasy football with the roster.
Bruce is there to run interference for Dan and to get the land for the stadium inside the beltway.

Dan is having too much fun going 7-9 to change his ways.

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I think Sapp's right in that Bruce isn't making the decisions but I do think the draft board is coming from Kyle Smith, not Dan Snyder. But Bruce will definitely take credit for it when it goes well and point the finger at McCloughan or whoever he needs to when it doesn't go well. That much Sapp is right about.

Seriously, fire Bruce and go to Trent with a mea culpa. Here's a couple extra million for your trouble big guy. We're sorry. We're firing those who did you wrong and hiring someone who can handle business like a grown up.

If we trade Trent for a shitty return I think my head will explode. #FireBruceAllen

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Me if we trade Trent for a ham sandwich

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[quote=Schneed10;1226018]Me if we trade Trent for a ham sandwich

[YT]NWsgBqNuVEk[/YT][/quote]

These men are obviously training to become Redskins fans.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1226019]These men are obviously training to become Redskins fans.[/quote]

You don't remember doing this as a kid? I thought it was a prerequisite to becoming a fan.

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What will it take to get Bruce Allen fired?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1225974]If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.[/QUOTE]



another Bruce “The Bozo” Allen debacle. Don’t worry. Bruce has everything under control.


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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1226024]What will it take to get Bruce Allen fired?[/QUOTE]The Trent situation is the closest we've come to seeing his firing.

Trent is beloved. He is elite, plays through severe injuries, and is a team and fan favorite.

If Allen is perceived to have blown this situation, it is a real possibility.

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God I was still very confident the past few days but this is beginning to get scary...

Any news on Donald Penn's contract ? We all thought that'd be very indicative of our FO's plan...

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1225998][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/trent-williamss-relationship-with-redskins-is-fractured-and-theres-no-going-back/2019/08/01/6b8d6372-b400-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html[/url]

This is the most detailed article I've seen written by an actual journalist on the matter.

The article suggests that waiting him out might not be fruitful.

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Ya know, after reading that article it makes you realize just how loyal he’s been to the organization, and the type of leader he’s been. If we lose our cornerstone player, the silver lining is this MIGHT be the thing that finally get Bruce Allen fired. That piece of shit needs to go ASAP.


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[quote=FrenchSkin;1226029]God I was still very confident the past few days but this is beginning to get scary...

Any news on Donald Penn's contract ? We all thought that'd be very indicative of our FO's plan...[/quote]

I’ve been searching and still see nothing reported. Neither Spotrac or Overthecap have it either. I agree this will tell us a lot.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1226031]I’ve been searching and still see nothing reported. Neither Spotrac or Overthecap have it either. I agree this will tell us a lot.[/QUOTE]



Maybe that’s why they’re keeping it quiet. Bozo Bruce doesn’t want people knowing how bad this really is.


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[url]https://twitter.com/P_ConnerJr/status/1156911221528043521?s=09[/url]

If this is true fuck us. Trent deserves to go somewhere better.

Also I have little to no hope this will be the final straw for Bruce. There's always a scapegoat to be sacrificed before it reaches Bruce.

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We will fuck this up