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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1256994]Didn't Carolinas owner get canned while RR was coach. Not sure how functional they were. Maybe better then Snyders Skins but they had issues. Let's see how RR does. So far i am good with the direction and pace the organization has taken.

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He was forced to sell because of sexual misconduct and racial comments. It was more of a personal thing with him than an organization-wide problem like WFT had. I hope RR works out but coaches with better resumes and Super Bowl wins haven't had success working for DS so I'm not holding out much hope for RR.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240847]May be a bit premature but...

Former #Panthers coach Ron Rivera has emerged as a top coaching candidate & has told people he expects a deal to come together quickly, sources say. It could even be 24 hours after Week 17 ends. The #Redskins have interest, tho other teams without openings yet are also circling.

Also from Jay Glazer " Ron Rivera will sign a deal with Washington tonight to make him the teams next HC"


Winning record ✅
Leader ✅
Playoffs & SB experience ✅
Defensive focus 😏[/quote]


All of these have already come to reality.

I am a HUGE Rivera guy and I'm all in on this process. Dude is a winner and leader. Huge hire for this organization

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It's still too early but yes so far, it looks like to be an amazing hire by Snyder..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1259223]All of these have already come to reality.

I am a HUGE Rivera guy and I'm all in on this process. [B]Dude is a winner and leader. [/B]Huge hire for this organization[/quote]

After yesterday you have to also add quiter.

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I wasn’t too happy with several aspects of the Cardinals game by Rivera.
1. We ended the game with 3 timeouts. Rivera said he did it to reduce injuries, essentially in a game we were outplayed and lost. If Dallas had done the same thing, they wouldn’t have WON their game with an on-side kick and a FG! Fight until the end and make the Cardinals earn their victory.
Smacked of Gruden and Rivera is thinking too much long-term and not building a reputation as a wild eyed pirate who will fight to the last minute.

2. Same with kicking a FG when we were behind 20-0. He said he wanted to give the team 3 points in case that was our only score. Go for it on fourth down and get 7 points! BE RIVERBOAT RIVERA!

3. Why aren’t they trying out FA this week? Are we happy with how Aptke or Christian or the TE are playing? Are they going to keep them all season if they continue to suck?

I really like Rivera and his character and his being the high honor type person after 2 decades of Snyder’s sludge. But I think he has already written off this season as a practice and player tryout. There are too many holes to fix in one years draft. Why aren’t they bringing in Roberts or some other top WR FA to see if we can get a legitimate #2 WR NOW?

Bring in some one-year OL guys to see if we can get a replacement for Christian or Martin? Those guys, unless they get a helluva lot better NOW, won’t be on this team next year. See what FA are out there and get a diamond-in-the-rough NOW!


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Interesting article about the teams coaching staff.
[url]https://deadspin.com/dwayne-haskins-sacrificed-for-nfl-nepotism-of-scott-tur-1845339489[/url]

I mentioned in the offseason that I didn't like that Rivera and DelRio had their kids on the coaching staff. Add Turner and Zampese to the mix and you have a coaching staff of privileged kids that never earned shit in their lives.

DH was improving with Kevin O'Connell. Rivera made a mistaking going with Turner over O'Connel as OC.

If the team doesn't get their shit together, I would be willing to force Rivera out at the end of the year.

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[quote=jamf;1262319]Interesting article about the teams coaching staff.
[url]https://deadspin.com/dwayne-haskins-sacrificed-for-nfl-nepotism-of-scott-tur-1845339489[/url]

I mentioned in the offseason that I didn't like that Rivera and DelRio had their kids on the coaching staff. Add Turner and Zampese to the mix and you have a coaching staff of privileged kids that never earned shit in their lives.

DH was improving with Kevin O'Connell. Rivera made a mistaking going with Turner over O'Connel as OC.

If the team doesn't get their shit together, I would be willing to force Rivera out at the end of the year.[/quote]

KOC should've been named HC. That would have been the exciting choice.

But I like Ron and am calling this year a wash. Gonna reserve judgment on him until next year. With COVID, getting cancer, having a shitty roster, etc., the odds were stacked against him 100%.

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Team needs a lot more talent on offense before bitching about it. The front office needs to do a better job in pursuing it.

They disregarded TE, missed on some Oline picks so far, disregard WR position. Of course QB has been a disaster...Haskins, Alex Smith...

Not gonna bash it, build around the running game. Oline, TE...of course get a competent QB

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[quote=Warthog;1256830]Rivera has a very good record and went to the SB. It remains to see how he will do here in Washington but I am optimistic.

The BIGGEST change that he has already been made was to FORCE owner Dan Snyder to make many concessions before Rivera would even be INTERVIEWED. Snyder had to give up his prior meddling in the team’s affairs, any inputs into personnel decision-making and using a proxy GM like Allen and Cerrato to do his bidding regarding football operations. All that is gone. I doubt any future HC will want anything less from Snyder.

The name change issue and the allegations of sexual harassment within the organization have made Snyder even more dependent on Rivera to fix the the many, many problems of this franchise. Snyder needs Rivera MUCH MORE than the reverse.

If Rivera is successful as the HC, it will increase his power in the organization even more. Dan Snyder needs either to sell the team or just STFU and let NFL-savvy people like Rivera to run ALL the operations there. Everything Snyder has touched in his 20-year tenure as owner has gone to absolute shitte. He’s lucky to get a real achiever like Rivera onboard. This team can only go up with Rivera. Not only because he’s a real true-believer in a good football culture, but also because Snyder can not continue to hurt the team with his meddlesome and harmful interference in the team’s personnel decisions or daily operations.


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The narrative that RR has a very good record just isn't true. In 9 years as Carolina HC he had 3 winning seasons. Those three winning seasons have high win totals and a SB appearance but the majority of his HC career isn't successful.

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[quote=irish;1262398]The narrative that RR has a very good record just isn't true. In 9 years as Carolina HC he had 3 winning seasons. Those three winning seasons have high win totals and a SB appearance but the majority of his HC career isn't successful.[/quote]

He was the best we could get but that doesn't mean he will come in and start winning games. I think we need to give him 3 full years to judge but yeah overall he's just an average HC

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We're starting to learn a few things about Ron. #1 Not a good clock manager, likes to leave timeouts in his pocket. #2 Not a great communicator with the media, he's all over the place at times. To be fair on this one I'm not sure how much of that is due to him being ill, very well could explain a lot. Anyone who knows someone that goes through chemo knows that chemo brain or chemo fog is a very real thing.

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[quote=MTK;1262404]We're starting to learn a few things about Ron. #1 Not a good clock manager, likes to leave timeouts in his pocket. #2 Not a great communicator with the media, he's all over the place at times. To be fair on this one I'm not sure how much of that is due to him being ill, very well could explain a lot. Anyone who knows someone that goes through chemo knows that chemo brain or chemo fog is a very real thing.[/quote]

The clock stuff was really odd since he preached "We are in this thing" the media stuff is what it is, he does the normal coach talk "We just have to get better" says it every week but the Alex Smith thing was really odd, he let him finish the game when Allen was cleared to come back in at HT... Then starts Allen this week

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Rivera didn’t want to put Kyle Allen back in after he was cleared because he didn’t want Allen to take another shot.
— JP Finlay (@JPFinlayNBCS) October 11, 2020

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I can understand Ron not wanting to send Kyle Allen back in with an arm injury to protect him, even if he was cleared to go back.

I think the head scratch is that in doing so, youre not "protecting" Alex Smith. I guess the thinking is, the second Alex Smith takes a live snap his prior injury is in the past. Kyle Allen had an injury in the present. If he didnt think it was safe to send Alex Smith back out in the second half .. then he shouldnt/wouldnt have made Alex the active #2 on Sunday and wouldnt send Alex Smith out in the first half.

Alex Smith needs to play with no memory of his prior injury. If Alex and medical staff say he is a full go, Ron is going to treat him as if he is a full go.

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[quote=MTK;1262404]We're starting to learn a few things about Ron. #1 Not a good clock manager, likes to leave timeouts in his pocket. #2 Not a great communicator with the media, he's all over the place at times. To be fair on this one I'm not sure how much of that is due to him being ill, very well could explain a lot. Anyone who knows someone that goes through chemo knows that chemo brain or chemo fog is a very real thing.[/quote]

Rick Snyder was on the Sports Junkies talking about how RR might not be used to the aggressive/hostile media in DC and that's why he seems all over the place. I think there is some credence to that argument.

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[quote=irish;1262424]Rick Snyder was on the Sports Junkies talking about how RR might not be used to the aggressive/hostile media in DC and that's why he seems all over the place. I think there is some credence to that argument.[/quote]

Yeah maybe, but he also played in Chicago. He should know how to handle the media.

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Perspective maybe? No coach coming in here, after BA's reign in particular, was going to turn the team around in one offseason. My expectation was it would be as bad as last year (or worse) before it got better. And it is.

In Ron's defence, he may well have sat there after Haskins half time speech and the 2nd half of the Eagles game and said to himself "Well Dwayne might not be so bad after all. Lets give him a couple more games and see if he can translate that half time and 2nd half into something sustainable." Well no he couldn't, its almost like Haskins said "that's my contribution for this year, its up to everyone else to step up now.". So Ron's left thinking that he has to rebuild from the ground up, but after 4 weeks the East is wide open so why not a least show the semblance of effort to succeed. If it all goes to pot, he's no worse off than the start of the season when there were no expectations.

We're not gong to be able to say if RR is a success this year. Year 2 tells us if his rebuilding plan is headed in the right direction (right players, right culture on training field and in games etc.) then year 3 if the results start to show.

I will say he needs to get a GM in place soon though. Can't help thinking trying to juggle everything AND cancer is too much for him.

[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nfl-teams-are-hiring-and-firing-coaches-more-quickly-the-results-are-not-great/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1262404]We're starting to learn a few things about Ron. #1 Not a good clock manager, likes to leave timeouts in his pocket. #2 Not a great communicator with the media, he's all over the place at times. To be fair on this one I'm not sure how much of that is due to him being ill, very well could explain a lot. [B]Anyone who knows someone that goes through chemo knows that chemo brain or chemo fog is a very real thing.[/B][/quote]

Exactly! I have been saying it on here guy needs to take a knee and let Jack D handle this until RR is better and cancer free.

Imagine trying to be a NFL HC with the worst hangover you ever had 1000x stronger, its impossible.

RR take a knee get health and come back when you are ready, this dumpster fire is going burn for awhile with or without you.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1262412]Rivera didn’t want to put Kyle Allen back in after he was cleared because he didn’t want Allen to take another shot.
— JP Finlay (@JPFinlayNBCS) October 11, 2020

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I can understand Ron not wanting to send Kyle Allen back in with an arm injury to protect him, even if he was cleared to go back.

I think the head scratch is that in doing so, youre not "protecting" Alex Smith. I guess the thinking is, the second Alex Smith takes a live snap his prior injury is in the past. Kyle Allen had an injury in the present. If he didnt think it was safe to send Alex Smith back out in the second half .. then he shouldnt/wouldnt have made Alex the active #2 on Sunday and wouldnt send Alex Smith out in the first half.

Alex Smith needs to play with no memory of his prior injury. If Alex and medical staff say he is a full go, Ron is going to treat him as if he is a full go.[/QUOTE]

This. Smith has to be mentally strong enough, not just to get through all that healing, but also to go out in front of a DL that don't care if he's on the comeback or not and want to tear him a new one (within the confines of the rules of course). Didn't matter if it was Aaron Donald or some other guy riding his back, he was going to get pressured, hit and sacked if he played anything more than a symbolic snap again, especially behind this OL. If he wasn't up to it, he should have retired, no matter how romantic the idea of a comeback is.

Well he was up to it, but only physically. I'm not sure he was mentally ready, and the question now is will he ever be. But RR had to put him in to test where he is, if only to show him he should retire (which I think he will do at the end of this season).

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[quote=MTK;1262426]Yeah maybe, but he also played in Chicago. He should know how to handle the media.[/quote]

HC and a player are two totally different things media-wise but I agree that he should be better with the media.

I suspect he's used to the media being more of a cheerleader than a critic.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1262432]This. Smith has to be mentally strong enough, not just to get through all that healing, but also to go out in front of a DL that don't care if he's on the comeback or not and want to tear him a new one (within the confines of the rules of course). Didn't matter if it was Aaron Donald or some other guy riding his back, he was going to get pressured, hit and sacked if he played anything more than a symbolic snap again, especially behind this OL. If he wasn't up to it, he should have retired, no matter how romantic the idea of a comeback is.

Well he was up to it, but only physically. I'm not sure he was mentally ready, and the question now is will he ever be. But RR had to put him in to test where he is, if only to show him he should retire (which I think he will do at the end of this season).[/quote]

That's a great post, but i don't get a "retirement" vibe when i think about Alex coming into the game. He didn't retire despite everything he went through, even though that would have been infinitely easier. Like he said in his documentary, he wanted to know if he could make it back on the field again in an actual game. He didn't want to wonder about it the rest of his life, he wanted to know if he could do it again.

He survived one of the most, if not the most terrifying defensive players in the NFL, Aaron Donald who has absolutely been a buzzsaw this year, tearing through 2 and sometimes 3 players to attack his prey. The Rams pass rush was nightmarish, and Alex Smith took a terrible beating in his first game back. BUT - he survived it with no injury. In his mind at least, he has to feel / know that he is capable of surviving an NFL game. And when he basically carried Aaron Donald on his back for a few steps, I think he knew he was up to the task of being back in the NFL.

It is totally understandable that he looked rusty playing in his first game in almost 700 days. I am almost sure that with more reps in practice now, and further working with the 1st team offense, he will get his mojo back. He is 36, not young, but not a dinosaur. He should have several good years left in the NFL if he doesn't suffer anymore injuries.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1262435]That's a great post, but i don't get a "retirement" vibe when i think about Alex coming into the game. He didn't retire despite everything he went through, even though that would have been infinitely easier. Like he said in his documentary, he wanted to know if he could make it back on the field again in an actual game. He didn't want to wonder about it the rest of his life, he wanted to know if he could do it again.

He survived one of the most, if not the most terrifying defensive players in the NFL, Aaron Donald who has absolutely been a buzzsaw this year, tearing through 2 and sometimes 3 players to attack his prey. The Rams pass rush was nightmarish, and Alex Smith took a terrible beating in his first game back. BUT - he survived it with no injury. In his mind at least, he has to feel / know that he is capable of surviving an NFL game. And when he basically carried Aaron Donald on his back for a few steps, I think he knew he was up to the task of being back in the NFL.

It is totally understandable that he looked rusty playing in his first game in almost 700 days. I am almost sure that with more reps in practice now, and further working with the 1st team offense, he will get his mojo back. He is 36, not young, but not a dinosaur. He should have several good years left in the NFL if he doesn't suffer anymore injuries.[/quote]

Maybe but can he compete for a starting gig? Is he happy being a #2? Is he better for missing 2 years wear and tear (aside from his leg!) or is he going to struggle to shrug off the rust? He can still play, but so can Haskins, or Trubisky or Rosen etc. and none of them appear to be franchise material. Hence I think he'll get to the end of the season, his wife will point out to him he has nothing more to prove but has to be there for his kids etc. and he'll retire. Happy to be proven wrong if he can still be a #1 but I just don't see it.

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[quote=mredskins;1262431]Exactly! I have been saying it on here guy needs to take a knee and let Jack D handle this until RR is better and cancer free.

Imagine trying to be a NFL HC with the worst hangover you ever had 1000x stronger, its impossible.

RR take a knee get health and come back when you are ready, this dumpster fire is going burn for awhile with or without you.[/quote]

Cancer treatment is no joke. It will wear you out. I understand he wants to continue coaching, but someone needs to step in. He needs to focus on his health. Overworking and stressing himself will only prolong the recovery time. It maybe next spring before his thinking is truly clear.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1262464]Maybe but can he compete for a starting gig? Is he happy being a #2? Is he better for missing 2 years wear and tear (aside from his leg!) or is he going to struggle to shrug off the rust? He can still play, but so can Haskins, or Trubisky or Rosen etc. and none of them appear to be franchise material. Hence I think he'll get to the end of the season, his wife will point out to him he has nothing more to prove but has to be there for his kids etc. and he'll retire. Happy to be proven wrong if he can still be a #1 but I just don't see it.[/quote]

I think we should see him in a few more games to be more sure, but I feel Alex Smith can definitely be a starter in this league, IMO, if nothing else be signed somewhere to compete for a starting job. If we let him go after this season, i guarantee you there would be interest out there for him.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1262530]I think we should see him in a few more games to be more sure, but I feel Alex Smith can definitely be a starter in this league, IMO, if nothing else be signed somewhere to compete for a starting job. If we let him go after this season, i guarantee you there would be interest out there for him.[/quote]

I guess. If he's fit and breakthrough enough to compete then someone will kick the tyres (yeah Brit spelling, I insist :)).

Is he still under contract for 2021 or an FA? If he can prove he's still got it between now and spring, then maybe worth keeping a vet cover, but won't Allen be cheaper?

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I think we are seeing that Rivera may not be the perfect savior for this franchise. BUT, he’s good enough and will change the loser mentality of this franchise - NEXT YEAR.

Of course, the best thing to help this team is when Snyder will be forced to sell the team in 2021. Then they’ll be able to pick a team name. The incomparable asset that Rivera has is his ability to create a team without interference from Snyder OR his lackey GM such as Cerrato or Allen.

To be successful, Rivera needs to first beat his cancer. Hopefully, Snyder will be forced to sell or neutered as the owner as far a Rivera is concerned. The team needs a name to rally behind. As the players improve, so will the coaching. I’m surprised at the defense, but it shows how bad personnel decisions can submarine a team, even with good coaching.

I think Rivera will draft an excellent QB to build this team around. The OL will get high draft picks and FA next year. Another very good or better WR will help McLaurin. They’ll use bucks to get a TE to help the rookie QB.

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7 weeks in and the team is already starting to see [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/morgan-moses-says-feeling-washington-locker-room-different-without-past"]some differences in the culture[/URL]. This is a great progress despite the losing season, I think this says a lot about Rivera's approaches and strategies. Some of us are not generally happy with how Rivera has handled some situations but apparently it does not matter to the players, this matters the most.

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Ron's got the team holding together and fighting, so that's a big tribute to him.

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30197801/washington-coach-ron-rivera-cheered-hospital-cancer-treatments-finish"]Washington coach Ron Rivera cheered at hospital as cancer treatments finish[/URL]

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I've disagreed with Ron a lot so far. But still believe he is 100% the right man for the job for our team. Building a culture isn't easy.

And obviously he is one tough SOB. Awesome that he is done with treatment. Does that mean he's negative now or still has to be tested again?

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RR has been all over the damn place. But what I do like is he is committed to playing mostly young players. He offered Reid a practice squad spot.. lol. If this was any past regime Reid would have been signed and put in as a starter asap... a la Clinton Dix. Let's see how Everett and Curl hold up.

Also he cut AP which was a great move IMO. No need to have a old RB on a rebuilding team. #24 and #41 have been more than good enough if you block for them.